Going to try Linux

***Corey*** · 12-28-2005, 10:59 AM

On a spare PC my brother gave me a month back.
Read about Ubunto in the latest Maximum PC mag.
http://www.ubuntu.com/
They have both CD & DVD installs and live testing from the discs without intalling.
To get the DVD version, you have to install Bit Torrent, and I am not going to try that right now.

I will go for the Intel based Live CD setup here.
http://mirror.mcs.anl.gov/pub/ubuntu-iso/5.10/

I have never seen Linux on a PC before, so this will be very interesting to say the least.
It will never be on my main PC, just as an experiment on a spare box.

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arjan · 12-28-2005, 11:39 AM

I like playing around with linux. Make sure you enable the KDE desktop, but most distros use it as their primary desktop anyway nowadays. A very nice addition is openoffice as a office suite. I gave up on MS Office and use Openoffice for both windows and when I had linux installed.
You have to approach linux witha n open mind, and appreciate what millions of volonteers have contributed for free all over the world. It's quite amazing how it has matured over the last couple of years to a fairly complete desktop.
I also found it easiest to hook up all the things to your computer what you want it to recognize. At one point I added a printer and ran into some troubles to get it installed properly later. The admistrator (root) user had to add priveleges to the users to use the printer which wasn't organized automatically.
Those things are not a big deal when you gain better understanding how linux operates, but can throw a curve ball with frustrations to the beginner.
When setup detects your printers, usb devices,scanners, digital cameras, etc., it takes care of all that and they install usually properly from the bat.

I hope you will enjoy it and find a new challange.

mike_d · 12-28-2005, 01:02 PM

i just switched over to ubuntu (from gentoo) as my primary distro at home. the simple single cd installation is the easiest. this is a good distro to start with as almost everything "just works" out of the box. the standard desktop from ubuntu is gnome (not kde as arjan suggests to use). i'm much more a fan of gnome than kde, but my only advise it to try them both out and choose what works for you. everyone elses advise will just devolve into a holy war nitpicking about the differences between them.

***Corey*** · 12-28-2005, 01:16 PM

OK, a question.
I got the "Live" version, not the install one.

I want to boot up the old PC in the other room with the CD so I can see how Linux looks before actualy intalling it.

How do I burn this to a CD?
I have both Record Now, and Nero 6.
Do I have to tell Nero to make it a boot CD so it will put some system files on it first?
XP Pro is on the spare PC.

I know about changing the BIOS to look for a CD ROM drive first for the boot order.

I would try out the live CD on my machine, but I do not want to take a chance it will screw something up here.

arjan · 12-28-2005, 01:36 PM

Most of them you can get as an iso file. You can just simply burn those to cd with Nero. Just burn an image and when nero ask for an image (it first looks for nero images) change the extension to iso. When you burn an iso file and it came from a bootable cd, it will be automatically a bootable cd again. The bootable settings are contained in the iso file.
Looking again at your first post, I just realized you're looking at the iso file so you'll be fine.

arjan · 12-28-2005, 01:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mike_d

the standard desktop from ubuntu is gnome (not kde as arjan suggests to use). i'm much more a fan of gnome than kde, but my only advise it to try them both out and choose what works for you.

I have to admit that I haven't used gnome in a long time. I always found in the past the the KDE desktop was installed with the KDE office suite and a whole bunch of other handy KDE programs. At that time it just looked sharper, and it has more of a ms windows feel to it. I guess it feels more comfortable to start out with.
When I have some time, I'll try this distro also as I am curious what this one is like.

***Corey*** · 12-28-2005, 02:15 PM

No luck.
I used Record Now, and it is not bootable
Will try to record with Nero next.

As soon as I popped the disc in the PC though, a window came up with options to install Linux software such as Office and Firefox, and other stuff.

***Corey*** · 12-28-2005, 02:48 PM

It is alive

OK, Record It Now did work.

I did not use my brothers PC he gave to me, I am using my old PIII 500 that I leave hooked up all the time in the spare room except for when my son comes over, then he hooks up his in here.

I had to go into the BIOS again and tell it to boot from the CD ROM drive, not the F drive, even though they are the same.

In fact I am typing this from Linux with FireFox version 1.0.7.
I did not have to install anything, it is all running off of the CD ROM and some temp files I would imagine.

