opinions of super swampers

sdf1Runner · 08-23-2004, 10:36 AM

hi, my name is sdf1 and i'm a toyota-holic. i'm a newbie to the forum. i've just recently bought my 2nd runner about 3mo. ago. it's a 2nd gen, a 95 had a 86 til i done got it all smashed up! my 95 is in need of some new tires. i like the way the super swampers look specifically the trxus M/T Radials but don't know how the ride. right now i have 31x10.5 15" dunlop A/T.
need some professional oppinons and recommendations.

sdf1

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kyle_22r · 08-23-2004, 11:30 AM

just speaking from my experience from swamper LTBs(bias), i'll never run anything else on my truck

Brendan · 08-23-2004, 11:39 AM

the trxus m/t isn't a swamper, it's a mud tire, hence the name. i personally would not put swampers on my truck unless it was being used frequently offroad (like multiple times weekly). They wear very fast on the road and are terrible in rain and compact snow. With the high cost of them, I'd much rather have the M/T.

EWAYota · 08-23-2004, 11:40 AM

if you can afford 2 sets of tires i would get a pair of swampers, and get something else for on road, but if its a daily driver, i wouldn't.

Jboy · 08-23-2004, 11:58 AM

I had the SSR on my 4Runner and I`ll never use them again, it`s a 2ply sidewall and that was the first thing that cut when I went crawling. I also had the bias (standard) swampers on my first pup and talk about loud, annoying noisy tires. Really rough riding to! IMO radial mud tires are the way to go. Less noise, smoother highway running, and last a whole lot longer. IE: BFG M/T or Goodyear MT/R

COYOTA $x$ · 08-23-2004, 12:06 PM

I had the SSR's and had all kinds of problems... balancing, blowouts, etc I wouldnt recommend them to anyone.

The TRXUS MT is getting better reviews though (for an Interco Tire), although it is listed as a heavy tire so that makes me wonder if there is going to be issues of balancing.

sdf1Runner · 08-23-2004, 12:39 PM

sounds like the super swampers aren't worth the trouble. figure if i'm going to drop over $500 on tires, better get 2nd opinons. thanks guys!

Ride · 08-23-2004, 02:44 PM

For hard offroading bias is the way to go for sure. I have 34 inch LTB's on my truck and they handle whatever is thrown at them. But if you are driving alot on the highway and not thumping hard on your truck off road, radials are more than adequate. Just make sure you do a lot of question asking about all types of M/T's. There's alot of knockoffs out there.

Poor A$$ Stock '93 · 08-23-2004, 07:50 PM

I currently have a set of Hankook RT01 m/ts on my truck and I love them. They are aggressive offroad, strong, super quiet on road (for a m/t), and wear well. Best of all they are pretty cheap too. Best bang for the buck I have found so far for a daily driver/weekend warrior type rig.

If you are looking a getting into more hardcore offroad stuff then TSLs or similar are a great tire. If you are buying tires based mostly on looks then you will probably hate bias plys on the highway enven though they are better and generally stronger offroad.

WolfpackTLC · 08-23-2004, 08:58 PM

I've run SX's and regular TSL's on my trail rigs... NEVER on a daily driver, unless you're a glutton for punishment. Bias ply tires don't stay round unless they're in motion...

BUT... IROK's and SX's will kick your run of the mill MT all over the trail... YES, this goes for MT/R's and BFG M/T's too!!! Yeah, yeah, yeah... but so-and-so runs MT/R's on such-and such.. Sorry... but for MY type of wheeling, MT/R's don't self clean well.... SX's and/or IROK's will more than likely be my tire of choice...

