90 2dr sas

cootees · 04-17-2008, 09:47 AM

So this is the big weekend for the 4runner.

So here is what we are working with. 90 4runner 2dr. Trail-Gear 3" ifs eliminator with the creeper gussets.

Here she is in the current state.

Here is the axle when I picked it up.

I just finished welding and cleaning up the axle housing and having it powdercoated so here it is in its current state waiting to be reassembled.

I still need to take a wire wheel to the knuckle balls to clean up the overspray. But reassembly will take part tomorrow and saturday we will start the cutting.

**UKMyers** · 04-17-2008, 10:39 AM

Be sure and take lots of pictures!! Make sure you buy 5 or 6 grinding wheels for after the IFS comes off!

Wheelingnoob · 04-17-2008, 03:04 PM

What are you doing in the rear?

Jeremy

cootees · 04-17-2008, 03:47 PM

Hopefully I am keeping the rear the same. I have not read anywhere what the difference will be. I'll have to see if it will be much of a difference.

If that doesn't work I'll have to find some different springs or temporarily go with spacers. I'm keeping coils in the rear though. No doubt about it.

Wheelingnoob · 04-17-2008, 10:33 PM

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Originally Posted by cootees

Hopefully I am keeping the rear the same. I have not read anywhere what the difference will be. I'll have to see if it will be much of a difference.

If that doesn't work I'll have to find some different springs or temporarily go with spacers. I'm keeping coils in the rear though. No doubt about it.

Good luck man, I just finished my SAS on my 93 2rd Runner and its way high. I got about 6.5" of lift in the front with the 3" TG swap kit. You will need to find some big ass springs, I put in OME 862's and it was still 4" lower in the back. I added 2" spacers tonight and it looks a bit better but still lots of sag look in the back.

I hate to say it but I think I'm going to end up with leafs in the back. Now that I have the truck almost level when ever I turn left the drive shaft hits the gas tank. I cant even drive the truck right now as it is, and I have a 4" panhard drop braket on there.

I'm lookign at getting some 07 taco rear leafs or Chevies.

Godd luck with the swap, its not tha hard part the hard part it getting it to all work right after.

Jeremy

backwoods_bently · 04-22-2008, 08:36 AM

what all does it intell doin the sas? im readin up on i, but i still aint real sure about what all it really intells. any help? is it alot of cuttin and weldin?

dirtoyboy · 04-22-2008, 09:52 AM

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Originally Posted by backwoods_bently

what all does it intell doin the sas? im readin up on i, but i still aint real sure about what all it really intells. any help? is it alot of cuttin and weldin?

Take a look here>>

http://www.marlincrawler.com/suspension/sas_inst.htm

I usually recommend moving the steering box to correct the whack steering geometry after its lifted

AxleIke · 04-22-2008, 09:55 AM

Leaving the rear coiled can result in screwy handling, and will probably mean that only one end will do the work, likely the rear, when flexing. We'll see when you get it done, but I'm betting a leaf spring conversion is in the future.

run4her · 04-22-2008, 10:07 AM

I am keeping couls in the rear. We are just added 20" to the main links and moved the brackets foreward. Next i am putting my gas tank in the bed and going to move the 2 center links.

LTrunner · 04-22-2008, 05:13 PM

i bet the 3' SAS kit will be really high in the front they all are at first but with a later modletruck and a v6 they will settle down alot....i've seen som go from about 5-6" down to 3-4" anyways good luck

Wheelingnoob · 04-23-2008, 10:48 AM

My truck after a week of sriving with the 3"SAS kit is still way high in the front. I have OME LC coils in the back and 2" spacers and there way to soft the truck is scary to drive. if I was to do the coil rear again I would get the 3.5" 80 series heavy lift springs and try and get some of the stabillity back. Right now the rear liks are maxed out and I awesome rear steer around corners. My rear axle is also pointing 3/4" to the pass side.

I'm seriously looking at losing the coil rear end in favor of leafs. Not that I really want to, I love the way the coils ride on the street and off road but for safty I think its needed.

Blizzard · 04-23-2008, 01:30 PM

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Originally Posted by AxleIke

Leaving the rear coiled can result in screwy handling, and will probably mean that only one end will do the work, likely the rear, when flexing. We'll see when you get it done, but I'm betting a leaf spring conversion is in the future.

True, this is why I choose to do leafs all around...

David

cootees · 04-25-2008, 01:04 PM

We will see how it handles with coils in the rear. It is not my daily driver so I should be able to bear it.

Whats the trick to getting the knuckle bearing races seated? I even froze them overnight and that did not help any.

