And so the SAS begins...

pepsibluefloat · 07-26-2008, 03:41 PM

Well, i decided to make a thread dedicated to my SAS. Now i wont have to start a new thread every time i have a question, ill just post it in here.
I actually started my sas about 6 months ago when i bought the axle. I've been rebuilding it in my barracks room since then. Last week i finally started cutting and put the axle under.

here is what i have so far::

5.29 gears
Aussie Locker up front
Longfield inners, Birfs, and hub gears
Backing plate eliminator kit
vented fj60 rotors
manual aisin hubs
3" trail-gear front springs
marlin crawler high-steer
bilstein's
4" trail gear rear springs
35x12.5 Goodyear Wranglers
15x10 crappy used wheels
lock-right rear locker

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pepsibluefloat · 07-26-2008, 03:42 PM

now, i know you are all tired of reading and wanting pictures, so here

BEFORE pictures:

pepsibluefloat · 07-26-2008, 03:44 PM

And here is the lovely axle how i received it::

pepsibluefloat · 07-26-2008, 03:46 PM

...and some pictures of rebuild::

pepsibluefloat · 07-26-2008, 03:49 PM

...and last week i started cutting and put the axle under. I wasnt able to finish all the cutting, but i was at least able to get it drive-able.

And i was hoping to do the rear this weekend, but my rear kit came in yesterday WITHOUT the rear shackle hanger. So i guess i'll be driving around like this for another week, heh.

pepsibluefloat · 07-26-2008, 03:57 PM

and for my 1st question in here.

My driver side hub is HARD to turn. Even with the wheel on i have to put a little muscle to turn it. It also gets REALLY hot after 10 minutes of driving. The brakes don't seem to be rubbing. Could the bearings be too tight? i torqued them to spec. the same as the other side, and the other side is fine. Will bearings loosen over time?

dirtoyboy · 07-27-2008, 05:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pepsibluefloat

and for my 1st question in here.

My driver side hub is HARD to turn. Even with the wheel on i have to put a little muscle to turn it. It also gets REALLY hot after 10 minutes of driving. The brakes don't seem to be rubbing. Could the bearings be too tight? i torqued them to spec. the same as the other side, and the other side is fine. Will bearings loosen over time?

What did you torque the trunions to? What did you torque the wheel bearings to? Did you measure your wheel bearing pre-load WITHOUT the felts/rubber ring installed? No it shouldnt be that hard to turn.....

**waskillywabbit** · 07-27-2008, 06:38 AM

Did you rebuild the manual hubs? Most of the time they are hard to turn from a bad hub dial o-ring or too much grease.

Best way to tell is take the manual hub off and then see if it is still hard to turn. If not then you got other issues further in the axle.

dirtoyboy · 07-27-2008, 06:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by waskillywabbit

Did you rebuild the manual hubs? Most of the time they are hard to turn from a bad hub dial o-ring or too much grease.

Best way to tell is take the manual hub off and then see if it is still hard to turn. If not then you got other issues further in the axle.

Oops, I misunderstood...I thought he meant the hub/rotor assembly was hard to turn on the knuckle...my bad..

**waskillywabbit** · 07-27-2008, 07:04 AM

I dunno. The way he says it sounds like it could really be either.

You talking about "manual hub" or "wheel hub" ???

pepsibluefloat · 07-27-2008, 07:55 AM

.....

pepsibluefloat · 07-27-2008, 08:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dirtoyboy

What did you torque the trunions to? What did you torque the wheel bearings to? Did you measure your wheel bearing pre-load WITHOUT the felts/rubber ring installed? No it shouldnt be that hard to turn.....

maybe a dumb question, but whats trunions? And no, i didnt measure the pre-load without felts.

Quote:

Originally Posted by waskillywabbit

I dunno. The way he says it sounds like it could really be either.

