the dirt cheap SAS........well close

Napoleon047 · 12-12-2005, 09:07 PM

ok, well here we go:

axle $100
gears and locker $380
rotors $80
steering arms $150
tie rod and draglink $100
ford shock towers $ 22
12" travel shocks $ 40
knuckle rebuild kit $ 75
misc steel, bolts etc $ 100
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total: $1047

IFS stuff sold - $ 550

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= $547
how does it perform?

more details to follow

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wimpywade94 · 12-12-2005, 09:19 PM

Im shooting to do mine for under a grand total, you got me beat i think!
wade

dannyh · 12-12-2005, 10:53 PM

How did you get so much for your IFS!?

ravencr · 12-13-2005, 05:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dannyh

How did you get so much for your IFS!?

I'm interested to see how this turns out.

Chris

Flygtenstein · 12-13-2005, 05:51 AM

Hubs and a geared front diff with a True Trac.

Then add BJ spacers, not too bad at all.

Looks good Peter.

You still have Stockfields, right? At least this includes a locked diff.

Napoleon047 · 12-13-2005, 07:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Flygtenstein

Hubs and a geared front diff with a True Trac.

Then add BJ spacers, not too bad at all.

Looks good Peter.

You still have Stockfields, right? At least this includes a locked diff.

yep, i would have been better off to SAS it in the first place cashwise, whenever you re-sell parts you only get 50-75% of their new value if you are lucky.

yep, stockers for now. CV unlimited sells some stock replacements that have a different hardening than the stockers for $20 each on ebay so i figure i can break a few before i upgrade to something beefier. im only running 33"s for now anyway.

Napoleon047 · 12-13-2005, 08:00 AM

the front spring hanger i built myself.
the shackle tubes that go through the frame, i sourced my own tubing. got a foot of it for $9 and that was more than enough for both tubes.
the frame jigs i borrowed.
shackles i made myself.
the front springs are the stock rear springs with the bottom leaf from the stock springs that came with the axle.

front driveshaft:
i clearanced the stock IFS front CV: http://www.4x4wire.com/toyota/tech/cvmod/
and then built a square driveshaft. it works, and it was cheap and i can go 40 miles per hour or so before it really starts vibrating.

Napoleon047 · 12-13-2005, 08:03 AM

i almost forgot, orielly's had the brake line extensions (stock rear 85 brake hose) for $9 each and change.

ravencr · 12-13-2005, 08:03 AM

So are you already done with this? Where the heck is the buildup thread? Where's all the pics?

Chris

Napoleon047 · 12-13-2005, 08:13 AM

axle fresh from the junkyard

hubs, bearings etc:

started cleanup and paint

the magical substance:

getting close:

putting the chevies in:

IFS TRE vs chevy TRE

done:

ravencr · 12-13-2005, 08:17 AM

Nice work man!

Chris

getitdone · 12-13-2005, 01:13 PM

Hell yea get it done!

btw how much/where did you get your magical substance for?

99_Runner · 12-13-2005, 01:46 PM

That's awesome. Glad to see that it can be done for cheap if you just buy from the right places.

RobG · 12-13-2005, 01:52 PM

Dam that is cheap, I stopped counting at 3K. Great Job!

What did you do for a front driveshaft?

NCSU-4runner · 12-13-2005, 01:55 PM

it obviously can be done for cheap if you are willing to source/make alot of the parts yourself. Congrats on the low cost SAS.

Napoleon047 · 12-14-2005, 08:36 AM

thanks guys

the chem-dip i got at my local autozone. i usually just use spray cans of brake cleaner to clean parts, but $2/can adds up quickly. i bought this gallon can for $12 and it has a handy dip basket inside that makes cleaning parts a snap.

read post #7 for driveshaft details

Napoleon047 · 12-14-2005, 08:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NCSU-4runner

it obviously can be done for cheap if you are willing to source/make alot of the parts yourself. Congrats on the low cost SAS.

the more you can do yourself, the cheaper of course, but you can always cut down on the bling to save some cash.

for instance: marlin crawler's SAS kit is arguably the best on the market and its $1300.
by substituting:
ford shock towers ($22) for shock hoops ($69) you save $47
gabriel shocks ($40) for bilstein shocks ($150) you save $110
rubber brake hose ($20) for SS brake hose ($60) you save $40
stock rear springs (Free) for marlin's front springs ($269) you save $269
= savings of $466

now, im not trying to hate on their kit. if i had the cash, i probably would have bought it myself, but being on a budget, i had to cut corners where i could without making it ghetto. if it was a trailer queen, thats another story, but since i drive it on the highway at 70mph, it needs to steer and stop under all conditions.

people on this site have the tendency to say "you cant do a proper SAS for under $X,XXX." i say you can and you can do it without comprimising safety.

