Cheap diff lock alternative- what do you think?
11-19-2004, 08:58 AM
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Cheap diff lock alternative- what do you think?
My friend recently installed this in his lada niva-not a Toyota but the principle is the same.
He installed two handbrakes-one for each rear wheel
so when one wheel loses traction he pulls the handbrake and there you go -we tried it and works like a charm-same principle the mercedes ml uses-little more primitive but same.
I own 89 4 runner and ARB air locker is too expensive for me and no other lock is avalible in my country-so I'm planning to do the handbrake mod soon.
What do you think-can it be done?
PS.Sorry about gramatics
He installed two handbrakes-one for each rear wheel
so when one wheel loses traction he pulls the handbrake and there you go -we tried it and works like a charm-same principle the mercedes ml uses-little more primitive but same.I own 89 4 runner and ARB air locker is too expensive for me and no other lock is avalible in my country-so I'm planning to do the handbrake mod soon.
What do you think-can it be done?
PS.Sorry about gramatics
11-19-2004, 09:17 AM
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GhettoFABulous. 
Where are you going to mount the extra handle? So basically you're applying the break to the spinning wheel thats off the ground in order to "fool" the diff into powering the other wheel?
Where are you going to mount the extra handle? So basically you're applying the break to the spinning wheel thats off the ground in order to "fool" the diff into powering the other wheel?
11-19-2004, 09:17 AM
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Seems easier just to apply the stock handbrake and leave it engaged a few clicks, would probably work almost as well by putting some resistance on both tires- the poor man's locker. How would you know which wheel is spinning? Trying to drive and apply the right hand brake seems kind of tricky to me, but is an interesting idea.
11-19-2004, 01:36 PM
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Originally Posted by smiljko
My friend recently installed this in his lada niva-not a Toyota but the principle is the same.
He installed two handbrakes-one for each rear wheel so when one wheel loses traction he pulls the handbrake and there you go -we tried it and works like a charm-same principle the mercedes ml uses-little more primitive but same.
I own 89 4 runner and ARB air locker is too expensive for me and no other lock is avalible in my country-so I'm planning to do the handbrake mod soon.
What do you think-can it be done?
PS.Sorry about gramatics
He installed two handbrakes-one for each rear wheel
so when one wheel loses traction he pulls the handbrake and there you go -we tried it and works like a charm-same principle the mercedes ml uses-little more primitive but same.I own 89 4 runner and ARB air locker is too expensive for me and no other lock is avalible in my country-so I'm planning to do the handbrake mod soon.
What do you think-can it be done?
PS.Sorry about gramatics
It will work, but be REALLY careful if you use them for turning. Applying one of the steering brakes too fast is a invitation to roll over.
I will be interested in hearing how you implement it. On my truck, there is only one cable going to the back, then it hooks into a cable that parallels the axle to activate both ebrakes. You are going to have some fun fabricating mounts and routing two cables, but I don't see any reason it couldn't be done.
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You can coax even an open diff into providing more traction by just putting your left foot on the brake. (You need to learn this technique to get full use out of a conventional limited slip too...)
If you don't have a console or don't mind altering yours, the handbrake handle idea isn't too bad. Problem is knowing which wheel is spinning... Mount the handles to the floor between the seats, run two cables - one to each brake. Leave the stock park brake alone. With a little ingenuity it shouldn't be too difficult to do.
If you don't have a console or don't mind altering yours, the handbrake handle idea isn't too bad. Problem is knowing which wheel is spinning... Mount the handles to the floor between the seats, run two cables - one to each brake. Leave the stock park brake alone. With a little ingenuity it shouldn't be too difficult to do.
11-19-2004, 02:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Flamedx4
If you don't have a console or don't mind altering yours, the handbrake handle idea isn't too bad. Problem is knowing which wheel is spinning... Mount the handles to the floor between the seats, run two cables - one to each brake. Leave the stock park brake alone. With a little ingenuity it shouldn't be too difficult to do.
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11-19-2004, 02:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Mad Chemist
How would you know which wheel is spinning? Trying to drive and apply the right hand brake seems kind of tricky to me, but is an interesting idea.
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I got plans to do just that on my 84 Rock Project. Independent ebrakes for turnin round rocks and making the gate without hitting a cone or having to take 2 points for backing up. Not for brake biasing though. Have you considered having a YT member buy and send ya a lunchbox locker or is that not cost feasable either? How much is an ARB locker in Croatia?
11-23-2004, 11:48 PM
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Originally Posted by SloPoke
I got plans to do just that on my 84 Rock Project. Independent ebrakes for turnin round rocks and making the gate without hitting a cone or having to take 2 points for backing up. Not for brake biasing though. Have you considered having a YT member buy and send ya a lunchbox locker or is that not cost feasable either? How much is an ARB locker in Croatia?
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1200 for the locker?? Is that just one locker or locker and compressor, or both lockers and compressor?
