sas/ engine swap

Nothingface5384 · 06-29-2009, 02:30 PM

hey, i have a 92 toyota p/u single cab/short bed.
it currently has a 22re/a340f with open 4.30 gears

1st engine died, reman has problems and just wished i swapped a domestic in like i orginally planned

heres a partlist of everything ive bought

Suspension

Marlin SAS kit

- High Steer Crossover Steering
- 4" Lift, Long Travel Leaf Springs
- Front Spring Hanger
- Frame Tubes & Jigs
- Spring Shackles
- Front Flip Kit
- Bumpstops
- Shock Hoops w/Braces
- 12" Bilstein Shocks
- Brake Rotors
- 3 Stainless Braided Brake Lines
- Heavy Duty Steering Stabilizer
- Front Wheel Spacers

4inch rear lift springs

Front axle
85 SFA w/ 85 DS ...3rd pulled
30 spline longs w/ chromoly hub gears
Knuckle service kit w/ wheel bearings
HD inner axle seals
v6 third
v6 30 spline detroit tru-trac posi
v6 4.88 yukon r/p and setup kit
HD pinion seal
Top gusset

X-fer case
2nd gen top shift x-fer case
X-fer case major service rebuild kit
23 total spline input gear
30 spline output shaft
HD output shaft seal
AA 23 spline to 700r4 adapter

Rear Axle
Axle service kit w/ HD axle seals
i4 Aussie locker
i4 4.88 yukon r/p and setup kit
HD pinion seal

Misc.
25mm steering pin upgrade
HD ifs box mount kit
Marlin rocker sliders
Marlin rear tube bumper
AA AL rad w/ transcooler
93 4.3 v6 and 700r4 out of a 2WD
15x8 cragar soft 8 rims w/ 35x12.50s trxus mt/s
clutch fan assembly
B7M uni-matic transmission shifter
trans-go shift kit

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Nothingface5384 · 06-29-2009, 02:38 PM

obviously fromt hat list i'll be doing a chevy 4.3 swap but I also have a Buick 350 laying around with only 26k and only thing i'll need to change would be 4.88s to 4.10s and then get a Taurus E-fan, $80 chevy to bop trans adapter and perhaps snag some turbo 3.8 stuff to convert to a serpetine system?

both engines weigh 450 lbs
350 has slightly more hp and tq along with being at a lower rpm range
350 has 26k compared to 150k on the 4.3
4.3 has TBI instead of a 2barrel
buick engine has higher nickel content in the block
4.3 has roller cam? so no need to zddp additive

What would you guys do in my position( i'm a big buick guy) but not sure if the v8 will overpower the truck and break /over heat(buicks run hotter then chevys) and might be an inch wider/longer/taller then chevy 350.

whokrz · 06-29-2009, 05:15 PM

If you like to give it lots of gas off road, I think you are going to break your rear axle with the 350 or the 4.3. I would also worry about the front differential as that will become the expensive week point in the front axle once you put the longs in.

If you like to beat on it you may want to look into 1ton axles, stock they are about as strong as built Toyota axles and you can always increase the strength. The main drawbacks are clearance, weight, width. A diamond axle will help with clearance and width but they are still heavy.

If you want the axles to remain Toyota I would look into the 8.4 tacoma differential for the rear and a 8.4 or high pinion for the front. The 8.4 would require a lot of modification but the high pinion bolts up. Both of these differentials are stronger than the V6 differential.

Next year I am going to have a diamond built for my rear axle it is going to have a 8.4 differential and FJ80 outers making it full floating with factory disk breaks. This will be a lot stronger than my current V6 rear axle but still be light enough to daily drive.

Nothingface5384 · 06-29-2009, 05:34 PM

I have 30 spline longs with hub gears,
and both are low output engines

Buick 350 SAE net 155hp @4200 and 275 ft lbs @1300 350-4v 175 hp@4600 and 300 ft lbs@2400
Chevy 4.3 150-165hp @ 4000 and 230-235 ft-lbs @ 2400

toyota v6s
3VZ-E 150@4800 180@3400
5VZ-FE 190@4800 220@3600

you really think these engines would break a stock rear axle and a built SA axle?
I mean I guess if i drive gas hog stupid creating binding/hopping I guess it'll twist the rear tubes/break birfield over time..