Belize Off Road Team · 04-25-2008, 01:52 PM

when i get around to doing my sas, it'll be coils all around. better performance, much better ride and it just looks unique on a Toyota.

***waskillywabbit*** · 04-25-2008, 03:10 PM

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Originally Posted by cootees

We will see how it handles with coils in the rear. It is not my daily driver so I should be able to bear it.

Whats the trick to getting the knuckle bearing races seated? I even froze them overnight and that did not help any.

Brass drift and a hammer...gradually tap them down.

Wheelingnoob · 04-28-2008, 03:50 PM

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Originally Posted by waskillywabbit

Brass drift and a hammer...gradually tap them down.

X2 Worked great for me!

cootees · 05-22-2008, 06:43 AM

So here is an update. As you can see I am takin gmy time with it working on it when I get the chance.

The point of no return.

bye bye half shaft

I am now realizing how much of a difference it is going to be in the front. So i'm trying to plan on what to do to lift the rear. I really don't want to give up the coils but at the same time I don't want it to be so tipsy. Any solutions?

Wheelingnoob · 05-22-2008, 09:20 AM

I ended up doing a leaf swap on the back of mine and am very happy I did. If you want to keep coils you will need to remake all the rear links and fit big coils. The problem is when you lift it to the point that its not sagging in the back the links are just to short. You are better off making a full custom linked rear end like the trail gear 3 link set up. Problem with that is the cost and then you still need coilovers or air shocks.

Leafs is the cheapest and most common thing (becuse it works). I used chevy 3/4 ton 63" leafs in the rear of mine and the ride is good and I have a the rear the same hight as the front now. Once you have done the SAS on the front the leafs swap on the rear is a breeze.

Good luck and keep us updated.

Jeremy

cootees · 05-22-2008, 10:19 AM

Yeah. Regardless what I do to the rear if I am lifting it more with keeping coils then I will have to extend the control arms and have a new panhard bar made up.

Wheelingnoob, you did a 3" tg kit right? What coils did you have to begin with? I'm wondering how much more lift I will need in the rear over the fj80 coils that I currently have back there.

Wheelingnoob · 05-22-2008, 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by cootees

Wheelingnoob, you did a 3" tg kit right? What coils did you have to begin with? I'm wondering how much more lift I will need in the rear over the fj80 coils that I currently have back there.

Yes I do have the 3" sas kit, the coils I was using were the OME 862's there a 80 Series rear coil that gives them a 1" loft and is rated for 250lbs more payload. I had then add a 2" coil spacer to them and I was still low in the back and had maxed out all my links at that point.

If you have the stock 80 coils in there now I would say easally 4" more lift. The 3" sas kit gave me about 6" of lift over stock. and about 4" over my BJ spacers.

Part of my problem is the 2" BL that I need to take out ASAP! That will help the look of the truck greatly.

Jeremy

04-17-2008, 09:47 AM	#1 (permalink)
cootees Contributing Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Roanoke Va Posts: 880	90 2dr sas So this is the big weekend for the 4runner. So here is what we are working with. 90 4runner 2dr. Trail-Gear 3" ifs eliminator with the creeper gussets. Here she is in the current state. Here is the axle when I picked it up. I just finished welding and cleaning up the axle housing and having it powdercoated so here it is in its current state waiting to be reassembled. I still need to take a wire wheel to the knuckle balls to clean up the overspray. But reassembly will take part tomorrow and saturday we will start the cutting. __________________ -- '90 4Runner 2Dr 3.0 / sas /FJ80 rear coils / rear e-locker / 32's/ MC Rear bumper / TG Sliders / surco basket / cobra 18 wxstII / ISR / Magnaflow exhaust

04-17-2008, 03:47 PM	#4 (permalink)
cootees Contributing Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Roanoke Va Posts: 880	Hopefully I am keeping the rear the same. I have not read anywhere what the difference will be. I'll have to see if it will be much of a difference. If that doesn't work I'll have to find some different springs or temporarily go with spacers. I'm keeping coils in the rear though. No doubt about it. __________________ -- '90 4Runner 2Dr 3.0 / sas /FJ80 rear coils / rear e-locker / 32's/ MC Rear bumper / TG Sliders / surco basket / cobra 18 wxstII / ISR / Magnaflow exhaust

04-22-2008, 09:55 AM	#8 (permalink)
AxleIke Contributing Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Boulder, Colorado Posts: 4,536	Leaving the rear coiled can result in screwy handling, and will probably mean that only one end will do the work, likely the rear, when flexing. We'll see when you get it done, but I'm betting a leaf spring conversion is in the future. __________________ IFS SAS My mods aren't bling enough for the signature line. -All Terrains are for when you know how to drive.

