Rock carnage and roll cage ???

cpizzle42 · 11-09-2009, 11:05 PM

Okay first here are some pics of what I did last friday night after a little smack talk about if my truck could go up a hill called "half shaft hill". Long story short I made it up, and the guy talking crap about my IFS at camp did not( Pretty stock F-250). But here is what happened....

Hit up the the drivers side lower control arm pretty good.

damn rock sliders did not even touch. anyway I banged most of it out with a hammer and pry'd it back. I just hope it doesnt throw my rear suspension out of whack...

Also I am going to start building a internal roll cage pretty soon. Mostly so I can run two seats with 5 point belts. Has anyone done it on the 3rd gens? I know this place http://4xinnovations.com/pages/cages...hotos.htm#6RIC sells a kit for the 2nd gen, which would basically be the same deal with different dimensions.

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Elton · 11-09-2009, 11:11 PM

ouch id be happy with that than the stump and tree i got to meet with

cpizzle42 · 11-09-2009, 11:15 PM

Yeah this was only a 3 foot rock ledge, haha no big deal...

DC Hoerunner · 11-09-2009, 11:18 PM

yea got to get use to that those links hang down way too low in my opinion the way i got around it is 35s

toyota-erik · 11-10-2009, 06:06 AM

Upgrade time?

SC4Runner · 11-10-2009, 06:50 AM

Heh, that'l happen when going through rocky trails at night.. ;P

Seems like there would be an easier way to run 5 points without an entire internal cage. Why not do external? Would protect more stuff while going through all the work?

cpizzle42 · 11-10-2009, 08:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by toyota-erik

Upgrade time?

Possible, I am thinkin about cutting them off, and having my buddy cut me out new ones on his plasma cam. But I not sure if I could do that, and keep everything in alighment.

35's are on my mind, but I just need to decide if I want to do a body lift...

toyota-erik · 11-10-2009, 08:29 AM

IMHO body lifts are for posers and mall crawlers.
Ok...commence operation "Hate Mail"

troyboy162 · 11-10-2009, 11:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by toyota-erik

IMHO body lifts are for posers and mall crawlers.
Ok...commence operation "Hate Mail"

no hate mail lol but we have to due to the IFS. you can only get 3 inches of lift out of it or so. if you need more clearance you have to lift the body or cut weld alot.

i think youll see more body lifts in the future with the trend towards lower CG and using tires as a main component for lift.

cpizzle42 · 11-10-2009, 12:38 PM

you guys all think 4crawler body lifts are the way to go?

troyboy162 · 11-10-2009, 12:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cpizzle42

you guys all think 4crawler body lifts are the way to go?

i think they are the only one offering the 1.5" lift. i did the 1" and it works fine but i do still rub sometimes with 285 MTs. all the lifts are the same, just the price and height vary. your '96 will be missing a body mount in the middle. you can buy the body mount to weld in or go without like i have without issue

cpizzle42 · 11-10-2009, 01:02 PM

alright good to know

ESQ · 11-10-2009, 01:10 PM

Why not just armour the lca mount? Weld a piece of 3/16 bar stock to the leading edge.

Goin · 11-10-2009, 01:37 PM

I have thought about doing something like this, but with higher sides that can be welded to the frame.

toyota-erik · 11-10-2009, 04:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by troyboy162

i think youll see more body lifts in the future with the trend towards lower CG and using tires as a main component for lift.

I would like to see more of a trend toward alternitive body parts to gain tire clearance, i.e., high clearance, flared fiberglass fenders and box sides.
This is where Im starting with my 88 p/u.

SC4Runner · 11-10-2009, 08:08 PM

...Sawzall??

When I buy my beater PU, its going to be all upgraded axles, 37's and lots of cutting hehe.

crolison · 11-11-2009, 07:03 AM

If you do a BL keep it small 1", you don't need it to run 35's though, you just need to tub your firewall and trim.

Oh and while your gas tank is in one piece, I'd upgrade it.

