the dirt cheap SAS........well close

Napoleon047 · 12-12-2005, 09:07 PM

ok, well here we go:

axle $100
gears and locker $380
rotors $80
steering arms $150
tie rod and draglink $100
ford shock towers $ 22
12" travel shocks $ 40
knuckle rebuild kit $ 75
misc steel, bolts etc $ 100
=========================
total: $1047

IFS stuff sold - $ 550

=========================
= $547
how does it perform?

more details to follow

wimpywade94 · 12-12-2005, 09:19 PM

Im shooting to do mine for under a grand total, you got me beat i think!
wade

dannyh · 12-12-2005, 10:53 PM

How did you get so much for your IFS!?

ravencr · 12-13-2005, 05:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dannyh

How did you get so much for your IFS!?

I'm interested to see how this turns out.

Chris

Flygtenstein · 12-13-2005, 05:51 AM

Hubs and a geared front diff with a True Trac.

Then add BJ spacers, not too bad at all.

Looks good Peter.

You still have Stockfields, right? At least this includes a locked diff.

Napoleon047 · 12-13-2005, 07:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Flygtenstein

Hubs and a geared front diff with a True Trac.

Then add BJ spacers, not too bad at all.

Looks good Peter.

You still have Stockfields, right? At least this includes a locked diff.

yep, i would have been better off to SAS it in the first place cashwise, whenever you re-sell parts you only get 50-75% of their new value if you are lucky.

yep, stockers for now. CV unlimited sells some stock replacements that have a different hardening than the stockers for $20 each on ebay so i figure i can break a few before i upgrade to something beefier. im only running 33"s for now anyway.

Napoleon047 · 12-13-2005, 08:00 AM

the front spring hanger i built myself.
the shackle tubes that go through the frame, i sourced my own tubing. got a foot of it for $9 and that was more than enough for both tubes.
the frame jigs i borrowed.
shackles i made myself.
the front springs are the stock rear springs with the bottom leaf from the stock springs that came with the axle.

front driveshaft:
i clearanced the stock IFS front CV: http://www.4x4wire.com/toyota/tech/cvmod/
and then built a square driveshaft. it works, and it was cheap and i can go 40 miles per hour or so before it really starts vibrating.

Napoleon047 · 12-13-2005, 08:03 AM

i almost forgot, orielly's had the brake line extensions (stock rear 85 brake hose) for $9 each and change.

ravencr · 12-13-2005, 08:03 AM

So are you already done with this? Where the heck is the buildup thread? Where's all the pics?

Chris

Napoleon047 · 12-13-2005, 08:13 AM

axle fresh from the junkyard

hubs, bearings etc:

started cleanup and paint

the magical substance:

getting close:

putting the chevies in:

IFS TRE vs chevy TRE

done:

ravencr · 12-13-2005, 08:17 AM

Nice work man!

Chris

getitdone · 12-13-2005, 01:13 PM

Hell yea get it done!

btw how much/where did you get your magical substance for?

99_Runner · 12-13-2005, 01:46 PM

That's awesome. Glad to see that it can be done for cheap if you just buy from the right places.

RobG · 12-13-2005, 01:52 PM

Dam that is cheap, I stopped counting at 3K. Great Job!

What did you do for a front driveshaft?

NCSU-4runner · 12-13-2005, 01:55 PM

it obviously can be done for cheap if you are willing to source/make alot of the parts yourself. Congrats on the low cost SAS.

Napoleon047 · 12-14-2005, 08:36 AM

thanks guys

the chem-dip i got at my local autozone. i usually just use spray cans of brake cleaner to clean parts, but $2/can adds up quickly. i bought this gallon can for $12 and it has a handy dip basket inside that makes cleaning parts a snap.

read post #7 for driveshaft details

Napoleon047 · 12-14-2005, 08:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NCSU-4runner

it obviously can be done for cheap if you are willing to source/make alot of the parts yourself. Congrats on the low cost SAS.

the more you can do yourself, the cheaper of course, but you can always cut down on the bling to save some cash.

