99+ Fog Lights are junk. - Page 2

GOH10 Runner · 01-27-2008, 11:57 AM

^thats what I thought too, I ran the 9003 version in my old 4Runner and they were great....are H3 bulbs fragile?

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2000t4rAKS · 01-27-2008, 12:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ian Rogers

Austin, I am running relays on all my lights (high beams, Low beams, Fog lights) I think just replacing the bulb is asking for trouble, the trucks are under wired as it is. Over loading the harness is just asking for it. It is super simple to wire in relays.

Ian

Ian,

I was curious on how you wired up your all the lights. I agree the Runners are under wired. I wanna know how you wired them up to the relays? So far, I have upgraded my head lights with a higher wattage bulb, but I UPGRADED the wiring. By upgrading, I just bought a wiring harness that was made with a thicker gauge wires that connected between the new higher wattage bulb and the stock wiring harness. Please enlighten me on how you have yours setup. Thanks.

austin

GOH10 Runner · 01-27-2008, 12:58 PM

I don't even know what to do, I just replaced the left fog with a regular halogen H3 and that one wont work at all. So now the whole fog light won't work.

hillbilly · 01-27-2008, 02:29 PM

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Originally Posted by GOH10 Runner

I don't even know what to do, I just replaced the left fog with a regular halogen H3 and that one wont work at all. So now the whole fog light won't work.

Check your bulbs ground connection. If there's corrosion where the bulb flange touches the lamp housing, it will keep the bulb from coming on. Use some fine sand paper or wire brush to clean them up. Once they're clean, you might want to put some anti-corrosion grease (stuff you use on battery terminals) on the contact points to slow the broke down a bit. Check all the connections for corrosion too.

pfdaxe:
I've got a couple side-by-side pics of both my old OEM lights and the new ones. I'll post up tomorrow (can't get to my hosting site til then). The H3 bulbs mount from the rear on both the new and the old OEM set.

ojhk · 01-27-2008, 04:01 PM

What is lamin-x? What does it do? Were can i get it?

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Originally Posted by cackalak han

Nice find Hillbilly! I'd also suggest protecting the lens with some thick protectant like lamin-x or the likes. One of my fogs has a cracked lens from road debris.

hillbilly · 01-28-2008, 05:21 AM

Here some shots of the new vs. old OEMs:

I repainted everything, and its all remounted. I decided to re-use the OEM connector with the new rubber boot which covers the rear of the lamp body since the old one was full of corrosion. So, I cut off the Hella connector and soldered the OEM Toy connector on (didn't want to rewire the whole truck).

KZN185W · 01-28-2008, 05:30 AM

those look different from the stock fog lamps. also the stock fogs are made by Koito, not Hella.

got this pic from another thread here in YotaTech:

hillbilly · 01-28-2008, 05:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KZN185W

those look different from the stock fog lamps. also the stock fogs are made by Koito, not Hella.

got this pic from another thread here in YotaTech:

According to the photo name you've posted, those are from a 99-02 4Runner. But mine '01 fogs don't look like that and I ordered my fogs from the dealer 6-7 years ago?!?

Mine look like these.

After searching trdparts4u's replacement parts, maybe there's a different between "Dealer Installed" and "Factory Installed".

KZN185W · 01-28-2008, 05:54 AM

Part numbers for the stock fogs are:
81220-35030 (LH)
81210-35050 (RH)

got this pic from the Toyota EPC:

pfdaxe · 01-28-2008, 06:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hillbilly

Here some shots of the new vs. old OEMs:

I repainted everything, and its all remounted. I decided to re-use the OEM connector with the new rubber boot which covers the rear of the lamp body since the old one was full of corrosion. So, I cut off the Hella connector and soldered the OEM Toy connector on (didn't want to rewire the whole truck).

Yeah....those are dealer installed fogs...

KZN185W · 01-28-2008, 06:13 AM

I agree that those are indeed dealer-installed, not factory-installed. Per the EPC, the part numbers for the fogs are the same for both the Limited and SR5 model grades.

