Reidzap

Hey guys I just bought a 91 2.4td hilux surf, I was wondering if the starter motor off of a 4runner of the same gen fit on my surf?

bigt

i dont think it does.. the start on my surf looks to be such a pain to change i dont even wanna think about it!!!!

i think it would be a heavy duty diesel starter.. my surf even has 2 batterys

Reidzap

See now I went to toyodiy.com and cross referenced the starter and it said the same starter was used in 89 4runners. Anywase I bought one and was just wondering if it will work. It looks exactly the same as the stock one just a bit smaller. My surf had two batteries but now it has one batter and a kill switch on the other side lol

bigt

could you please post back and cofirm if this starter works for future ref...

i love using that diagram sight...

i just had my injection pump resealed so i reccomend you use a fuel conditioner! i have had my surf for 5 years

Reidzap

Lol yup I can! Hopefully someone else replies with a definite answer and maybe a part number if I'm lucky lol, my engine was rebuilt 70000 kms ago with a 3l head, everything top to bottom was done but ya I always put some conditioner In every new tank.

BUT PLEASE SOMEONE TELL ME IF THOS STARTER WORKS BEFORE I PAY SOMEONE TO DO THE SWAP AND IT DOESN'T WORK!!!!!

bigt

that website you posted should give you part numbers.. if they are the same i would say it works...

also in canada we had 2lt non electronic until 1985 so alot of times i get the parts from the 1985 at the local dealer

4runner4ever

I've owned and worked on lots of 2.4 diesels, as fas as I can remember the starters are totally different.
The diesel has a much larger motor plus it's mounted on the other side of the engine (compared to a 3VZE).
Just looked at some bellhousings to confirm that.
Maybe a 22R starter would fit, but youy're gone burn that starter, especially in winter when it's harder to start a diesel.

aviator

I would say if the part numbers are the same then the starters should be the same also... if you're over this side of the pond and looking for diesel parts check out a Hino dealer... Hino is Toyota's heavy truck division... you might also consult a Toyota fork lift dealer some of them were/are diesel powered and used the 2.4 diesel.

4runner long time no see buddy...

Reidzap

Thanks for the input guys, I guess the only thing I can do Is wait and see if it fits, I don't see why it wouldn't, and yes this starter is smaller but even if I got one for the diesel from over seas it will still be smaller no matter what. At least that's what I heard

Reidzap

ALright I guess the new starter cost is 1500 dollars from japan do I'm guessing the one I bought for it won't fit lol... Anywase the starter that is in it right now works most of the time but sometimes it just clicks once, would this be a starter issue or the solenoid issue?

bigt

just rebuild the starter that is in it.. could also be the brushes or contacts.. but once it out any starter or alternator / electric motor ship should be able to rebuild it

Reidzap

Everyone says its the contacts that need to be replaced, if only taking out the starter was that easy, you would think it would be with only two bolts lol but to bad one of the bolts is impossible to get off!!! I can get a socket on it but nothing else will fit lol not even the ratchet.

bigt

man i am feeling your pain..

my mechanic who has done my injection pump and my timing/water pump twice.. told me that he loves working on my car although its a bitch... but he wouldnt even attempt the starter... and he works on s kylines and lots of nicer rides... he said the one diesel line is in the way and there is no way the bolt is coming off...

im hoping i get many more trouble free years before i have a issue lol...
p.s i did the contacts in my suzuki truck starter and it was really easy..but any normal shop should be able to rebuild yours for id say 75-100 bucks tops.

aviator

try pm'ing toydoc he might be able to offer some advice on getting the bolt off though he's not very active here these days...

4runner4ever

I recall I used a 14/17 starter wrench. The curved model that can reach over the starter.
If the bolts were to tight (that wrench is quit short) I removed the 8 bolts from the crossmember, dropped the gearbox a bit so the engine tilted backwards and almost hit the firewall.
Next I used two extensions (about 3 ft in total !) plus a cardan joint. You now should have a little bit of room between body and bellhouse to reach the bolt.
It helps if you have someone guiding the cardan joint, or better hold it.
I don't recall ever needing to remove any other crap to get the starter out, but since I'm getting old i might have forgotten that bit.

Hope this make sense.