for instance: marlin crawler's SAS kit is arguably the best on the market and its $1300.
by substituting:
ford shock towers ($22) for shock hoops ($69) you save $47
gabriel shocks ($40) for bilstein shocks ($150) you save $110
rubber brake hose ($20) for SS brake hose ($60) you save $40
stock rear springs (Free) for marlin's front springs ($269) you save $269
= savings of $466

now, im not trying to hate on their kit. if i had the cash, i probably would have bought it myself, but being on a budget, i had to cut corners where i could without making it ghetto. if it was a trailer queen, thats another story, but since i drive it on the highway at 70mph, it needs to steer and stop under all conditions.

people on this site have the tendency to say "you cant do a proper SAS for under $X,XXX." i say you can and you can do it without comprimising safety.

RobG · 12-14-2005, 09:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Napoleon047

thanks guys
read post #7 for driveshaft details

Sorry, that was pretty lame of me to miss that.

Do you set up your own gears?

Someone told me that the Ford shock towers can cause frame cracking problems, not sure why. ever hear of this?

And, Really Nice looking truck!

Flygtenstein · 12-14-2005, 10:29 AM

I really dig this and it shows what you can do on a budget.

That being said, you have a lot of resources and skill as far as making parts. Most people do not have that. Almost universally those who ask do not.

Quite literally you are into the project for only parts, as in raw steel for the most part.

I commend you for showing what a motivated and skilled swapper can do on a budget.

For those going off the shelf, it is still possible, but parts like diff and the swap kit add up quick.

88yotatruck · 12-14-2005, 04:02 PM

who's steering arms did you use???how did you make the ierod and draglink or who did you buy it from....what size tube and bolts did you use for the shackle through the frame??

12-12-2005, 09:07 PM	#1 (permalink)
Napoleon047 Registered User Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Columbia, MO Posts: 1,002	the dirt cheap SAS........well close ok, well here we go: axle $100 gears and locker $380 rotors $80 steering arms $150 tie rod and draglink $100 ford shock towers $ 22 12" travel shocks $ 40 knuckle rebuild kit $ 75 misc steel, bolts etc $ 100 ========================= total: $1047 IFS stuff sold - $ 550 ========================= = $547 how does it perform? more details to follow __________________ -Peter 86 4runner SAS - Trail Rig 94 FZJ80 - DD the dirt cheap SAS Marko Customs

12-12-2005, 09:19 PM	#2 (permalink)
wimpywade94 Registered User Join Date: May 2003 Location: benton city wa Posts: 1,321	Im shooting to do mine for under a grand total, you got me beat i think! wade __________________ 86 runner, rebuilt motor, egr block off, headman header, 3"bl, 33x12.5 m/t's. Lots of work wanted to do. limited skills, funds, time and drive. If you dont know where your going, anyplace will do.....

12-12-2005, 10:53 PM	#3 (permalink)
dannyh Registered User Join Date: May 2005 Location: Mission, BC, Canada Posts: 48	How did you get so much for your IFS!? __________________ Big Country Customs

12-13-2005, 05:51 AM	#5 (permalink)
Flygtenstein Registered User Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Fort Collins, CO Posts: 4,257	Hubs and a geared front diff with a True Trac. Then add BJ spacers, not too bad at all. Looks good Peter. You still have Stockfields, right? At least this includes a locked diff. __________________ Ease on down the road.

12-13-2005, 08:00 AM	#7 (permalink)
Napoleon047 Registered User Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Columbia, MO Posts: 1,002	the front spring hanger i built myself. the shackle tubes that go through the frame, i sourced my own tubing. got a foot of it for $9 and that was more than enough for both tubes. the frame jigs i borrowed. shackles i made myself. the front springs are the stock rear springs with the bottom leaf from the stock springs that came with the axle. front driveshaft: i clearanced the stock IFS front CV: http://www.4x4wire.com/toyota/tech/cvmod/ and then built a square driveshaft. it works, and it was cheap and i can go 40 miles per hour or so before it really starts vibrating. __________________ -Peter 86 4runner SAS - Trail Rig 94 FZJ80 - DD the dirt cheap SAS Marko Customs