2000t4rAKS · 01-28-2008, 06:23 AM

I would have to agree with KZN185W because I looked into changing mine out with the Hellas but they are not Hellas...they are Koito. But then again, it could be model and year specific....I have a 2000 Limited. So question becomes...can I replace the FACTORY fog lights with these:

http://www.rallylights.com/hella/Micro_DE.asp#4runner
Part number: HL74560

Or am I gonna have to order them from the dealer???

pfdaxe · 01-28-2008, 06:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 2000t4rAKS

I would have to agree with KZN185W because I looked into changing mine out with the Hellas but they are not Hellas...they are Koito. But then again, it could be model and year specific....I have a 2000 Limited. So question becomes...can I replace the FACTORY fog lights with these:

http://www.rallylights.com/hella/Micro_DE.asp#4runner
Part number: HL74560

Or am I gonna have to order them from the dealer???

Those will work....

pfdaxe · 01-30-2008, 07:47 AM

I may install the H3c HID bulbs versus the H3 bulbs to maintain the same focal point. By using the longer H3 hid bulb, my beam pattern and/or cut off maybe affected. Thoughts??

Fo_SheeZy · 01-30-2008, 09:27 AM

So you can for sure fit HID's in the Micro DE Hella's?

pfdaxe · 01-30-2008, 09:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fo_SheeZy

So you can for sure fit HID's in the Micro DE Hella's?

Yep...You must have a short memory as you asked this on the other post about these fogs

http://www.yotatech.com/f2/hella-mic...models-135563/

Andrey · 01-31-2008, 07:33 AM

In case anyone is interestered, I have the fog lights housing available for sale. PM or e-mail me for more details.

http://www.yotatech.com/f109/fs-hell...housing-87827/

BigJohn · 02-03-2008, 08:47 PM

i had the piaa extreme 2 inch driving lights installed in 2001 and they still work great

element · 02-03-2008, 10:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GOH10 Runner

I don't even know what to do, I just replaced the left fog with a regular halogen H3 and that one wont work at all. So now the whole fog light won't work.

Double check and make sure that you didn't pinch the wire when you put it back together.

I had to replace one (rock magnet) and they looked like the unit below. I bought a TYC brand version of the light that "meets or exceeds OE quality" for $90. Got it out the door from a body shop.

Quote:

Originally Posted by KZN185W

Fo_SheeZy · 02-12-2008, 09:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pfdaxe

Yep...You must have a short memory as you asked this on the other post about these fogs

http://www.yotatech.com/f2/hella-mic...models-135563/

Haha man, I feel like an idiot..

I tend to forget things very easily, and it happens quite often.

pfdaxe · 02-12-2008, 09:19 PM

I mounted my Hella DE's tonight with H3 HID bulbs. I still need to wire the ballasts and connect to original wires. I did a quick connect to compare light output and it was amazingly brighter

Fo_SheeZy · 02-12-2008, 10:10 PM

I received my HID's today so I'll be ordering some Hella Micro DE's first thing tomorrow morning! Let me know where you mount your ballast.

pfdaxe · 02-14-2008, 09:56 PM

I finished the install of my Hella Micro DE HID fogs. I went with H3 HID bulbs versus the H3C. The focal point on the H3 HID bulb lined up well with the OEM H3 bulb. I'm very happy with the way they look on the road giving excellent foreground illumination. I could adjust and get a sharper cut-off, but it won't matter with the HID headlights. Should blend in nicely. Can't wait to add my HID projector to the mix...

H3 HID vs H3 OEM halogen:

Looking up at mounted fog:

Mounted fog:

Only fogs...no headlights:

Another shot only fogs:

Lit up:

Price for this mod (upgrade):

Hella Micro DE Fogs w/4Runner specific mounts: $120 shipped (Thanks Mike-Boomin850)

H3 HID PnP kit: $75 shipped

$195 total is not too bad

X-AWDriver · 02-14-2008, 10:20 PM

Nice job.

Fo_SheeZy · 02-15-2008, 12:03 AM

Damn that looks good! Too bad Amazon is currently sold out of the Hella Micro DE's... Does anyone know of any other websites where they are less than $100?