RobG · 12-14-2005, 09:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Napoleon047

thanks guys
read post #7 for driveshaft details

Sorry, that was pretty lame of me to miss that.

Do you set up your own gears?

Someone told me that the Ford shock towers can cause frame cracking problems, not sure why. ever hear of this?

And, Really Nice looking truck!

Flygtenstein · 12-14-2005, 10:29 AM

I really dig this and it shows what you can do on a budget.

That being said, you have a lot of resources and skill as far as making parts. Most people do not have that. Almost universally those who ask do not.

Quite literally you are into the project for only parts, as in raw steel for the most part.

I commend you for showing what a motivated and skilled swapper can do on a budget.

For those going off the shelf, it is still possible, but parts like diff and the swap kit add up quick.

88yotatruck · 12-14-2005, 04:02 PM

who's steering arms did you use???how did you make the ierod and draglink or who did you buy it from....what size tube and bolts did you use for the shackle through the frame??

Napoleon047 · 12-14-2005, 05:24 PM

i got marlin's forged arms when they first came out for $129/pair

the tie rod and draglink were made by a buddy with a lathe. 1-5/16" solid cold rolled rod. $2.90/foot it was $3/foot cheaper than 1-1/4" DOM. 7ft was more than enough.

the shackle tubes are 1.5" x 0.156" wall DOM (1-3/16" ID). the toyota bushings use 18mm or 11/16" bolts.

i did set up my own gears, but under professional supervision. you can often times have a 3rd geared for $150, maybe even less (assuming you pull it yourself).

Napoleon047 · 12-14-2005, 08:16 PM

just for fun:

marlin's spring hanger kit: ($195) (includes hanger, shackles, tubes, jigs and bushings)
marlin's forged histeer kit: ($369)
ford shock towers ($22)
gabriel shocks ($40)
rubber brake hose ($20)
stock rear springs (Free)
rotors ($80)
marlin's flip kit ($49)
======================
$775 for a pretty much complete SAS kit

lock rite and gearset: $380
install: $150
knuckle rebuild kit: $75
============
$1380

i know you can take your rig to sonoran steel and have the front hanger and shackle tubes welded pre-sas for $200 or so. then you just have to cut off the IFS with a sawzall or whatever and bolt in the axle and leaf springs, drive it back and have shock towers welded on.

so buy an axle for $100 and you have an SAS for ~$1600!!

Napoleon047 · 12-14-2005, 08:18 PM

add a high angle driveline for $280 and you are still under $2k!

934rnr · 12-19-2005, 06:26 PM

Also another cheap trick you want to widen your front axle without wheel spacers?
Basically use IFS wheel hubs use the solid axle bearings in them.
Then drill the IFS bolt on pattern to the fj80 rotor bolt them on.
Drill out the threads of the caliper mounts to the knuckle and mount the IFS caliper on the outside of the knuckle using grade 8 bolts.
You have to take some material off the outside portion of the brake caliper and chase the caliper bolt holes with a drill bit depending what size grade 8 bolts you use or you can just tap the caliper bolt holes if you feel so inclined to do so.
Volia widened front axle no wheel spacers.

Old pic before hysteer:

I have run mine for 7 months so far without issues. I did have problems with the calipers though they were reman calipers and I did blow the seals on the drivers side caliper and the passengers side caliper started to leak. Luckily they had a lifetime warranty so I just exhanged them.

yotaman · 12-19-2005, 09:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Napoleon047

just for fun:

marlin's spring hanger kit: ($195) (includes hanger, shackles, tubes, jigs and bushings)
marlin's forged histeer kit: ($369)
ford shock towers ($22)
gabriel shocks ($40)
rubber brake hose ($20)
stock rear springs (Free)
rotors ($80)
marlin's flip kit ($49)
======================
$775 for a pretty much complete SAS kit

lock rite and gearset: $380
install: $150
knuckle rebuild kit: $75
============
$1380

i know you can take your rig to sonoran steel and have the front hanger and shackle tubes welded pre-sas for $200 or so. then you just have to cut off the IFS with a sawzall or whatever and bolt in the axle and leaf springs, drive it back and have shock towers welded on.

so buy an axle for $100 and you have an SAS for ~$1600!!

Do you have a part number for the Gabriel Shocks you used? Is the part number for the Ford shock towers you used: “E5TZ*18183*A”?