That also said, I currently have 35" MT/R's on my 80, BUT, I'm switching to some IROK's as soon as they wear down enough.... woo hoo...

superjoe83 · 08-23-2004, 09:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WolfpackTLC

IROK's and SX's will kick your run of the mill MT all over the trail... YES, this goes for MT/R's and BFG M/T's too!!!

i will drink to that

934rnr · 08-23-2004, 09:22 PM

I run el cheapo mud king xt's they work fine for me on and off trail. This is my 2nd time buying them and I like them.
I wish I had waited though they came out with a new sidewall design on them this year.
The nice part mud kings are made by cavilier a spin off company of BFG so you get a older BFG tread design it a pretty good tire for the money.
They gouge like all other radials offroad but they are alot less expensive I got my 33x12.50's for about $100 a peice.

My friend runs swamper boggers they are great offroad hands down but he runs them on MRT Beadlocks he takes it strictly offroad he will not drive it in the winter with those tires on it unless it's really deep snow. most Bias ply swampers are not for your average daily driver so a radial is more desireable. I think I am just repeating what other have said here. It is clearly up to you what style of driving you consistantly do so make a choice based on it.

EWAYota · 08-23-2004, 09:23 PM

can you get iroks in a 35?

Brendan · 08-23-2004, 10:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by EWAYota

can you get iroks in a 35?

http://www.intercotire.com/html/irok.htm

EWAYota · 08-23-2004, 10:34 PM

underdevolpment, thought so, and i dont have a large enough rim for those suckers, but i do for a 36!

kyle_22r · 08-23-2004, 11:49 PM

i think those smaller irok sizes are mainly geared for the mall crawler crowd, who would run a 33" tire on 20" wheels?

WolfpackTLC · 08-24-2004, 08:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kyle_22r

i think those smaller irok sizes are mainly geared for the mall crawler crowd, who would run a 33" tire on 20" wheels?

Someone that wanted a low side wall height and didn't need anything larger than a 33" tire. (for clearance issues, or whatever else. Interco has NEVER catered to the mall crawler crowd... ok.. maybe w/ that stupid Thornbird tire... but other than that! )

Oh... and Boggers are great for MUD, but have ZERO lateral traction. Scary when sidehilling!

RalleRunner · 08-24-2004, 10:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Poor A$$ Stock '93

I currently have a set of Hankook RT01 m/ts on my truck and I love them. They are aggressive offroad, strong, super quiet on road (for a m/t), and wear well. Best of all they are pretty cheap too. Best bang for the buck I have found so far for a daily driver/weekend warrior type rig.

How much would you say a 32" Hankook dynamic mt goes for? And did you ordered yours or got em at a tire shop?

sdf1Runner · 08-24-2004, 10:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RalleRunner

How much would you say a 32" Hankook dynamic mt goes for? And did you ordered yours or got em at a tire shop?

good question! i'd like to know the answer to that.

RalleRunner · 08-24-2004, 10:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WolfpackTLC

That also said, I currently have 35" MT/R's on my 80, BUT, I'm switching to some IROK's as soon as they wear down enough.... woo hoo...

There's an H2 in Truckin' SUV with 49" IRok's. I think its built by NASA for their upcoming Mars expedition. HS is it big!! That thing will make any of our yotas look like Toys... :cry:

WolfpackTLC · 08-24-2004, 12:09 PM

IMHO anything with tires that big (that's a street/trail purpose vehicle) is just that... a TOY. A local guy has a F250 on 49" IROKS, and trust me... it's ALL for show..

jht3 · 08-24-2004, 01:22 PM

i ran a set of TSL radials for a couple years. 33x10.50's. awesome tire offroad. took my mostly stock 4runner everywhere i wanted it to go.

yea they wore down quicker than street tires would, but i didnt notice anything crazy. i adjusted my driving style to prevent too much wear and tear. on the highway they were damn loud. as long as i kept them balanced and rotated i didn't have much of a problem with vibrations.

don't think i'd do it again as i see much more pavement time than i used to. and i think i paid about $100 a tire, very cheap if you ask me.