It even has the Office application loaded too, plus some stock games and other stuff.

It did not detect my old Creative ISA slot AWE 64 sound card though.
It may have if I had the Creative Live 5.1 in here.

But, for anyone wanting to see how Linux looks, this is most cool.
I may install it on another PC here at a later date.

It even detected my network and is online with my main PC and laptop in the other room.
Pretty cool.

Give it a shot if you have never seen Linux before, it is pretty cool.

arjan · 12-28-2005, 02:51 PM

Corey's got the bug

Pretty soon there will be a dedicated PC running linux 24/7.

***midiwall*** · 12-28-2005, 02:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Corey

Give it a shot if you have never seen Linux before, it is pretty cool.

Ummm... Just to be a purist...

What you're seeing isn't "what Linux looks like", it's what a desktop shell running on TOP of Linux looks like.

THIS is more of what "linux looks like":

arjan · 12-28-2005, 03:02 PM

Just like the 16 bit windows ran on top of DOS.

***Corey*** · 12-28-2005, 03:09 PM

Yeah, I know it is just a shell.
The Linux underneath is boring

Gotta have our GUIs.

OK, what if I do install this at a later date on the older PC which has two hard drives.
Will Ubunto see the other hard drive (D drive) even though it is fomatted in the NTFS system?

Reason being, it has several GB of MP3 on it, and I would still like to access them over the network to play on my good PC.

***midiwall*** · 12-28-2005, 03:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by arjan

Just like the 16 bit windows ran on top of DOS.

Yeup.. Like I say, I'm just being a weird purist.

(you know this, but to babble on for others...)
The draw to linux is to have a more stable core OS, that requires less RAM, less disk, runs more efficiently, does much more much better than that thing from Microsoft.

No small feat, and linux delivers on all accounts. There are downsides of course (driver support for new devices being at the top of the list) but it's quite a nice core, and with the wide variety of distributions available these days, there's a lot to chose from in terms of how much work you want to do to get up and running, how you want to interact with the OS (ala desktop shells).

***Corey*** · 12-28-2005, 03:29 PM

From the Linux PC I am able to see my network which has a name, and I can see the shared folder for my main PC and the laptop which runs 98.

But still from my PC I can not view the Linux PC from my Network places.
There must be an area to input the workgroup name on the Linux one so it will show up.

arjan · 12-28-2005, 03:31 PM

I like linux, but my problem is that I service/sell/install climate control & irrigation systems for greenhouses. The software which monitors the climate control of course runs on windows.
I also do quite a bit of PLC (process computers for running equipment) programming, and the same goes for that software, it only runs on windows again.
If it wasn't for that, I would be running linux all the way.

I used to always startup into the console and just start the windowmanager by using "startx". I have no problem editing text files, I've just never like vi. Dosedit under dos used to be a nice texteditor imo. There might be something out there for linux also, I just haven't come accross it yet.

arjan · 12-28-2005, 03:35 PM

Corey, you might have to start up the Samba server. The software to view shares on another computer (smbclient), and to share files are two different things (same under windows, you just don't see it).
When the samba server is setup and running then you can create shares on your linux box. Go to www.samba.org to read all about it.

***midiwall*** · 12-28-2005, 03:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by arjan

I like linux, but my problem is that I service/sell/install climate control & irrigation systems for greenhouses. The software which monitors the climate control of course runs on windows.
I also do quite a bit of PLC (process computers for running equipment) programming, and the same goes for that software, it only runs on windows again.
If it wasn't for that, I would be running linux all the way.

Yeup, i hear ya'.

I also "like" how easy it is to find apps for Windows... a lot of the time I'm looking for something quick and dirty and a few seconds in Google will get me something I can use - in Windows.

Quote:

Dosedit under dos used to be a nice texteditor imo. There might be something out there for linux also, I just haven't come accross it yet.

If you're back from the Old Days and remember the Wordstar control diamond (CTRL SDEF for Left, Right Up, Down etc) then checkout joe. I think it's part of most distributions, just not talked about. jed's another one.