You talking about "manual hub" or "wheel hub" ???

my fault, i meant the wheel hub. And this is the sequence i used for tightening the spindle nuts::
* Torque spindle nut to 43 ft. lbs.
o Spin hub right 4-5 rotations
o Spin hub left 4-5 rotations
* Loosen inner spindle nut
o Spin hub right 4-5 rotations
o Spin hub left 4-5 rotations
* Torque spindle nut to 43 ft. lbs.
o Spin hub right 4-5 rotations
o Spin hub left 4-5 rotations
* Loosen inner spindle nut
o Spin hub right 4-5 rotations
o Spin hub left 4-5 rotations
* Torque spindle nut to ~21 ft. lbs.

My passenger side is fine and the ONLY difference is the brand of outer bearing. The driver side is trail-gear, but i couldn't get the trail-gear bearing to fit on the passenger side so ended up having to get another one from autozone. That's why im thkning it must be the bearing isnt right or something?

dirtoyboy · 07-27-2008, 08:09 AM

Bearing drag was in spec? Are you using a pull scale?

Did you measure the seal drag first?

Sounds like they are a bit tight ...yes...

I have seen quite a few trail gear bearings that have had to be ground down to fit....that really dont surprise me....

pepsibluefloat · 07-27-2008, 08:21 AM

no i didnt measure the drag at all, don't have a fish-scale. But it did feel noticeably tighter than the other side. Do you think this is something i should worry about, or will it loosen up on its own? It only has about 30 miles on the axle, and ill only be going 2-5 miles at a time until next weekend when ill go about 40 miles to get my rear spring hangers welded and my rear finished.

dirtoyboy · 07-27-2008, 08:38 AM

Ahhh you did it the old fashioned way! by feel!

If they are getting hot that is a problem. I would just take the hub off and loosen them just a bit. Shouldnt take more than 20 minutes or so....

pepsibluefloat · 07-27-2008, 08:45 AM

ya, i guess better safe than sorry. I just hate that damn snap-ring on the axle-stub

pepsibluefloat · 07-31-2008, 08:24 PM

...so the bearings loosened up on their own before i could replace them. And now i have a horrible squeel from all the grinding i did doing over the knuckles/brakes.

and the rear goes on sunday. Will have pictures.

dirtoyboy · 08-03-2008, 05:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pepsibluefloat

...so the bearings loosened up on their own before i could replace them.

Are you using the star washer and bending the tabs down (one forward and one backward) over the hub nuts?

pepsibluefloat · 08-04-2008, 05:43 PM

yes i am.

pepsibluefloat · 08-04-2008, 05:43 PM

..and a few more pics of what i did this weekend::

Those are 4" TG springs in the rear, w/ 3" TG springs in the front. The front is still sitting a little bit higher than the rear, heh. Maybe it will settle, we will see.

coolthew · 08-04-2008, 06:35 PM

Wow, it's that much higher with a V6? thats a little bit wierd...

pepsibluefloat · 08-05-2008, 05:08 AM

thats also parked on a hill..its not too bad at all, im just surprised it isnt the other way around..

pepsibluefloat · 08-09-2008, 04:56 PM

looks like im going to have to eventually fix shackle angle and myabe go with longer shackles. The front sits too high =/ Im picking up my 35" goodyear MTR tomrrow

fillsrunner4 · 08-09-2008, 05:40 PM

get some tires on there

got to be scary as hell to drive.

Looks pretty good.

Gonna be tall!

pepsibluefloat · 08-10-2008, 10:51 AM

ya, much taller than I actually wanted. Im sorta disapointed in the 3" springs up front. Might eventually do RUF.

Drove down to Austin today and bought some 35" MTRs already mounted on toyota wheels. I'll put them on later today.

07-26-2008, 03:42 PM	#2 (permalink)
pepsibluefloat Registered User Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Albuquerque, New Mexico Posts: 382	now, i know you are all tired of reading and wanting pictures, so here BEFORE pictures: __________________ 1988 4runner::SAS\|3.4L swap\|Swap to 5speed manual\| RF1A \|5.29's\|Aussie Front\|LockRight Rear\|Longfield axles/Hub Gear\|4"Rear/3"Front springs\|Marlin High Steer\|Custom CV rear driveshaft from High Angle Driveline\|Rear D/S shortened and made into front D/S \|35" Goodyear MT/R \| Addicted Offroad front bumper \| Marlin rear bumper My 4runner n stuff