Fahrenheit 451 · 08-24-2004, 04:50 PM

Pretty much what people have said already, if you are going to be doing LOTS of offroading swampers are popular. If you take them on the road, they practically melt away.
A tire that never gets any attention, that I have had in the past that makes for both pretty decent on and offroad useability and decent price are Goodyear Workhorse Exrta Grips. Here is a link for them:

http://www.goodyeartires.com/goodyea...ea=Light+Truck

I got an easy 62k out of my set. That isn't a typo. 62,000 miles with no problems. The only knock I had against them was at highway speeds they had an odd feel to them going into turns like they preferred going straight. Otherwise, jump on the popularity boat and get a set of Wrangler MT/Rs. I love mine, but they are more expensive.

joez · 08-24-2004, 05:48 PM

i prefer the road characteristics of my bias 36" TSL's to my radial 33" BFG's. They ride smoother, and i like the hum of my tires. Ill never buy anything that doesnt say "Interco" on the sidewall again

I dont have personal experience with the trXus M/T's, but know a couple people who run them, and they like them. They are still just an MT, but they handle good on road and in rain, and they wear well.

08-23-2004, 11:30 AM	#2 (permalink)
kyle_22r Registered User Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Lacey, WA Posts: 3,992	just speaking from my experience from swamper LTBs(bias), i'll never run anything else on my truck __________________ 1998 tacoma, 3RZ-FE, 5 speed, 30x9.5R15 M/Ts past toys: 1984 4x2 1979 4x4 1991 4x4

08-23-2004, 11:39 AM	#3 (permalink)
Brendan Contributing Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Vancouver, BC Posts: 2,117	the trxus m/t isn't a swamper, it's a mud tire, hence the name. i personally would not put swampers on my truck unless it was being used frequently offroad (like multiple times weekly). They wear very fast on the road and are terrible in rain and compact snow. With the high cost of them, I'd much rather have the M/T. __________________ 1992 "Truck" 1978 Land Cruiser FJ40 pig and elephant DNA just won't splice :( *DO NOT CLICK HERE*

08-23-2004, 11:40 AM	#4 (permalink)
EWAYota Contributing Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Richland, Washington Posts: 4,597	if you can afford 2 sets of tires i would get a pair of swampers, and get something else for on road, but if its a daily driver, i wouldn't. __________________ DJ 1994 Pickup 22RE, Engnbldr 261 cam, 5 speed. Tires that go around and around... Preping for SAS...... Originally Posted By Fustercluck "Proof that Gangus did not spontaneously generate....he has relatives." Originally Posted By Tacoclimber "My two year old better get a job, soon..." Reply Posted By Oly884 "I hear coal mining is a great career." Myspace

08-23-2004, 11:58 AM	#5 (permalink)
Jboy Registered User Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Hawaiian Islands Posts: 392	I had the SSR on my 4Runner and I`ll never use them again, it`s a 2ply sidewall and that was the first thing that cut when I went crawling. I also had the bias (standard) swampers on my first pup and talk about loud, annoying noisy tires. Really rough riding to! IMO radial mud tires are the way to go. Less noise, smoother highway running, and last a whole lot longer. IE: BFG M/T or Goodyear MT/R __________________ 2000 4Runner 2" lift, not Frankenstruts, OME 906 rear springs/OME shocks MT/R 285/75R16 on AR Atlas 16x8 Offroad Solutions Manual Hubs kit

08-23-2004, 12:06 PM	#6 (permalink)
COYOTA $x$ Registered User Join Date: May 2004 Location: ARIZONA Posts: 441	I had the SSR's and had all kinds of problems... balancing, blowouts, etc I wouldnt recommend them to anyone. The TRXUS MT is getting better reviews though (for an Interco Tire), although it is listed as a heavy tire so that makes me wonder if there is going to be issues of balancing. __________________ Robb '99 4Runner "Highlander" V6, Auto, 4.30 E-locker. \| 1" BL \| Stubbs Sliders \| SSF LLC Rear Bumper and Custom Racks \| SSF LLC Trac Bar \| '96-'98 TJM17 with SSF LLC Enhancements, Winch \| 8" 130watt lights \| Extended LoadWarrior with attachments \| Custom Audio \| OME N91S/CornFed 2", Diff Drop \| OME 892/N86, SSF LLC Bumpstops \| 285/75 Yoko Geo ATII+ \| Work In Progress -> Dual Odyssey Batts (STILL!)