Here's joe's homepage:
http://sourceforge.net/projects/joe-editor/

And, here's jed's:
http://www.jedsoft.org/jed/

arjan · 12-28-2005, 03:46 PM

I used to used wp5.1 in the old days, can't remember the keystrokes. Jed's looks like what I need: text style dropdown menus when I forget the keystrokes.
I just don't use them enough to remember all the keystrokes.
You guys got me going, now I feel like digging up a computer to install linux again.

I actually managed to get the climate control monitoring software to run in wine under linux. It wasn't 100% stable, but it worked.
It's not practical when I have to work with it when I am trying to earn a living though.

***Corey*** · 12-28-2005, 03:49 PM

Arjan, I installed some Samba software when fooling around with the shared folders thing.

I will have to mess with that later.
Time to go play some UT2004 right now

Afterall, I am on vacation until the 3rd.
Gotta get some good gaming in

mike_d · 12-28-2005, 05:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Corey

OK, what if I do install this at a later date on the older PC which has two hard drives.
Will Ubunto see the other hard drive (D drive) even though it is fomatted in the NTFS system?

Reason being, it has several GB of MP3 on it, and I would still like to access them over the network to play on my good PC.

yes, you can read ntfs and sometimes you can write to ntfs. the trouble is that microsoft keeps the details of ntfs secret so that the open source coders can't figure it out exactly. the best would be to put the drive with mp3s in a windows box and then copy them over to the linux box over the network.

mike_d · 12-28-2005, 05:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Corey

From the Linux PC I am able to see my network which has a name, and I can see the shared folder for my main PC and the laptop which runs 98.

But still from my PC I can not view the Linux PC from my Network places.
There must be an area to input the workgroup name on the Linux one so it will show up.

yeah, sharing in the windows world uses the smb protocol (called samba in linux). sharing in the linux world is generally done with nfs. i don't have windows computers at home, so i never played with samba, but under the system|administration|shared folders menu on ubuntu you can play with the sharing settings.

mike_d · 12-28-2005, 05:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by midiwall

Yeup, i hear ya'.

I also "like" how easy it is to find apps for Windows... a lot of the time I'm looking for something quick and dirty and a few seconds in Google will get me something I can use - in Windows.

well it's even easier with ubuntu. they maintain all a repository of thousands of programs that are trivial to install. you also get a gui to pick your programs and install for you automatically (http://www.nongnu.org/synaptic/action.html).

***Corey*** · 12-28-2005, 05:36 PM

I was finally able to view the Linux PC from my XP machine by clicking on view the network, then Microsoft, and it was under MSHOME/name of my network.

When I went to access it, it asked for a password and username, and I was never given one during the Live install.

I shut it down earlier, pretty cool how it does it, and it even opened up the CD ROM drive and told me to take out the disk, close the tray, hit enter, then it shut down.

I am certainly going to explore this some more, and will do a full install on another box.

Churnd · 12-28-2005, 05:54 PM

Corey, if you ever wanna really get your paws dirty with linux, just boot off that live cd and type "install" at the command prompt.

If you've got a Windows install, don't worry. Ubuntu has a great partition manager, and once you get done, you can use GRUB as your boot loader instead of the default WinXP one. That's a good thing, because GRUB will see both the Ubuntu install and WinXP and configure them for you. Once you get up and running and comfortable with the command line interface (CLI), you can start using the terminal to really see how Linux works.

I have a dual boot of Ubuntu 5.10 and WinXP on my Dell Inspiron laptop that's been installed since it was released a few months back. After fooling with several older distros in the past, I have to say Ubuntu has been the easiest to install in terms of out-of-the-box workability. I'm still tinkering with it today to try to get it how I like it. There really is no limit to what you can do... just gotta figure out how to do it. That can take time, yes, but it's all part of the learning process. You're gonna get frustrated, but it can be very rewarding if you stick with it.

Another distro I've been meaning to try out is SuSE 10. That's supposed to be another really good out-of-the-box distro, that comes with the KDE desktop. I have it downloaded, but haven't had time to get it burnt (it's 5 disks) and installed. Maybe when I get back to work I'll fire it up on my test box.