This:

To This:

Also you're going to end up bending your tiny winy links, so I'd upgrade those too

Bent:

Beef:

cpizzle42 · 11-11-2009, 10:00 AM

I am def going to plate my gas tank skid plate like that! what do you mean tub my firewall? Maybe some pics of this?

pepsilvr · 11-11-2009, 10:45 AM

I like the gas tank skid plate fix! Last time out I beat the crap out of mine

What gauge steel did you use? I would almost put some holes in there so it doesn't become a trap for water, or worse, fuel vapor in case of any small leak.

crolison · 11-11-2009, 11:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cpizzle42

I am def going to plate my gas tank skid plate like that! what do you mean tub my firewall? Maybe some pics of this?

here you go, you basically just cut out part of your firewall by the tire and weld in new sheet metal for clearance. I'll be doing it to mine when I hit 35's

http://www.trailslesstraveled.com/ar...y-lift-height/

http://www.trailslesstraveled.com/news.php?id=48

Quote:

Originally Posted by pepsilvr

I like the gas tank skid plate fix! Last time out I beat the crap out of mine

What gauge steel did you use? I would almost put some holes in there so it doesn't become a trap for water, or worse, fuel vapor in case of any small leak.

It's 3/16ths now, It's not fully welded around it and there is a small gap where the tank changes slope. Water drains out of it. I'm not worried about rust, i should bash this one in or have moved the gas tank way before it rusts through.

FutureSEAL16 · 11-11-2009, 12:01 PM

I don't like the looks of an exterior roll cage so here's mine. It can get in the way sometimes but I still love it. It's the most up to date pics I have but I can take better ones if you would like. They'll have to wait until I get it back from the shop though.

murdarunna19 · 11-11-2009, 12:08 PM

i damaged my link similar to this thanks for postin so many great ideas guys very helpful.

Future thats a sick rig...

crolison · 11-11-2009, 12:21 PM

When I do my cage, mine will be a partial exo. Something minimal. I do wheel in trees, a lot of trees. They got my rear glass before, I'm wanting to chop the top like a 4 door truck or tube bed it at the same time.

Like this

or this

cpizzle42 · 11-11-2009, 06:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by crolison

here you go, you basically just cut out part of your firewall by the tire and weld in new sheet metal for clearance. I'll be doing it to mine when I hit 35's

http://www.trailslesstraveled.com/ar...y-lift-height/

http://www.trailslesstraveled.com/news.php?id=48

It's 3/16ths now, It's not fully welded around it and there is a small gap where the tank changes slope. Water drains out of it. I'm not worried about rust, i should bash this one in or have moved the gas tank way before it rusts through.

I will be doing all of this pretty soon. Awesome post man!

As for the roll cage in futures rig I like it, I would just do it to the full width of the truck, if that makes sense, espically in the back I would have it come pretty close to the trim peices on the sides. The way he did would be alot simplier to build though.

FutureSEAL16 · 11-11-2009, 11:46 PM

My way may be simpler but think about it first. The way I have it takes up alot of room and can make it hard to haul big things in the back because you have to work around the roll cage. I don't have any problems with it but like I said, I don't need to haul anything large in the back. The way you said will keep it more open in the back and may suit you better depending on your needs. If you consider what your needs will be, it will make your choice alot simpler.

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cpizzle42 Registered User Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Arizona Posts: 161	Yeah this was only a 3 foot rock ledge, haha no big deal... __________________ 1996 Runner limited, V6 4wd, 5sp 5.29 gears Suspension-Sway-a-way 2.5 coilovers and camburg uniball uppers,Sonoran steel 1.2 REAR kit,what is a sway-bar? Tires and wows-35x12.50 BFG KM2's on 15x8 black steels, cut fenders and firewall Misc-lock right in the rear, Cobra Cb, Viair On board air, Bud Bulit Skids, and BFH to infender wells, 55 watt rock lights, custom intake, flowmaster exhaust. 200K mile club! http://i255.photobucket.com/albums/h...h_D32_9144.jpg

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toyota-erik Registered User Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: M/V Midland & Biwabik MN Posts: 175	Upgrade time? __________________ 81 Toyota P/U, 22R with GotPropane kit, wheelbase stretched 5", bobbed box, narrowed tube frame from cab back, full exo, tube doors, Warn 9000i, 36" IROKs,TR bead locks, 4 link front, 3 link rear, Fox 2.0 16" all around. Rear axle is shaved, trussed, V6 3rd, CroMo axles, 4.88, full spool, and disc brakes. Front axle is trussed, HP 3rd, 4.88, 30spline Longfields, and a lunchbox locker. Full hydro Howe desert series race pump(reworked by PSC), CroMo steering arms, 4.7:1 t-case