08-23-2004, 12:39 PM	#7 (permalink)
sdf1Runner Contributing Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: New Mexico Posts: 12	sounds like the super swampers aren't worth the trouble. figure if i'm going to drop over $500 on tires, better get 2nd opinons. thanks guys!

08-23-2004, 02:44 PM	#8 (permalink)
Ride Registered User Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Prince George, BC Posts: 11	For hard offroading bias is the way to go for sure. I have 34 inch LTB's on my truck and they handle whatever is thrown at them. But if you are driving alot on the highway and not thumping hard on your truck off road, radials are more than adequate. Just make sure you do a lot of question asking about all types of M/T's. There's alot of knockoffs out there. __________________ Life sucks, get a freakin' helmet. Are you on Team IFS???

08-23-2004, 07:50 PM	#9 (permalink)
Poor A$$ Stock '93 Registered User Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Prince George, BC, Canada 'eh Posts: 85	I currently have a set of Hankook RT01 m/ts on my truck and I love them. They are aggressive offroad, strong, super quiet on road (for a m/t), and wear well. Best of all they are pretty cheap too. Best bang for the buck I have found so far for a daily driver/weekend warrior type rig. If you are looking a getting into more hardcore offroad stuff then TSLs or similar are a great tire. If you are buying tires based mostly on looks then you will probably hate bias plys on the highway enven though they are better and generally stronger offroad.

08-23-2004, 08:58 PM	#10 (permalink)
WolfpackTLC Registered User Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Raleigh, NC Posts: 828	I've run SX's and regular TSL's on my trail rigs... NEVER on a daily driver, unless you're a glutton for punishment. Bias ply tires don't stay round unless they're in motion... BUT... IROK's and SX's will kick your run of the mill MT all over the trail... YES, this goes for MT/R's and BFG M/T's too!!! Yeah, yeah, yeah... but so-and-so runs MT/R's on such-and such.. Sorry... but for MY type of wheeling, MT/R's don't self clean well.... SX's and/or IROK's will more than likely be my tire of choice... That also said, I currently have 35" MT/R's on my 80, BUT, I'm switching to some IROK's as soon as they wear down enough.... woo hoo... __________________ 1995 Land Cruiser -ARB'd, OME'D, Slee'd, Warn'd, lifted, locked, dented, WHEELED.

08-23-2004, 09:22 PM	#12 (permalink)
934rnr Registered User Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: S. Burlington, VT Posts: 1,240	I run el cheapo mud king xt's they work fine for me on and off trail. This is my 2nd time buying them and I like them. I wish I had waited though they came out with a new sidewall design on them this year. The nice part mud kings are made by cavilier a spin off company of BFG so you get a older BFG tread design it a pretty good tire for the money. They gouge like all other radials offroad but they are alot less expensive I got my 33x12.50's for about $100 a peice. My friend runs swamper boggers they are great offroad hands down but he runs them on MRT Beadlocks he takes it strictly offroad he will not drive it in the winter with those tires on it unless it's really deep snow. most Bias ply swampers are not for your average daily driver so a radial is more desireable. I think I am just repeating what other have said here. It is clearly up to you what style of driving you consistantly do so make a choice based on it. __________________ 86 Toyota 4 runner Soild front axle, 35x12.5 BFG KM2's, winch, blah blah blah.... http://www.yotatech.com/f116/my-new-red-snappah-152938/ My cardomain page Last edited by 934rnr; 08-23-2004 at 09:34 PM.