07-26-2008, 03:44 PM	#3 (permalink)
pepsibluefloat Registered User Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Albuquerque, New Mexico Posts: 382	And here is the lovely axle how i received it:: __________________ 1988 4runner::SAS\|3.4L swap\|Swap to 5speed manual\| RF1A \|5.29's\|Aussie Front\|LockRight Rear\|Longfield axles/Hub Gear\|4"Rear/3"Front springs\|Marlin High Steer\|Custom CV rear driveshaft from High Angle Driveline\|Rear D/S shortened and made into front D/S \|35" Goodyear MT/R \| Addicted Offroad front bumper \| Marlin rear bumper My 4runner n stuff

07-26-2008, 03:46 PM	#4 (permalink)
pepsibluefloat Registered User Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Albuquerque, New Mexico Posts: 382	...and some pictures of rebuild:: __________________ 1988 4runner::SAS\|3.4L swap\|Swap to 5speed manual\| RF1A \|5.29's\|Aussie Front\|LockRight Rear\|Longfield axles/Hub Gear\|4"Rear/3"Front springs\|Marlin High Steer\|Custom CV rear driveshaft from High Angle Driveline\|Rear D/S shortened and made into front D/S \|35" Goodyear MT/R \| Addicted Offroad front bumper \| Marlin rear bumper My 4runner n stuff

07-26-2008, 03:49 PM	#5 (permalink)
pepsibluefloat Registered User Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Albuquerque, New Mexico Posts: 382	...and last week i started cutting and put the axle under. I wasnt able to finish all the cutting, but i was at least able to get it drive-able. And i was hoping to do the rear this weekend, but my rear kit came in yesterday WITHOUT the rear shackle hanger. So i guess i'll be driving around like this for another week, heh. __________________ 1988 4runner::SAS\|3.4L swap\|Swap to 5speed manual\| RF1A \|5.29's\|Aussie Front\|LockRight Rear\|Longfield axles/Hub Gear\|4"Rear/3"Front springs\|Marlin High Steer\|Custom CV rear driveshaft from High Angle Driveline\|Rear D/S shortened and made into front D/S \|35" Goodyear MT/R \| Addicted Offroad front bumper \| Marlin rear bumper My 4runner n stuff Last edited by pepsibluefloat; 07-26-2008 at 08:16 PM.

07-26-2008, 03:57 PM	#6 (permalink)
pepsibluefloat Registered User Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Albuquerque, New Mexico Posts: 382	and for my 1st question in here. My driver side hub is HARD to turn. Even with the wheel on i have to put a little muscle to turn it. It also gets REALLY hot after 10 minutes of driving. The brakes don't seem to be rubbing. Could the bearings be too tight? i torqued them to spec. the same as the other side, and the other side is fine. Will bearings loosen over time? __________________ 1988 4runner::SAS\|3.4L swap\|Swap to 5speed manual\| RF1A \|5.29's\|Aussie Front\|LockRight Rear\|Longfield axles/Hub Gear\|4"Rear/3"Front springs\|Marlin High Steer\|Custom CV rear driveshaft from High Angle Driveline\|Rear D/S shortened and made into front D/S \|35" Goodyear MT/R \| Addicted Offroad front bumper \| Marlin rear bumper My 4runner n stuff

07-27-2008, 06:38 AM	#8 (permalink)
waskillywabbit Super Moderator-Sponsoring Member Staff Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Tuscaloosa, AL Posts: 14,544	Did you rebuild the manual hubs? Most of the time they are hard to turn from a bad hub dial o-ring or too much grease. Best way to tell is take the manual hub off and then see if it is still hard to turn. If not then you got other issues further in the axle. __________________ WabFab Off-Road, LLC MySpace Twitter Facebook 7th Annual South East 4Runner Jamboree, 2010 The toughest part of a Jeep is the chick driving it. WabFab Off-Road 4th Anniversary Sale