01-27-2008, 12:58 PM	#28 (permalink)
GOH10 Runner Registered User Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Dayton, OH Posts: 229	I don't even know what to do, I just replaced the left fog with a regular halogen H3 and that one wont work at all. So now the whole fog light won't work. __________________ Aaron 03 Silver Limited 4WD w/ XREAS SOLD: 99 Black 4Runner SR5 4WD aka TJ SOLD: 98 Anthracite Limited 4WD 98 Land Cruiser

01-28-2008, 05:21 AM	#31 (permalink)
hillbilly Contributing Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Lat: 40° 47' 01" Long:-78° 00' 58" Posts: 756	New vs old comparison pics. Here some shots of the new vs. old OEMs: I repainted everything, and its all remounted. I decided to re-use the OEM connector with the new rubber boot which covers the rear of the lamp body since the old one was full of corrosion. So, I cut off the Hella connector and soldered the OEM Toy connector on (didn't want to rewire the whole truck). __________________ -Scott '01 Black SR5 4x4 w/ Black Pearl's: Detroit Truetrac \| Tundra/OME 890s w/ Tokico Trekmasters \| SS Diff Drop/Panhard \| Tundra rotors/calipers \| Rear Diff Breather Extension \| Hayden cooler \| K&N \| ISR \| Deckplate \| Jet Black PC'd LC 16x8's w/ LT265/75R16 Cooper S/T's "He who wants to protect everything, protects nothing." -Lt. Gen. Adolf Galland, Luftwaffe "There is no instance of a country having benefited from prolonged warfare." -Sun Tzu, The Art of War Last edited by hillbilly; 01-28-2008 at 05:25 AM.

01-28-2008, 05:30 AM	#32 (permalink)
KZN185W Registered User Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 692	those look different from the stock fog lamps. also the stock fogs are made by Koito, not Hella. got this pic from another thread here in YotaTech: __________________ 1996 Pearl White Hilux Surf KZN185W SSR-G l 3.0L TDI l Dual Battery l LT285/75R16 l Recaro Seats Drive Your Dreams

01-28-2008, 05:54 AM	#34 (permalink)
KZN185W Registered User Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 692	Part numbers for the stock fogs are: 81220-35030 (LH) 81210-35050 (RH) got this pic from the Toyota EPC: __________________ 1996 Pearl White Hilux Surf KZN185W SSR-G l 3.0L TDI l Dual Battery l LT285/75R16 l Recaro Seats Drive Your Dreams

01-28-2008, 06:13 AM	#36 (permalink)
KZN185W Registered User Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 692	I agree that those are indeed dealer-installed, not factory-installed. Per the EPC, the part numbers for the fogs are the same for both the Limited and SR5 model grades. __________________ 1996 Pearl White Hilux Surf KZN185W SSR-G l 3.0L TDI l Dual Battery l LT285/75R16 l Recaro Seats Drive Your Dreams

01-28-2008, 06:23 AM	#37 (permalink)
2000t4rAKS Registered User Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Sacramento, CA Posts: 292	I would have to agree with KZN185W because I looked into changing mine out with the Hellas but they are not Hellas...they are Koito. But then again, it could be model and year specific....I have a 2000 Limited. So question becomes...can I replace the FACTORY fog lights with these: http://www.rallylights.com/hella/Micro_DE.asp#4runner Part number: HL74560 Or am I gonna have to order them from the dealer??? __________________ 2000 4Runner Limited 4x4 Kenwood DNX7100 HU Alpine SPR-17S Component Speakers

01-30-2008, 07:47 AM	#39 (permalink)
pfdaxe Registered User Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Phoenix, AZ Posts: 1,443	H3c vs. H3 HID bulb... I may install the H3c HID bulbs versus the H3 bulbs to maintain the same focal point. By using the longer H3 hid bulb, my beam pattern and/or cut off maybe affected. Thoughts?? Attached Thumbnails __________________ My 2000 TRD 4 Runner My email