86toylet · 07-02-2009, 08:20 AM

We have talked on Marlins site. I run the 200 HP 4.3 CPI and my rear axle does just fine spooled. I have yet to find the weak spot in my 4.CPI/700R4/4.7case setup, but I am sure I will.

whokrz · 07-02-2009, 07:43 PM

People break the rear axles and differential with a 22re. It depends how you drive, I run 37 MTRs on stock birfs but I am easy on the gas. It would just suck if you had a lead foot and kept breaking the rear after spending a lot of money on it. I just hate to see people that build toyota axles only to sell them for 1/2 of what they paid because they need 60s.

06-29-2009, 05:34 PM	#4 (permalink)
Nothingface5384 Registered User Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: pgh,pa Posts: 11	I have 30 spline longs with hub gears, and both are low output engines Buick 350 SAE net 155hp @4200 and 275 ft lbs @1300 350-4v 175 hp@4600 and 300 ft lbs@2400 Chevy 4.3 150-165hp @ 4000 and 230-235 ft-lbs @ 2400 toyota v6s 3VZ-E 150@4800 180@3400 5VZ-FE 190@4800 220@3600 you really think these engines would break a stock rear axle and a built SA axle? I mean I guess if i drive gas hog stupid creating binding/hopping I guess it'll twist the rear tubes/break birfield over time.. Last edited by Nothingface5384; 06-30-2009 at 09:41 AM.

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06-29-2009, 02:38 PM	#2 (permalink)
Nothingface5384 Registered User Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: pgh,pa Posts: 11	obviously fromt hat list i'll be doing a chevy 4.3 swap but I also have a Buick 350 laying around with only 26k and only thing i'll need to change would be 4.88s to 4.10s and then get a Taurus E-fan, $80 chevy to bop trans adapter and perhaps snag some turbo 3.8 stuff to convert to a serpetine system? both engines weigh 450 lbs 350 has slightly more hp and tq along with being at a lower rpm range 350 has 26k compared to 150k on the 4.3 4.3 has TBI instead of a 2barrel buick engine has higher nickel content in the block 4.3 has roller cam? so no need to zddp additive What would you guys do in my position( i'm a big buick guy) but not sure if the v8 will overpower the truck and break /over heat(buicks run hotter then chevys) and might be an inch wider/longer/taller then chevy 350.

06-29-2009, 05:15 PM	#3 (permalink)
whokrz Registered User Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Suisun City, California Posts: 346	If you like to give it lots of gas off road, I think you are going to break your rear axle with the 350 or the 4.3. I would also worry about the front differential as that will become the expensive week point in the front axle once you put the longs in. If you like to beat on it you may want to look into 1ton axles, stock they are about as strong as built Toyota axles and you can always increase the strength. The main drawbacks are clearance, weight, width. A diamond axle will help with clearance and width but they are still heavy. If you want the axles to remain Toyota I would look into the 8.4 tacoma differential for the rear and a 8.4 or high pinion for the front. The 8.4 would require a lot of modification but the high pinion bolts up. Both of these differentials are stronger than the V6 differential. Next year I am going to have a diamond built for my rear axle it is going to have a 8.4 differential and FJ80 outers making it full floating with factory disk breaks. This will be a lot stronger than my current V6 rear axle but still be light enough to daily drive.

07-02-2009, 08:20 AM	#5 (permalink)
86toylet Banned 'cause I was 4runnerchevy also banned Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Santa Cruz Mountains Posts: 196	We have talked on Marlins site. I run the 200 HP 4.3 CPI and my rear axle does just fine spooled. I have yet to find the weak spot in my 4.CPI/700R4/4.7case setup, but I am sure I will.

07-02-2009, 07:43 PM	#6 (permalink)
whokrz Registered User Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Suisun City, California Posts: 346	People break the rear axles and differential with a 22re. It depends how you drive, I run 37 MTRs on stock birfs but I am easy on the gas. It would just suck if you had a lead foot and kept breaking the rear after spending a lot of money on it. I just hate to see people that build toyota axles only to sell them for 1/2 of what they paid because they need 60s.