I love Linux for what it is. I have a lot of respect for the Linux community. I'm not good enough at it to have it as my main OS yet, but I hope to get there one day.

arjan · 12-28-2005, 06:17 PM

I installed Suse by downloading a (I think) 50mb file. I burnt that to disc and then booted it. It will take you to the point where it asks which network card you have. There is quite a bit of info floating around of which network cards use what chipsets to figure out which driver you need.
After that it installed itself directly from a ftp server on the web. That way you'll get all the latest files.
I took quite a while as it was installing and downloading at the same time, but it worked well. With suse I keep running into the problem that after I enable the samba server, the nmb client for browsing the windows network won't work anymore.
Before I enable samba, I can browse my windows computers just fine, after I enable samba it sat there for a while and gave an error message.
I also spend an evening getting my handspring visor to work. I had to create a device in the \dev\ directory and then login as root to allow everybody to access it.
Then I finally got it working. Very rewarding once you get it, and you learn a lot of how things work, which will make the next problem easier to figure out.

It is truely amazing how so many people can contribute to something and then all put it together to make it work as a whole.

12-28-2005, 11:39 AM	#2 (permalink)
arjan Contributing Member Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Mission, British Columbia Posts: 1,558	I like playing around with linux. Make sure you enable the KDE desktop, but most distros use it as their primary desktop anyway nowadays. A very nice addition is openoffice as a office suite. I gave up on MS Office and use Openoffice for both windows and when I had linux installed. You have to approach linux witha n open mind, and appreciate what millions of volonteers have contributed for free all over the world. It's quite amazing how it has matured over the last couple of years to a fairly complete desktop. I also found it easiest to hook up all the things to your computer what you want it to recognize. At one point I added a printer and ran into some troubles to get it installed properly later. The admistrator (root) user had to add priveleges to the users to use the printer which wasn't organized automatically. Those things are not a big deal when you gain better understanding how linux operates, but can throw a curve ball with frustrations to the beginner. When setup detects your printers, usb devices,scanners, digital cameras, etc., it takes care of all that and they install usually properly from the bat. I hope you will enjoy it and find a new challange. __________________ 2006 4Runner V8 Sports Edition Red 1997 4Runner 3.4L Bushwacker Flares, 5spd, E locker

12-28-2005, 01:02 PM	#3 (permalink)
mike_d Registered User Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Mountains outside of Boulder Posts: 612	i just switched over to ubuntu (from gentoo) as my primary distro at home. the simple single cd installation is the easiest. this is a good distro to start with as almost everything "just works" out of the box. the standard desktop from ubuntu is gnome (not kde as arjan suggests to use). i'm much more a fan of gnome than kde, but my only advise it to try them both out and choose what works for you. everyone elses advise will just devolve into a holy war nitpicking about the differences between them. __________________ mike '89 4Runner DLX: 2" OME rear springs, 1 5/8" RB BJ spacers, Diff Drop, 32" MT/R. '90 4Runner SR5: Stock Suspension, 32" MT/R . '07 4Runner SR5: 2" OME Rear Springs, Donahoe Coil Overs, Total Chaos UCA, 275/70-17 MT/R. '76 Jeep CJ-5: 4" Lift, 33" BFG MT. '87 Saab 900S: All stock '99 Subaru Legacy GT: All stock

12-28-2005, 01:16 PM	#4 (permalink)
*Corey* Co-Founder/Administrator Staff Join Date: May 2002 Location: Auburn, Washington Posts: 26,071	OK, a question. I got the "Live" version, not the install one. I want to boot up the old PC in the other room with the CD so I can see how Linux looks before actualy intalling it. How do I burn this to a CD? I have both Record Now, and Nero 6. Do I have to tell Nero to make it a boot CD so it will put some system files on it first? XP Pro is on the spare PC. I know about changing the BIOS to look for a CD ROM drive first for the boot order. I would try out the live CD on my machine, but I do not want to take a chance it will screw something up here. __________________ Corey 2007 FJ Cruiser Built for 4wheelin', expedition, camping, and overlanding use PNW FJ Cruisers ☺ Detailing 101 ☺ Join Topsites ☺ Muffler Comparisons ☺ Maggiolinas In The Wild FJ Cruiser Buildup ☺ New Roof Top Tent ☺ Video Of My Penthouse Part II ☺ Rehinge Your ARB/Engel Fridge Blog About Roof Top Tents ☺ FJC Magazines Online Review Of My Tent ☺ 2009 Specialized Rockhopper Pro