07-27-2008, 07:04 AM	#10 (permalink)
waskillywabbit Super Moderator-Sponsoring Member Staff Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Tuscaloosa, AL Posts: 14,544	I dunno. The way he says it sounds like it could really be either. You talking about "manual hub" or "wheel hub" ??? __________________ WabFab Off-Road, LLC MySpace Twitter Facebook 7th Annual South East 4Runner Jamboree, 2010 The toughest part of a Jeep is the chick driving it. WabFab Off-Road 4th Anniversary Sale

07-27-2008, 07:55 AM	#11 (permalink)
pepsibluefloat Registered User Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Albuquerque, New Mexico Posts: 382	..... __________________ 1988 4runner::SAS\|3.4L swap\|Swap to 5speed manual\| RF1A \|5.29's\|Aussie Front\|LockRight Rear\|Longfield axles/Hub Gear\|4"Rear/3"Front springs\|Marlin High Steer\|Custom CV rear driveshaft from High Angle Driveline\|Rear D/S shortened and made into front D/S \|35" Goodyear MT/R \| Addicted Offroad front bumper \| Marlin rear bumper My 4runner n stuff Last edited by pepsibluefloat; 07-27-2008 at 08:01 AM.

07-27-2008, 08:21 AM	#14 (permalink)
pepsibluefloat Registered User Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Albuquerque, New Mexico Posts: 382	no i didnt measure the drag at all, don't have a fish-scale. But it did feel noticeably tighter than the other side. Do you think this is something i should worry about, or will it loosen up on its own? It only has about 30 miles on the axle, and ill only be going 2-5 miles at a time until next weekend when ill go about 40 miles to get my rear spring hangers welded and my rear finished. __________________ 1988 4runner::SAS\|3.4L swap\|Swap to 5speed manual\| RF1A \|5.29's\|Aussie Front\|LockRight Rear\|Longfield axles/Hub Gear\|4"Rear/3"Front springs\|Marlin High Steer\|Custom CV rear driveshaft from High Angle Driveline\|Rear D/S shortened and made into front D/S \|35" Goodyear MT/R \| Addicted Offroad front bumper \| Marlin rear bumper My 4runner n stuff

07-27-2008, 08:45 AM	#16 (permalink)
pepsibluefloat Registered User Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Albuquerque, New Mexico Posts: 382	ya, i guess better safe than sorry. I just hate that damn snap-ring on the axle-stub __________________ 1988 4runner::SAS\|3.4L swap\|Swap to 5speed manual\| RF1A \|5.29's\|Aussie Front\|LockRight Rear\|Longfield axles/Hub Gear\|4"Rear/3"Front springs\|Marlin High Steer\|Custom CV rear driveshaft from High Angle Driveline\|Rear D/S shortened and made into front D/S \|35" Goodyear MT/R \| Addicted Offroad front bumper \| Marlin rear bumper My 4runner n stuff

07-31-2008, 08:24 PM	#17 (permalink)
pepsibluefloat Registered User Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Albuquerque, New Mexico Posts: 382	...so the bearings loosened up on their own before i could replace them. And now i have a horrible squeel from all the grinding i did doing over the knuckles/brakes. and the rear goes on sunday. Will have pictures. __________________ 1988 4runner::SAS\|3.4L swap\|Swap to 5speed manual\| RF1A \|5.29's\|Aussie Front\|LockRight Rear\|Longfield axles/Hub Gear\|4"Rear/3"Front springs\|Marlin High Steer\|Custom CV rear driveshaft from High Angle Driveline\|Rear D/S shortened and made into front D/S \|35" Goodyear MT/R \| Addicted Offroad front bumper \| Marlin rear bumper My 4runner n stuff

08-04-2008, 05:43 PM	#19 (permalink)
pepsibluefloat Registered User Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Albuquerque, New Mexico Posts: 382	yes i am. __________________ 1988 4runner::SAS\|3.4L swap\|Swap to 5speed manual\| RF1A \|5.29's\|Aussie Front\|LockRight Rear\|Longfield axles/Hub Gear\|4"Rear/3"Front springs\|Marlin High Steer\|Custom CV rear driveshaft from High Angle Driveline\|Rear D/S shortened and made into front D/S \|35" Goodyear MT/R \| Addicted Offroad front bumper \| Marlin rear bumper My 4runner n stuff