12-13-2005, 08:03 AM	#8 (permalink)
Napoleon047 Registered User Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Columbia, MO Posts: 1,002	i almost forgot, orielly's had the brake line extensions (stock rear 85 brake hose) for $9 each and change. __________________ -Peter 86 4runner SAS - Trail Rig 94 FZJ80 - DD the dirt cheap SAS Marko Customs

12-13-2005, 08:03 AM	#9 (permalink)
ravencr Registered User Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Severance, CO Posts: 4,742	So are you already done with this? Where the heck is the buildup thread? Where's all the pics? Chris

12-13-2005, 08:13 AM	#10 (permalink)
Napoleon047 Registered User Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Columbia, MO Posts: 1,002	axle fresh from the junkyard hubs, bearings etc: started cleanup and paint the magical substance: getting close: putting the chevies in: IFS TRE vs chevy TRE done: __________________ -Peter 86 4runner SAS - Trail Rig 94 FZJ80 - DD the dirt cheap SAS Marko Customs

12-13-2005, 08:17 AM	#11 (permalink)
ravencr Registered User Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Severance, CO Posts: 4,742	Nice work man! Chris

12-13-2005, 01:13 PM	#12 (permalink)
getitdone Contributing Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Ft. Collins, Co Posts: 1,016	Hell yea get it done! btw how much/where did you get your magical substance for? __________________ Chris Fischer 3D 85 4Runner SR5 \| 33" BFG M/T on flat black rims \| Chevy springs \| Custom Grab cage with overhead cb mount \| Custom fabbed center console \| Freshly rebuilt axle with IFS hub/caliper swap \| Rock Sliders \| Lots more... In Colorado, Dig.

12-13-2005, 01:46 PM	#13 (permalink)
99_Runner Registered User Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Westminster, CO Posts: 1,111	That's awesome. Glad to see that it can be done for cheap if you just buy from the right places. __________________ Drew 99 4Runner SR5, auto, 3.4 V6, factory rear locker, 265/75 Yokohama Geolander AT+II Stock for now, but hopefully not for long.

12-13-2005, 01:52 PM	#14 (permalink)
RobG Registered User Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: HBCA Posts: 159	Dam that is cheap, I stopped counting at 3K. Great Job! What did you do for a front driveshaft? __________________ '93 4runner 4WD/V6/5spd

12-13-2005, 01:55 PM	#15 (permalink)
NCSU-4runner Contributing Member Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Raleigh NC Posts: 1,599	it obviously can be done for cheap if you are willing to source/make alot of the parts yourself. Congrats on the low cost SAS. __________________ Jeremy, 94 4Runner Turbo Leaf Spring SAS front - Coilover 4link rear (starts December) / Supra Swap My Truck is featured on Supracharged.com - Home of the original Supra swap and Forum One of two things will happen, I will die, or the truck will be finished. I'm not sure which will be first.

12-14-2005, 08:36 AM	#16 (permalink)
Napoleon047 Registered User Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Columbia, MO Posts: 1,002	thanks guys the chem-dip i got at my local autozone. i usually just use spray cans of brake cleaner to clean parts, but $2/can adds up quickly. i bought this gallon can for $12 and it has a handy dip basket inside that makes cleaning parts a snap. read post #7 for driveshaft details __________________ -Peter 86 4runner SAS - Trail Rig 94 FZJ80 - DD the dirt cheap SAS Marko Customs

12-14-2005, 10:29 AM	#19 (permalink)
Flygtenstein Registered User Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Fort Collins, CO Posts: 4,257	I really dig this and it shows what you can do on a budget. That being said, you have a lot of resources and skill as far as making parts. Most people do not have that. Almost universally those who ask do not. Quite literally you are into the project for only parts, as in raw steel for the most part. I commend you for showing what a motivated and skilled swapper can do on a budget. For those going off the shelf, it is still possible, but parts like diff and the swap kit add up quick. __________________ Ease on down the road.

12-14-2005, 04:02 PM	#20 (permalink)
88yotatruck Registered User Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Waverly hall, ga Posts: 48	who's steering arms did you use???how did you make the ierod and draglink or who did you buy it from....what size tube and bolts did you use for the shackle through the frame??