12-28-2005, 01:36 PM	#5 (permalink)
arjan Contributing Member Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Mission, British Columbia Posts: 1,558	Most of them you can get as an iso file. You can just simply burn those to cd with Nero. Just burn an image and when nero ask for an image (it first looks for nero images) change the extension to iso. When you burn an iso file and it came from a bootable cd, it will be automatically a bootable cd again. The bootable settings are contained in the iso file. Looking again at your first post, I just realized you're looking at the iso file so you'll be fine. __________________ 2006 4Runner V8 Sports Edition Red 1997 4Runner 3.4L Bushwacker Flares, 5spd, E locker

12-28-2005, 02:15 PM	#7 (permalink)
*Corey* Co-Founder/Administrator Staff Join Date: May 2002 Location: Auburn, Washington Posts: 26,071	No luck. I used Record Now, and it is not bootable Will try to record with Nero next. As soon as I popped the disc in the PC though, a window came up with options to install Linux software such as Office and Firefox, and other stuff. __________________ Corey 2007 FJ Cruiser Built for 4wheelin', expedition, camping, and overlanding use PNW FJ Cruisers ☺ Detailing 101 ☺ Join Topsites ☺ Muffler Comparisons ☺ Maggiolinas In The Wild FJ Cruiser Buildup ☺ New Roof Top Tent ☺ Video Of My Penthouse Part II ☺ Rehinge Your ARB/Engel Fridge Blog About Roof Top Tents ☺ FJC Magazines Online Review Of My Tent ☺ 2009 Specialized Rockhopper Pro

12-28-2005, 02:48 PM	#8 (permalink)
*Corey* Co-Founder/Administrator Staff Join Date: May 2002 Location: Auburn, Washington Posts: 26,071	It is alive OK, Record It Now did work. I did not use my brothers PC he gave to me, I am using my old PIII 500 that I leave hooked up all the time in the spare room except for when my son comes over, then he hooks up his in here. I had to go into the BIOS again and tell it to boot from the CD ROM drive, not the F drive, even though they are the same. In fact I am typing this from Linux with FireFox version 1.0.7. I did not have to install anything, it is all running off of the CD ROM and some temp files I would imagine. It even has the Office application loaded too, plus some stock games and other stuff. It did not detect my old Creative ISA slot AWE 64 sound card though. It may have if I had the Creative Live 5.1 in here. But, for anyone wanting to see how Linux looks, this is most cool. I may install it on another PC here at a later date. It even detected my network and is online with my main PC and laptop in the other room. Pretty cool. Give it a shot if you have never seen Linux before, it is pretty cool. __________________ Corey 2007 FJ Cruiser Built for 4wheelin', expedition, camping, and overlanding use PNW FJ Cruisers ☺ Detailing 101 ☺ Join Topsites ☺ Muffler Comparisons ☺ Maggiolinas In The Wild FJ Cruiser Buildup ☺ New Roof Top Tent ☺ Video Of My Penthouse Part II ☺ Rehinge Your ARB/Engel Fridge Blog About Roof Top Tents ☺ FJC Magazines Online Review Of My Tent ☺ 2009 Specialized Rockhopper Pro

12-28-2005, 02:51 PM	#9 (permalink)
arjan Contributing Member Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Mission, British Columbia Posts: 1,558	Corey's got the bug Pretty soon there will be a dedicated PC running linux 24/7. __________________ 2006 4Runner V8 Sports Edition Red 1997 4Runner 3.4L Bushwacker Flares, 5spd, E locker

12-28-2005, 03:02 PM	#11 (permalink)
arjan Contributing Member Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Mission, British Columbia Posts: 1,558	Just like the 16 bit windows ran on top of DOS. __________________ 2006 4Runner V8 Sports Edition Red 1997 4Runner 3.4L Bushwacker Flares, 5spd, E locker