11-10-2009, 06:50 AM	#6 (permalink)
SC4Runner Contributing Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: 5th Gen San Diegan, California Posts: 5,885	Heh, that'l happen when going through rocky trails at night.. ;P Seems like there would be an easier way to run 5 points without an entire internal cage. Why not do external? Would protect more stuff while going through all the work? __________________ 1996 4x4 3.4L 4Runner on 35's - 6" of lift, MTR's, E-locked, ARB Tacoma Bumper, Sliders and a cut off tail pipe. 1966 FJ40 - SOA with stock springs, stock 1F motor, and a smelly tailpipe. Last edited by SC4Runner; 11-10-2009 at 06:52 AM.

11-10-2009, 08:29 AM	#8 (permalink)
toyota-erik Registered User Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: M/V Midland & Biwabik MN Posts: 175	IMHO body lifts are for posers and mall crawlers. Ok...commence operation "Hate Mail" __________________ 81 Toyota P/U, 22R with GotPropane kit, wheelbase stretched 5", bobbed box, narrowed tube frame from cab back, full exo, tube doors, Warn 9000i, 36" IROKs,TR bead locks, 4 link front, 3 link rear, Fox 2.0 16" all around. Rear axle is shaved, trussed, V6 3rd, CroMo axles, 4.88, full spool, and disc brakes. Front axle is trussed, HP 3rd, 4.88, 30spline Longfields, and a lunchbox locker. Full hydro Howe desert series race pump(reworked by PSC), CroMo steering arms, 4.7:1 t-case

11-10-2009, 12:38 PM	#10 (permalink)
cpizzle42 Registered User Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Arizona Posts: 161	you guys all think 4crawler body lifts are the way to go? __________________ 1996 Runner limited, V6 4wd, 5sp 5.29 gears Suspension-Sway-a-way 2.5 coilovers and camburg uniball uppers,Sonoran steel 1.2 REAR kit,what is a sway-bar? Tires and wows-35x12.50 BFG KM2's on 15x8 black steels, cut fenders and firewall Misc-lock right in the rear, Cobra Cb, Viair On board air, Bud Bulit Skids, and BFH to infender wells, 55 watt rock lights, custom intake, flowmaster exhaust. 200K mile club! http://i255.photobucket.com/albums/h...h_D32_9144.jpg

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cpizzle42 Registered User Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Arizona Posts: 161	alright good to know __________________ 1996 Runner limited, V6 4wd, 5sp 5.29 gears Suspension-Sway-a-way 2.5 coilovers and camburg uniball uppers,Sonoran steel 1.2 REAR kit,what is a sway-bar? Tires and wows-35x12.50 BFG KM2's on 15x8 black steels, cut fenders and firewall Misc-lock right in the rear, Cobra Cb, Viair On board air, Bud Bulit Skids, and BFH to infender wells, 55 watt rock lights, custom intake, flowmaster exhaust. 200K mile club! http://i255.photobucket.com/albums/h...h_D32_9144.jpg

11-10-2009, 01:10 PM	#13 (permalink)
ESQ Registered User Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: British Columbia Posts: 179	Why not just armour the lca mount? Weld a piece of 3/16 bar stock to the leading edge. __________________ My Build Thread The 4Cruiser: 98 4Runner SR5, 5VZ-FE, Sonoran Steel 1.2, BCC custom swing-arm rear armour, full Budbuilts, 285/75R16 Goodyear Duratracs, extended diff breather, airbox deckplate, red LED cluster, console,Wabfab front discos, Warn M8000 winch, Shrockworks full hoop, PIAA 520s and 510s, Stubbs HD-SKO Sliders, External tran cooler, tundra brakes and 5.29s and ARB lockers next

11-10-2009, 01:37 PM	#14 (permalink)
Goin Registered User Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Christiansburg, VA Posts: 141	I have thought about doing something like this, but with higher sides that can be welded to the frame. __________________ 2001 4Runner SR5 - Painted LC Wheels, 285 MTZ, and Toytec all OME 3" Lift

11-10-2009, 08:08 PM	#16 (permalink)
SC4Runner Contributing Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: 5th Gen San Diegan, California Posts: 5,885	...Sawzall?? When I buy my beater PU, its going to be all upgraded axles, 37's and lots of cutting hehe. __________________ 1996 4x4 3.4L 4Runner on 35's - 6" of lift, MTR's, E-locked, ARB Tacoma Bumper, Sliders and a cut off tail pipe. 1966 FJ40 - SOA with stock springs, stock 1F motor, and a smelly tailpipe.