ARB's run about $600-650 for the locker (each) and $200-300 for the compressor (depending on whit ones you go with). All uninstalled prices. You can get cheaper compressors though. The one I built for my buddies ARB front locker is out of a Lincoln Continentals air ride system. Total cost for complete install of the compressor was about $50 and that's switch, fittings, lines, the whole 9 yards. Only does the locker though. Nothing else. Does a great job too.
A pair of OME leafs run about $350 a pair. Nitro shocks can be had for $70 or so each. (More if you like) Add another $70 for the stabilizer and your up to 700-750. Add shipping and you won't be far off your price. Specially if yours in an installed price. Seems things are a bit higher over there but not enough higher to justify gettin' stuff shipped in from the states.
Got any Croatian wheelin' pics??? :bounce2:
ARB's run about $600-650 for the locker (each) and $200-300 for the compressor (depending on whit ones you go with). All uninstalled prices. You can get cheaper compressors though. The one I built for my buddies ARB front locker is out of a Lincoln Continentals air ride system. Total cost for complete install of the compressor was about $50 and that's switch, fittings, lines, the whole 9 yards. Only does the locker though. Nothing else. Does a great job too.
A pair of OME leafs run about $350 a pair. Nitro shocks can be had for $70 or so each. (More if you like) Add another $70 for the stabilizer and your up to 700-750. Add shipping and you won't be far off your price. Specially if yours in an installed price. Seems things are a bit higher over there but not enough higher to justify gettin' stuff shipped in from the states.
Got any Croatian wheelin' pics??? :bounce2:
11-25-2004, 07:43 AM
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Originally Posted by SloPoke
1200 for the locker?? Is that just one locker or locker and compressor, or both lockers and compressor?
ARB's run about $600-650 for the locker (each) and $200-300 for the compressor (depending on whit ones you go with). All uninstalled prices. You can get cheaper compressors though. The one I built for my buddies ARB front locker is out of a Lincoln Continentals air ride system. Total cost for complete install of the compressor was about $50 and that's switch, fittings, lines, the whole 9 yards. Only does the locker though. Nothing else. Does a great job too.
A pair of OME leafs run about $350 a pair. Nitro shocks can be had for $70 or so each. (More if you like) Add another $70 for the stabilizer and your up to 700-750. Add shipping and you won't be far off your price. Specially if yours in an installed price. Seems things are a bit higher over there but not enough higher to justify gettin' stuff shipped in from the states.
Got any Croatian wheelin' pics??? :bounce2:
ARB's run about $600-650 for the locker (each) and $200-300 for the compressor (depending on whit ones you go with). All uninstalled prices. You can get cheaper compressors though. The one I built for my buddies ARB front locker is out of a Lincoln Continentals air ride system. Total cost for complete install of the compressor was about $50 and that's switch, fittings, lines, the whole 9 yards. Only does the locker though. Nothing else. Does a great job too.
A pair of OME leafs run about $350 a pair. Nitro shocks can be had for $70 or so each. (More if you like) Add another $70 for the stabilizer and your up to 700-750. Add shipping and you won't be far off your price. Specially if yours in an installed price. Seems things are a bit higher over there but not enough higher to justify gettin' stuff shipped in from the states.
Got any Croatian wheelin' pics??? :bounce2:
Parts are more expensive because of high taxes,customs etc. , but service is much cheaper from what I see in the forum.
The prices above are without instalation ,but that's minor to what the suspension parts cost.And there are salary problems- good salary in Croatia is about 1000$ and what is apsurd -cars are much more expensive . I gave
7000$ bucks for my 89'yota
and that was very good price .Pics are coming soon-friend just bought digital camera.
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Originally Posted by ravencr
Would this be possible for the front end of our 3rd gens?
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I think there's a lot of engineering that's going to go into "turning brakes" in an effort to provide traction, and while it works in theory, it's not a practical alternative to even a cheap locker.
Can the turning brake idea, and buy a cheap used lock-rite... I'd be willing to be it'll be cheaper than your parking brake idea - seriously.
01-23-2005, 04:28 PM
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Originally Posted by ravencr
Where's the best place to get steering brakes? Any recommendations?
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there's another thread talking about hydraulic cutting brakes, they are very simple to install.
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Straight from here.
" For best prices and quick delivery, please contact your local parts distributor."
Actually, their website is rather lacking as they don't even have a Rep. or Distrubutor listing/link. I guess you'd have to call em to find out where to get em by you. That sucks. I guess they look at it as..."they may not know where to buy it but at least they'll know their part number."
I was quoted $140 for that particular 2 handle assembly (linked earlier) here locally.
" For best prices and quick delivery, please contact your local parts distributor."
Actually, their website is rather lacking as they don't even have a Rep. or Distrubutor listing/link. I guess you'd have to call em to find out where to get em by you. That sucks. I guess they look at it as..."they may not know where to buy it but at least they'll know their part number."
I was quoted $140 for that particular 2 handle assembly (linked earlier) here locally.
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