01-30-2008, 09:27 AM	#40 (permalink)
Fo_SheeZy Registered User Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: East Tennessee Posts: 1,598	So you can for sure fit HID's in the Micro DE Hella's? __________________ *Check out my 2008 Urban 4Runner on CarDomain!!* http://www.cardomain.com/ride/3108855 http://www.myspace.com/bmplayar

01-31-2008, 07:33 AM	#42 (permalink)
Andrey Registered User Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Arizona Posts: 1,009	In case anyone is interestered, I have the fog lights housing available for sale. PM or e-mail me for more details. http://www.yotatech.com/f109/fs-hell...housing-87827/ __________________ '01 4Runner SR5 - 4x4 - 1" lift PP springs, deckplate mod, amsoil air filter, optima battery, alum. skid plate, alum. tube steps - Pioneer 8500MP, PhoenixGold Amp + Infinity Kappas, RockfordFosgate Amp (mono) + Audobahn 10" Sub - Yakima roof rack, Silverstars, Black Pearl emblems, Wet Okole seat covers, Wood Trim - TRD Supercharger, 7th inj. kit... weee heee!!!

02-03-2008, 08:47 PM	#43 (permalink)
BigJohn Registered User Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Vancouver B.C. Posts: 270	i had the piaa extreme 2 inch driving lights installed in 2001 and they still work great __________________ 2002 4runner - Mods - Dynomax exhaust, Airbox/amsoil. Piaa Extreme White 2 inch driving lights, Nokian Vativas, mickey thompson wheels

02-12-2008, 09:19 PM	#46 (permalink)
pfdaxe Registered User Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Phoenix, AZ Posts: 1,443	I mounted my Hella DE's tonight with H3 HID bulbs. I still need to wire the ballasts and connect to original wires. I did a quick connect to compare light output and it was amazingly brighter __________________ My 2000 TRD 4 Runner My email

02-12-2008, 10:10 PM	#47 (permalink)
Fo_SheeZy Registered User Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: East Tennessee Posts: 1,598	I received my HID's today so I'll be ordering some Hella Micro DE's first thing tomorrow morning! Let me know where you mount your ballast. __________________ *Check out my 2008 Urban 4Runner on CarDomain!!* http://www.cardomain.com/ride/3108855 http://www.myspace.com/bmplayar

02-14-2008, 09:56 PM	#48 (permalink)
pfdaxe Registered User Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Phoenix, AZ Posts: 1,443	I finished the install of my Hella Micro DE HID fogs. I went with H3 HID bulbs versus the H3C. The focal point on the H3 HID bulb lined up well with the OEM H3 bulb. I'm very happy with the way they look on the road giving excellent foreground illumination. I could adjust and get a sharper cut-off, but it won't matter with the HID headlights. Should blend in nicely. Can't wait to add my HID projector to the mix... H3 HID vs H3 OEM halogen: Looking up at mounted fog: Mounted fog: Only fogs...no headlights: Another shot only fogs: Lit up: Price for this mod (upgrade): Hella Micro DE Fogs w/4Runner specific mounts: $120 shipped (Thanks Mike-Boomin850) H3 HID PnP kit: $75 shipped $195 total is not too bad __________________ My 2000 TRD 4 Runner My email Last edited by pfdaxe; 02-15-2008 at 06:02 AM.

02-14-2008, 10:20 PM	#49 (permalink)
X-AWDriver Contributing Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Littleton,CO Posts: 10,173	Nice job. __________________ '99 4Runner Highlander 4wd E-locker,rear diff and deckplate mod * 265/75/16 Nitto TerraGrapplers * Yakima Load Warrior rack * clear corners/signals * Tacoma skidplate * Silverstar lamps/fogs Alpine CDA-9831,Bazooka EL Series 250w amp,MTX 10" sub

02-15-2008, 12:03 AM	#50 (permalink)
Fo_SheeZy Registered User Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: East Tennessee Posts: 1,598	Damn that looks good! Too bad Amazon is currently sold out of the Hella Micro DE's... Does anyone know of any other websites where they are less than $100? __________________ *Check out my 2008 Urban 4Runner on CarDomain!!* http://www.cardomain.com/ride/3108855 http://www.myspace.com/bmplayar

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