11-11-2009, 07:03 AM	#17 (permalink)
crolison Registered User Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: knoxville, tn Posts: 2,279	If you do a BL keep it small 1", you don't need it to run 35's though, you just need to tub your firewall and trim. Oh and while your gas tank is in one piece, I'd upgrade it. This: To This: Also you're going to end up bending your tiny winy links, so I'd upgrade those too Bent: Beef: __________________ 97 4runner, 2.7 5speed 4wd, 5.29, 33 horns armor locked lifted heavy SOB broken front and rear swaybars My Profile.. Last edited by crolison; 11-11-2009 at 07:06 AM.

11-11-2009, 10:00 AM	#18 (permalink)
cpizzle42 Registered User Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Arizona Posts: 161	I am def going to plate my gas tank skid plate like that! what do you mean tub my firewall? Maybe some pics of this? __________________ 1996 Runner limited, V6 4wd, 5sp 5.29 gears Suspension-Sway-a-way 2.5 coilovers and camburg uniball uppers,Sonoran steel 1.2 REAR kit,what is a sway-bar? Tires and wows-35x12.50 BFG KM2's on 15x8 black steels, cut fenders and firewall Misc-lock right in the rear, Cobra Cb, Viair On board air, Bud Bulit Skids, and BFH to infender wells, 55 watt rock lights, custom intake, flowmaster exhaust. 200K mile club! http://i255.photobucket.com/albums/h...h_D32_9144.jpg

11-11-2009, 10:45 AM	#19 (permalink)
pepsilvr Registered User Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Manhattan, IL Posts: 46	I like the gas tank skid plate fix! Last time out I beat the crap out of mine What gauge steel did you use? I would almost put some holes in there so it doesn't become a trap for water, or worse, fuel vapor in case of any small leak. __________________ --------------------- 97 4runner SR5 4XInnovations Sliders, E-locker, Lift 04 4Runner SR5 4.7L V8 No mods... yet Last edited by pepsilvr; 11-11-2009 at 10:50 AM.

11-11-2009, 12:01 PM	#21 (permalink)
FutureSEAL16 Registered User Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Dewey, AZ Posts: 19	I don't like the looks of an exterior roll cage so here's mine. It can get in the way sometimes but I still love it. It's the most up to date pics I have but I can take better ones if you would like. They'll have to wait until I get it back from the shop though.

11-11-2009, 12:08 PM	#22 (permalink)
murdarunna19 Registered User Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: seattle Posts: 328	i damaged my link similar to this thanks for postin so many great ideas guys very helpful. Future thats a sick rig... __________________ Matt D 2000 4runner. supercharged, flowmaster, 3" toytec lift, sitting on BFG 33's. 2009 fj, arb bumper, warn winch, bfg ats, 2" lift, IPFs. 4runner Build - http://www.yotatech.com/f191/murdaru...thread-190270/

11-11-2009, 12:21 PM	#23 (permalink)
crolison Registered User Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: knoxville, tn Posts: 2,279	When I do my cage, mine will be a partial exo. Something minimal. I do wheel in trees, a lot of trees. They got my rear glass before, I'm wanting to chop the top like a 4 door truck or tube bed it at the same time. Like this or this or this __________________ 97 4runner, 2.7 5speed 4wd, 5.29, 33 horns armor locked lifted heavy SOB broken front and rear swaybars My Profile..

11-11-2009, 11:46 PM	#25 (permalink)
FutureSEAL16 Registered User Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Dewey, AZ Posts: 19	My way may be simpler but think about it first. The way I have it takes up alot of room and can make it hard to haul big things in the back because you have to work around the roll cage. I don't have any problems with it but like I said, I don't need to haul anything large in the back. The way you said will keep it more open in the back and may suit you better depending on your needs. If you consider what your needs will be, it will make your choice alot simpler.

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