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Old Jun 13, 2007 | 11:43 AM
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High Output Alternators - Question About wiring

Anyone running a 100, 120 or 140 Amp alternator? If so, did you have to run any heavier gauge wire (10 gauge) off the alternator's post in order for the electrical system in your Toyota to handle and utilize the higher amps? The guy I bought the alternator off of said he had to use 10 Gauge wire to get the full 140 Amps. How much validity is in that statement?

I just put in a 140 Amp alternator I bought used from a guy (said the alternator was only 1 year old) and the brushes look great, however the VOLT gauge on my SR5 cluster shows the volts just above the line on the middle of the gauge.

I took a meter and tested the post on the alternator (read 12.33 Volts) and the battery (showed 12.42 volts), so I know the battery is getting a charge from the alternator.

Is there any tech sheets out there oon the web or that you may have that addresses upgrading the alternator?

I do know one thig for sure, since upgrading the steering to IFS bax, it's a ROYAL PITA to get the alternator out of the truck. I have factory Power Steering, so that kept it from coming out topside. I ended up having to unbolt the radiator and moving it over to make room to squeeze the alternator out!

TIA!

John

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Old Jun 13, 2007 | 12:10 PM
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when running shouldnt it be putting out closer to 14 volts? when my alt quit working my volt gauge was in the middle till my truck died. if you would ask me the alt is wither not wired up correctly or it is bad. and yes upgrading your wiring will give you more charging power. i believe its called the big 3 upgrade, do a search for it
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Old Jun 13, 2007 | 12:15 PM
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I disconnected the OEM charge cable and installed a 1/0 welding cable
-- alt to battery
-- battery to starter
-- engine block ground to batt neg
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Old Jun 13, 2007 | 12:46 PM
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Originally Posted by ewong
I disconnected the OEM charge cable and installed a 1/0 welding cable
-- alt to battery
-- battery to starter
-- engine block ground to batt neg
I think I found a good answer to the charge wire issue:

http://www.powermastermotorsports.com/charge_wires.html

Though I don't think it's a PM alt, I think it's the same regardless.

Can you completely bypass the stock wiring as you stated ewong? Won't this cause the SR5 volt gauge not to work?

John
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Old Jun 13, 2007 | 01:44 PM
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Thanks Notanymore - I did a search and got that information! It's much appreciated! Perhaps we should add this topic to the FAQ's!

John
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Old Jun 13, 2007 | 02:08 PM
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I am running a 160 amp in my rig. I have the stock harness in place, then an 8 gauge running from the external post directly to the battery.
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Old Jun 13, 2007 | 03:40 PM
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Originally Posted by WATRD
I am running a 160 amp in my rig. I have the stock harness in place, then an 8 gauge running from the external post directly to the battery.
Does your Volt gauge read the same with the HO Alt as it did with the stock alt?

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Old Jun 13, 2007 | 03:48 PM
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Originally Posted by LUV24BY
Does your Volt gauge read the same with the HO Alt as it did with the stock alt?

John
I won't be much help there. My Tacoma has only an idiot light, no volt gauge.

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Old Jun 13, 2007 | 04:12 PM
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Originally Posted by LUV24BY
Thanks Notanymore - I did a search and got that information! It's much appreciated! Perhaps we should add this topic to the FAQ's!

John

It sounds like you did the voltage test wrong. My stock alt. runs 15-16 volts running.

Plus the voltage you posted shows the battery having more volts than the alt. I don't think an alt can charge a battery unless it's producing more voltage than the battery.

And running heavier gauge wire is ALWAYS a good idea when your talking about transfering power heh. I've got 4 gauge wiring from my battery to starter, ground, and soon my alt.
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Old Jun 13, 2007 | 04:35 PM
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I got a 150A alternator from these guys:
http://www.mralternator.com/main.shtml

I retained the factory wiring, but added an aux wiring kit from Summit. I believe it was a 2 or 4 gauge wire with inline fuse. This heavy gauge wire runs from the alt to the positive battery post. You can take a look at it on the next run we do if you like, although I ma sure you'd like to get this figured out sooner.

The Summit part number was SUM-890025-1 and their description "ALT WIRE KIT 80-150 AMP". I can no longer find it on their website, but if you call they might be able to help you out. It was $19.95 on 12/05.

You of course can get a heavy gauge wire from NAPA or local welding supply by the foot. You'll have to figure out your inline fuse holder on your own if you go that way.
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Old Jun 13, 2007 | 06:11 PM
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Originally Posted by EvaMonky
It sounds like you did the voltage test wrong. My stock alt. runs 15-16 volts running.

Plus the voltage you posted shows the battery having more volts than the alt. I don't think an alt can charge a battery unless it's producing more voltage than the battery.

And running heavier gauge wire is ALWAYS a good idea when your talking about transfering power heh. I've got 4 gauge wiring from my battery to starter, ground, and soon my alt.
It was late when I checked this stuff. I don't recall which was which honestly! :rolleyes:

I will check again tonight and re-post the #'s!
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Old Jun 13, 2007 | 06:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Elvota
I got a 150A alternator from these guys:
http://www.mralternator.com/main.shtml

I retained the factory wiring, but added an aux wiring kit from Summit. I believe it was a 2 or 4 gauge wire with inline fuse. This heavy gauge wire runs from the alt to the positive battery post. You can take a look at it on the next run we do if you like, although I ma sure you'd like to get this figured out sooner.

The Summit part number was SUM-890025-1 and their description "ALT WIRE KIT 80-150 AMP". I can no longer find it on their website, but if you call they might be able to help you out. It was $19.95 on 12/05.

You of course can get a heavy gauge wire from NAPA or local welding supply by the foot. You'll have to figure out your inline fuse holder on your own if you go that way.
Yeah, even if I get it figured out Elvota - I would still like to see your setup on how you got things run. Did you just run a looped connector to the bolt on the positive cable?

John
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Old Jun 13, 2007 | 06:47 PM
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I am a bit confused on "looped connector"... but my Summit wire had a factory crimped end for the bolt to pass through.
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Old Jun 13, 2007 | 07:03 PM
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Yeah, I have that tendancy to confuse people!

Looped Connector = Eyelet connector with the barrel on the end to crimp.

I tested the ALT, it appears to be just holding. It's 12.25 @ the post of the ALT and 12.46 @ the terminal on the battery. Under load (best i can do, lights on, stereo on and at 2500RPM) the ALT meters 12.14 and 12.31 @ the battery.

John
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Old Jun 13, 2007 | 07:06 PM
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Originally Posted by LUV24BY
Looped Connector = Eyelet connector with the barrel on the end to crimp.
Actually... that's more than likely the correct term... I just wasn't familiar with it. And that is exactly what I have.
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Old Jun 14, 2007 | 08:56 AM
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Originally Posted by Elvota
Actually... that's more than likely the correct term... I just wasn't familiar with it. And that is exactly what I have.
Is it connected to the post on the battery or the bolt that tightens the terminal to the battery?

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Old Jun 14, 2007 | 08:59 AM
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Is it connected to the post on the battery or the bolt that tightens the terminal to the battery?

John
Bolt on the battery terminal, bolt on the alt.
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