12-28-2005, 03:09 PM	#12 (permalink)
*Corey* Co-Founder/Administrator Staff Join Date: May 2002 Location: Auburn, Washington Posts: 26,071	Yeah, I know it is just a shell. The Linux underneath is boring Gotta have our GUIs. OK, what if I do install this at a later date on the older PC which has two hard drives. Will Ubunto see the other hard drive (D drive) even though it is fomatted in the NTFS system? Reason being, it has several GB of MP3 on it, and I would still like to access them over the network to play on my good PC. __________________ Corey 2007 FJ Cruiser Built for 4wheelin', expedition, camping, and overlanding use PNW FJ Cruisers ☺ Detailing 101 ☺ Join Topsites ☺ Muffler Comparisons ☺ Maggiolinas In The Wild FJ Cruiser Buildup ☺ New Roof Top Tent ☺ Video Of My Penthouse Part II ☺ Rehinge Your ARB/Engel Fridge Blog About Roof Top Tents ☺ FJC Magazines Online Review Of My Tent ☺ 2009 Specialized Rockhopper Pro

12-28-2005, 03:29 PM	#14 (permalink)
*Corey* Co-Founder/Administrator Staff Join Date: May 2002 Location: Auburn, Washington Posts: 26,071	From the Linux PC I am able to see my network which has a name, and I can see the shared folder for my main PC and the laptop which runs 98. But still from my PC I can not view the Linux PC from my Network places. There must be an area to input the workgroup name on the Linux one so it will show up. __________________ Corey 2007 FJ Cruiser Built for 4wheelin', expedition, camping, and overlanding use PNW FJ Cruisers ☺ Detailing 101 ☺ Join Topsites ☺ Muffler Comparisons ☺ Maggiolinas In The Wild FJ Cruiser Buildup ☺ New Roof Top Tent ☺ Video Of My Penthouse Part II ☺ Rehinge Your ARB/Engel Fridge Blog About Roof Top Tents ☺ FJC Magazines Online Review Of My Tent ☺ 2009 Specialized Rockhopper Pro

12-28-2005, 03:31 PM	#15 (permalink)
arjan Contributing Member Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Mission, British Columbia Posts: 1,558	I like linux, but my problem is that I service/sell/install climate control & irrigation systems for greenhouses. The software which monitors the climate control of course runs on windows. I also do quite a bit of PLC (process computers for running equipment) programming, and the same goes for that software, it only runs on windows again. If it wasn't for that, I would be running linux all the way. I used to always startup into the console and just start the windowmanager by using "startx". I have no problem editing text files, I've just never like vi. Dosedit under dos used to be a nice texteditor imo. There might be something out there for linux also, I just haven't come accross it yet. __________________ 2006 4Runner V8 Sports Edition Red 1997 4Runner 3.4L Bushwacker Flares, 5spd, E locker

12-28-2005, 03:35 PM	#16 (permalink)
arjan Contributing Member Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Mission, British Columbia Posts: 1,558	Corey, you might have to start up the Samba server. The software to view shares on another computer (smbclient), and to share files are two different things (same under windows, you just don't see it). When the samba server is setup and running then you can create shares on your linux box. Go to www.samba.org to read all about it. __________________ 2006 4Runner V8 Sports Edition Red 1997 4Runner 3.4L Bushwacker Flares, 5spd, E locker

12-28-2005, 03:46 PM	#18 (permalink)
arjan Contributing Member Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Mission, British Columbia Posts: 1,558	I used to used wp5.1 in the old days, can't remember the keystrokes. Jed's looks like what I need: text style dropdown menus when I forget the keystrokes. I just don't use them enough to remember all the keystrokes. You guys got me going, now I feel like digging up a computer to install linux again. I actually managed to get the climate control monitoring software to run in wine under linux. It wasn't 100% stable, but it worked. It's not practical when I have to work with it when I am trying to earn a living though. __________________ 2006 4Runner V8 Sports Edition Red 1997 4Runner 3.4L Bushwacker Flares, 5spd, E locker

12-28-2005, 03:49 PM	#19 (permalink)
*Corey* Co-Founder/Administrator Staff Join Date: May 2002 Location: Auburn, Washington Posts: 26,071	Arjan, I installed some Samba software when fooling around with the shared folders thing. I will have to mess with that later. Time to go play some UT2004 right now Afterall, I am on vacation until the 3rd. Gotta get some good gaming in __________________ Corey 2007 FJ Cruiser Built for 4wheelin', expedition, camping, and overlanding use PNW FJ Cruisers ☺ Detailing 101 ☺ Join Topsites ☺ Muffler Comparisons ☺ Maggiolinas In The Wild FJ Cruiser Buildup ☺ New Roof Top Tent ☺ Video Of My Penthouse Part II ☺ Rehinge Your ARB/Engel Fridge Blog About Roof Top Tents ☺ FJC Magazines Online Review Of My Tent ☺ 2009 Specialized Rockhopper Pro