08-04-2008, 05:43 PM	#20 (permalink)
pepsibluefloat Registered User Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Albuquerque, New Mexico Posts: 382	..and a few more pics of what i did this weekend:: Those are 4" TG springs in the rear, w/ 3" TG springs in the front. The front is still sitting a little bit higher than the rear, heh. Maybe it will settle, we will see. __________________ 1988 4runner::SAS\|3.4L swap\|Swap to 5speed manual\| RF1A \|5.29's\|Aussie Front\|LockRight Rear\|Longfield axles/Hub Gear\|4"Rear/3"Front springs\|Marlin High Steer\|Custom CV rear driveshaft from High Angle Driveline\|Rear D/S shortened and made into front D/S \|35" Goodyear MT/R \| Addicted Offroad front bumper \| Marlin rear bumper My 4runner n stuff Last edited by pepsibluefloat; 08-04-2008 at 05:45 PM.

08-04-2008, 06:35 PM	#21 (permalink)
coolthew Registered User Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Saratoga, California Posts: 69	Wow, it's that much higher with a V6? thats a little bit wierd... __________________ _Matt_

08-05-2008, 05:08 AM	#22 (permalink)
pepsibluefloat Registered User Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Albuquerque, New Mexico Posts: 382	thats also parked on a hill..its not too bad at all, im just surprised it isnt the other way around.. __________________ 1988 4runner::SAS\|3.4L swap\|Swap to 5speed manual\| RF1A \|5.29's\|Aussie Front\|LockRight Rear\|Longfield axles/Hub Gear\|4"Rear/3"Front springs\|Marlin High Steer\|Custom CV rear driveshaft from High Angle Driveline\|Rear D/S shortened and made into front D/S \|35" Goodyear MT/R \| Addicted Offroad front bumper \| Marlin rear bumper My 4runner n stuff

08-09-2008, 04:56 PM	#23 (permalink)
pepsibluefloat Registered User Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Albuquerque, New Mexico Posts: 382	looks like im going to have to eventually fix shackle angle and myabe go with longer shackles. The front sits too high =/ Im picking up my 35" goodyear MTR tomrrow __________________ 1988 4runner::SAS\|3.4L swap\|Swap to 5speed manual\| RF1A \|5.29's\|Aussie Front\|LockRight Rear\|Longfield axles/Hub Gear\|4"Rear/3"Front springs\|Marlin High Steer\|Custom CV rear driveshaft from High Angle Driveline\|Rear D/S shortened and made into front D/S \|35" Goodyear MT/R \| Addicted Offroad front bumper \| Marlin rear bumper My 4runner n stuff

08-09-2008, 05:40 PM	#24 (permalink)
fillsrunner4 Registered User Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Sammamish, wa Posts: 2,724	get some tires on there got to be scary as hell to drive. Looks pretty good. Gonna be tall! __________________ 94' toyota 4runner (Many a change!) purchased bone stock, NOW... SAS, 39" Iroks, Rear Leafswap, 5.29's , Air locked front, Welded rear, Chevy 4.3L V6, 5spd swap, dual T/C's MC10R10, flatbelly with custom skids, sliders, Chopped, Bobbed and so much more. Might as well start reading this if ya want know more Fillsrunner4 3.4crawler Build Thread Fillsrunner4.3 crawler (Part Two) build thread

08-10-2008, 10:51 AM	#25 (permalink)
pepsibluefloat Registered User Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Albuquerque, New Mexico Posts: 382	ya, much taller than I actually wanted. Im sorta disapointed in the 3" springs up front. Might eventually do RUF. Drove down to Austin today and bought some 35" MTRs already mounted on toyota wheels. I'll put them on later today. __________________ 1988 4runner::SAS\|3.4L swap\|Swap to 5speed manual\| RF1A \|5.29's\|Aussie Front\|LockRight Rear\|Longfield axles/Hub Gear\|4"Rear/3"Front springs\|Marlin High Steer\|Custom CV rear driveshaft from High Angle Driveline\|Rear D/S shortened and made into front D/S \|35" Goodyear MT/R \| Addicted Offroad front bumper \| Marlin rear bumper My 4runner n stuff

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