08-23-2004, 09:23 PM	#13 (permalink)
EWAYota Contributing Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Richland, Washington Posts: 4,597	can you get iroks in a 35? __________________ DJ 1994 Pickup 22RE, Engnbldr 261 cam, 5 speed. Tires that go around and around... Preping for SAS...... Originally Posted By Fustercluck "Proof that Gangus did not spontaneously generate....he has relatives." Originally Posted By Tacoclimber "My two year old better get a job, soon..." Reply Posted By Oly884 "I hear coal mining is a great career." Myspace

08-23-2004, 10:34 PM	#15 (permalink)
EWAYota Contributing Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Richland, Washington Posts: 4,597	underdevolpment, thought so, and i dont have a large enough rim for those suckers, but i do for a 36! __________________ DJ 1994 Pickup 22RE, Engnbldr 261 cam, 5 speed. Tires that go around and around... Preping for SAS...... Originally Posted By Fustercluck "Proof that Gangus did not spontaneously generate....he has relatives." Originally Posted By Tacoclimber "My two year old better get a job, soon..." Reply Posted By Oly884 "I hear coal mining is a great career." Myspace

08-23-2004, 11:49 PM	#16 (permalink)
kyle_22r Registered User Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Lacey, WA Posts: 3,992	i think those smaller irok sizes are mainly geared for the mall crawler crowd, who would run a 33" tire on 20" wheels? __________________ 1998 tacoma, 3RZ-FE, 5 speed, 30x9.5R15 M/Ts past toys: 1984 4x2 1979 4x4 1991 4x4

08-24-2004, 12:09 PM	#21 (permalink)
WolfpackTLC Registered User Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Raleigh, NC Posts: 828	IMHO anything with tires that big (that's a street/trail purpose vehicle) is just that... a TOY. A local guy has a F250 on 49" IROKS, and trust me... it's ALL for show.. __________________ 1995 Land Cruiser -ARB'd, OME'D, Slee'd, Warn'd, lifted, locked, dented, WHEELED.

08-24-2004, 01:22 PM	#22 (permalink)
jht3 Registered User Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Alexandria, VA Posts: 125	i ran a set of TSL radials for a couple years. 33x10.50's. awesome tire offroad. took my mostly stock 4runner everywhere i wanted it to go. yea they wore down quicker than street tires would, but i didnt notice anything crazy. i adjusted my driving style to prevent too much wear and tear. on the highway they were damn loud. as long as i kept them balanced and rotated i didn't have much of a problem with vibrations. don't think i'd do it again as i see much more pavement time than i used to. and i think i paid about $100 a tire, very cheap if you ask me.

08-24-2004, 04:50 PM	#23 (permalink)
Fahrenheit 451 Registered User Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: western Colorado Posts: 590	Pretty much what people have said already, if you are going to be doing LOTS of offroading swampers are popular. If you take them on the road, they practically melt away. A tire that never gets any attention, that I have had in the past that makes for both pretty decent on and offroad useability and decent price are Goodyear Workhorse Exrta Grips. Here is a link for them: http://www.goodyeartires.com/goodyea...ea=Light+Truck I got an easy 62k out of my set. That isn't a typo. 62,000 miles with no problems. The only knock I had against them was at highway speeds they had an odd feel to them going into turns like they preferred going straight. Otherwise, jump on the popularity boat and get a set of Wrangler MT/Rs. I love mine, but they are more expensive.

08-24-2004, 05:48 PM	#24 (permalink)
joez Contributing Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Elwood, Il Posts: 1,253	i prefer the road characteristics of my bias 36" TSL's to my radial 33" BFG's. They ride smoother, and i like the hum of my tires. Ill never buy anything that doesnt say "Interco" on the sidewall again I dont have personal experience with the trXus M/T's, but know a couple people who run them, and they like them. They are still just an MT, but they handle good on road and in rain, and they wear well. __________________ -Joe Z Chicago 4x4 My Webshots 1985 Toyota 4Runner, 3" Trail Gear rear/ All-Pro front springs, 42x14 IROK's, Allied Rockathons, spool rear/detroit front, 30 spline longs, Dual cases w/4.7, Marlin High steer, lots of other stuff.. 1997 Dodge 2500 4x4, 12valve CTD, not stock.

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