12-12-2005, 09:19 PM	#2 (permalink)
wimpywade94 Registered User Join Date: May 2003 Location: benton city wa Posts: 1,320	Im shooting to do mine for under a grand total, you got me beat i think! wade __________________ 86 runner, rebuilt motor, egr block off, headman header, 3"bl, 33x12.5 m/t's. Lots of work wanted to do. limited skills, funds, time and drive. If you dont know where your going, anyplace will do.....

12-12-2005, 10:53 PM	#3 (permalink)
dannyh Registered User Join Date: May 2005 Location: Mission, BC, Canada Posts: 48	How did you get so much for your IFS!? __________________ Big Country Customs

12-13-2005, 05:51 AM	#5 (permalink)
Flygtenstein Registered User Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Fort Collins, CO Posts: 4,246	Hubs and a geared front diff with a True Trac. Then add BJ spacers, not too bad at all. Looks good Peter. You still have Stockfields, right? At least this includes a locked diff. __________________ Ease on down the road.

12-13-2005, 08:00 AM	#7 (permalink)
Napoleon047 Registered User Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Columbia, MO Posts: 995	the front spring hanger i built myself. the shackle tubes that go through the frame, i sourced my own tubing. got a foot of it for $9 and that was more than enough for both tubes. the frame jigs i borrowed. shackles i made myself. the front springs are the stock rear springs with the bottom leaf from the stock springs that came with the axle. front driveshaft: i clearanced the stock IFS front CV: http://www.4x4wire.com/toyota/tech/cvmod/ and then built a square driveshaft. it works, and it was cheap and i can go 40 miles per hour or so before it really starts vibrating. __________________ -Peter 86 4runner SAS - Trail Rig 94 FZJ80 - DD the dirt cheap SAS Marko Customs

12-13-2005, 08:03 AM	#8 (permalink)
Napoleon047 Registered User Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Columbia, MO Posts: 995	i almost forgot, orielly's had the brake line extensions (stock rear 85 brake hose) for $9 each and change. __________________ -Peter 86 4runner SAS - Trail Rig 94 FZJ80 - DD the dirt cheap SAS Marko Customs

12-13-2005, 08:03 AM	#9 (permalink)
ravencr Registered User Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Severance, CO Posts: 4,728	So are you already done with this? Where the heck is the buildup thread? Where's all the pics? Chris

12-13-2005, 08:13 AM	#10 (permalink)
Napoleon047 Registered User Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Columbia, MO Posts: 995	axle fresh from the junkyard hubs, bearings etc: started cleanup and paint the magical substance: getting close: putting the chevies in: IFS TRE vs chevy TRE done: __________________ -Peter 86 4runner SAS - Trail Rig 94 FZJ80 - DD the dirt cheap SAS Marko Customs

12-13-2005, 08:17 AM	#11 (permalink)
ravencr Registered User Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Severance, CO Posts: 4,728	Nice work man! Chris

12-13-2005, 01:13 PM	#12 (permalink)
getitdone Contributing Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Ft. Collins, Co Posts: 1,006	Hell yea get it done! btw how much/where did you get your magical substance for? __________________ Chris Fischer 3D 85 4Runner SR5 \| 33" BFG M/T on flat black rims \| Chevy springs \| Custom Grab cage with overhead cb mount \| Custom fabbed center console \| Freshly rebuilt axle with IFS hub/caliper swap \| Rock Sliders \| Lots more... In Colorado, Dig.

12-13-2005, 01:46 PM	#13 (permalink)
99_Runner Registered User Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Westminster, CO Posts: 1,115	That's awesome. Glad to see that it can be done for cheap if you just buy from the right places. __________________ Drew 99 4Runner SR5, auto, 3.4 V6, factory rear locker, 265/75 Yokohama Geolander AT+II Stock for now, but hopefully not for long.

12-13-2005, 01:52 PM	#14 (permalink)
RobG Registered User Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: HBCA Posts: 161	Dam that is cheap, I stopped counting at 3K. Great Job! What did you do for a front driveshaft? __________________ '93 4runner 4WD/V6/5spd

12-13-2005, 01:55 PM	#15 (permalink)
NCSU-4runner Contributing Member Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Raleigh NC Posts: 1,597	it obviously can be done for cheap if you are willing to source/make alot of the parts yourself. Congrats on the low cost SAS. __________________ Jeremy, 94 4Runner Turbo Leaf Spring SAS front - Coilover 4link rear (starts December) / Supra Swap My Truck is featured on Supracharged.com - Home of the original Supra swap and Forum One of two things will happen, I will die, or the truck will be finished. I'm not sure which will be first.