12-28-2005, 05:36 PM	#23 (permalink)
*Corey* Co-Founder/Administrator Staff Join Date: May 2002 Location: Auburn, Washington Posts: 26,071	I was finally able to view the Linux PC from my XP machine by clicking on view the network, then Microsoft, and it was under MSHOME/name of my network. When I went to access it, it asked for a password and username, and I was never given one during the Live install. I shut it down earlier, pretty cool how it does it, and it even opened up the CD ROM drive and told me to take out the disk, close the tray, hit enter, then it shut down. I am certainly going to explore this some more, and will do a full install on another box. __________________ Corey 2007 FJ Cruiser Built for 4wheelin', expedition, camping, and overlanding use PNW FJ Cruisers ☺ Detailing 101 ☺ Join Topsites ☺ Muffler Comparisons ☺ Maggiolinas In The Wild FJ Cruiser Buildup ☺ New Roof Top Tent ☺ Video Of My Penthouse Part II ☺ Rehinge Your ARB/Engel Fridge Blog About Roof Top Tents ☺ FJC Magazines Online Review Of My Tent ☺ 2009 Specialized Rockhopper Pro

12-28-2005, 05:54 PM	#24 (permalink)
Churnd Registered User Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Hattiesburg, MS Posts: 4,093	Corey, if you ever wanna really get your paws dirty with linux, just boot off that live cd and type "install" at the command prompt. If you've got a Windows install, don't worry. Ubuntu has a great partition manager, and once you get done, you can use GRUB as your boot loader instead of the default WinXP one. That's a good thing, because GRUB will see both the Ubuntu install and WinXP and configure them for you. Once you get up and running and comfortable with the command line interface (CLI), you can start using the terminal to really see how Linux works. I have a dual boot of Ubuntu 5.10 and WinXP on my Dell Inspiron laptop that's been installed since it was released a few months back. After fooling with several older distros in the past, I have to say Ubuntu has been the easiest to install in terms of out-of-the-box workability. I'm still tinkering with it today to try to get it how I like it. There really is no limit to what you can do... just gotta figure out how to do it. That can take time, yes, but it's all part of the learning process. You're gonna get frustrated, but it can be very rewarding if you stick with it. Another distro I've been meaning to try out is SuSE 10. That's supposed to be another really good out-of-the-box distro, that comes with the KDE desktop. I have it downloaded, but haven't had time to get it burnt (it's 5 disks) and installed. Maybe when I get back to work I'll fire it up on my test box. I love Linux for what it is. I have a lot of respect for the Linux community. I'm not good enough at it to have it as my main OS yet, but I hope to get there one day. __________________ -Chris If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough. Click here to search! My Website

12-28-2005, 06:17 PM	#25 (permalink)
arjan Contributing Member Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Mission, British Columbia Posts: 1,558	I installed Suse by downloading a (I think) 50mb file. I burnt that to disc and then booted it. It will take you to the point where it asks which network card you have. There is quite a bit of info floating around of which network cards use what chipsets to figure out which driver you need. After that it installed itself directly from a ftp server on the web. That way you'll get all the latest files. I took quite a while as it was installing and downloading at the same time, but it worked well. With suse I keep running into the problem that after I enable the samba server, the nmb client for browsing the windows network won't work anymore. Before I enable samba, I can browse my windows computers just fine, after I enable samba it sat there for a while and gave an error message. I also spend an evening getting my handspring visor to work. I had to create a device in the \dev\ directory and then login as root to allow everybody to access it. Then I finally got it working. Very rewarding once you get it, and you learn a lot of how things work, which will make the next problem easier to figure out. It is truely amazing how so many people can contribute to something and then all put it together to make it work as a whole. __________________ 2006 4Runner V8 Sports Edition Red 1997 4Runner 3.4L Bushwacker Flares, 5spd, E locker

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