12-14-2005, 08:36 AM	#16 (permalink)
Napoleon047 Registered User Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Columbia, MO Posts: 995	thanks guys the chem-dip i got at my local autozone. i usually just use spray cans of brake cleaner to clean parts, but $2/can adds up quickly. i bought this gallon can for $12 and it has a handy dip basket inside that makes cleaning parts a snap. read post #7 for driveshaft details __________________ -Peter 86 4runner SAS - Trail Rig 94 FZJ80 - DD the dirt cheap SAS Marko Customs

12-14-2005, 10:29 AM	#19 (permalink)
Flygtenstein Registered User Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Fort Collins, CO Posts: 4,246	I really dig this and it shows what you can do on a budget. That being said, you have a lot of resources and skill as far as making parts. Most people do not have that. Almost universally those who ask do not. Quite literally you are into the project for only parts, as in raw steel for the most part. I commend you for showing what a motivated and skilled swapper can do on a budget. For those going off the shelf, it is still possible, but parts like diff and the swap kit add up quick. __________________ Ease on down the road.

12-14-2005, 04:02 PM	#20 (permalink)
88yotatruck Registered User Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Waverly hall, ga Posts: 47	who's steering arms did you use???how did you make the ierod and draglink or who did you buy it from....what size tube and bolts did you use for the shackle through the frame??

12-14-2005, 05:24 PM	#21 (permalink)
Napoleon047 Registered User Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Columbia, MO Posts: 995	i got marlin's forged arms when they first came out for $129/pair the tie rod and draglink were made by a buddy with a lathe. 1-5/16" solid cold rolled rod. $2.90/foot it was $3/foot cheaper than 1-1/4" DOM. 7ft was more than enough. the shackle tubes are 1.5" x 0.156" wall DOM (1-3/16" ID). the toyota bushings use 18mm or 11/16" bolts. i did set up my own gears, but under professional supervision. you can often times have a 3rd geared for $150, maybe even less (assuming you pull it yourself). __________________ -Peter 86 4runner SAS - Trail Rig 94 FZJ80 - DD the dirt cheap SAS Marko Customs

12-14-2005, 08:16 PM	#22 (permalink)
Napoleon047 Registered User Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Columbia, MO Posts: 995	just for fun: marlin's spring hanger kit: ($195) (includes hanger, shackles, tubes, jigs and bushings) marlin's forged histeer kit: ($369) ford shock towers ($22) gabriel shocks ($40) rubber brake hose ($20) stock rear springs (Free) rotors ($80) marlin's flip kit ($49) ====================== $775 for a pretty much complete SAS kit lock rite and gearset: $380 install: $150 knuckle rebuild kit: $75 ============ $1380 i know you can take your rig to sonoran steel and have the front hanger and shackle tubes welded pre-sas for $200 or so. then you just have to cut off the IFS with a sawzall or whatever and bolt in the axle and leaf springs, drive it back and have shock towers welded on. so buy an axle for $100 and you have an SAS for ~$1600!! __________________ -Peter 86 4runner SAS - Trail Rig 94 FZJ80 - DD the dirt cheap SAS Marko Customs

12-14-2005, 08:18 PM	#23 (permalink)
Napoleon047 Registered User Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Columbia, MO Posts: 995	add a high angle driveline for $280 and you are still under $2k! __________________ -Peter 86 4runner SAS - Trail Rig 94 FZJ80 - DD the dirt cheap SAS Marko Customs

12-19-2005, 06:26 PM	#24 (permalink)
934rnr Registered User Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: S. Burlington, VT Posts: 1,240	Also another cheap trick you want to widen your front axle without wheel spacers? Basically use IFS wheel hubs use the solid axle bearings in them. Then drill the IFS bolt on pattern to the fj80 rotor bolt them on. Drill out the threads of the caliper mounts to the knuckle and mount the IFS caliper on the outside of the knuckle using grade 8 bolts. You have to take some material off the outside portion of the brake caliper and chase the caliper bolt holes with a drill bit depending what size grade 8 bolts you use or you can just tap the caliper bolt holes if you feel so inclined to do so. Volia widened front axle no wheel spacers. Old pic before hysteer: I have run mine for 7 months so far without issues. I did have problems with the calipers though they were reman calipers and I did blow the seals on the drivers side caliper and the passengers side caliper started to leak. Luckily they had a lifetime warranty so I just exhanged them. __________________ 86 Toyota 4 runner Soild front axle, 35x12.5 BFG KM2's, winch, blah blah blah.... http://www.yotatech.com/f116/my-new-red-snappah-152938/ My cardomain page Last edited by 934rnr; 12-24-2005 at 11:29 PM.

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