04-22-2008, 10:07 AM	#9 (permalink)
run4her Registered User Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Lewiston Idaho Posts: 390	I am keeping couls in the rear. We are just added 20" to the main links and moved the brackets foreward. Next i am putting my gas tank in the bed and going to move the 2 center links. __________________ 1990 4runner. 42/14/r.17 irocks, spool in front. Sas, lc coils and triangulated 4-link. 1in bodylift, 7in front screen linked to 14in flip down in rear, Chopped, Bobbed 33". Wheelbase stretched 7". 1984 extra cab pickup. 7" suspension lift, 36" Radial tsl's, Bobbed 12"

04-22-2008, 05:13 PM	#10 (permalink)
LTrunner Registered User Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: spfld, MA Posts: 228	i bet the 3' SAS kit will be really high in the front they all are at first but with a later modletruck and a v6 they will settle down alot....i've seen som go from about 5-6" down to 3-4" anyways good luck __________________ 89 4runner 3.0L, 5spd swaped like what ya see...check my build http://www.yotatech.com/f116/my-very...runner-143762/ Don't Follow me, you won't make it "Wheeling the piss out of it" AND "DD"ing it since 2005

04-17-2008, 03:04 PM	#3 (permalink)
Wheelingnoob Registered User Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Surrey, BC Posts: 194	What are you doing in the rear? Jeremy

04-22-2008, 08:36 AM	#6 (permalink)
backwoods_bently Registered User Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: mcguire afb new jersey Posts: 26	what all does it intell doin the sas? im readin up on i, but i still aint real sure about what all it really intells. any help? is it alot of cuttin and weldin?

04-23-2008, 10:48 AM	#11 (permalink)
Wheelingnoob Registered User Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Surrey, BC Posts: 194	My truck after a week of sriving with the 3"SAS kit is still way high in the front. I have OME LC coils in the back and 2" spacers and there way to soft the truck is scary to drive. if I was to do the coil rear again I would get the 3.5" 80 series heavy lift springs and try and get some of the stabillity back. Right now the rear liks are maxed out and I awesome rear steer around corners. My rear axle is also pointing 3/4" to the pass side. I'm seriously looking at losing the coil rear end in favor of leafs. Not that I really want to, I love the way the coils ride on the street and off road but for safty I think its needed.

04-25-2008, 01:04 PM	#13 (permalink)
cootees Contributing Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Roanoke Va Posts: 880	We will see how it handles with coils in the rear. It is not my daily driver so I should be able to bear it. Whats the trick to getting the knuckle bearing races seated? I even froze them overnight and that did not help any. __________________ -- '90 4Runner 2Dr 3.0 / sas /FJ80 rear coils / rear e-locker / 32's/ MC Rear bumper / TG Sliders / surco basket / cobra 18 wxstII / ISR / Magnaflow exhaust

04-25-2008, 01:52 PM	#14 (permalink)
Belize Off Road Team Contributing Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Corozal Town, Belize Posts: 2,375	when i get around to doing my sas, it'll be coils all around. better performance, much better ride and it just looks unique on a Toyota. __________________ -Phyl 1991 Hilux Surf SSR-G Petrol 3.0L V6 193,000kms l 3.4L V6 264,000kms to be rebuilt then installed! l Rancho RS5000 l 31"x10.50"xR15 Pro Comp Xterrain l K&N Drop in filter l PP 1" Lift Coil Springs l TRD shift knob l Lv. 3 First Aid Kit l White Gauges & Temp Controls l LED conversion l 80/100W Hella H4 l Hella Black Magic l 1st Gen Roll Bar Mod l FT/RR Diff. Breathers l Smittybilt XRC8 Winch l TOYOTA TOUR 2008 トヨタ\|NEVER QUIT

05-22-2008, 06:43 AM	#17 (permalink)
cootees Contributing Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Roanoke Va Posts: 880	So here is an update. As you can see I am takin gmy time with it working on it when I get the chance. The point of no return. bye bye half shaft I am now realizing how much of a difference it is going to be in the front. So i'm trying to plan on what to do to lift the rear. I really don't want to give up the coils but at the same time I don't want it to be so tipsy. Any solutions? __________________ -- '90 4Runner 2Dr 3.0 / sas /FJ80 rear coils / rear e-locker / 32's/ MC Rear bumper / TG Sliders / surco basket / cobra 18 wxstII / ISR / Magnaflow exhaust

05-22-2008, 09:20 AM	#18 (permalink)
Wheelingnoob Registered User Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Surrey, BC Posts: 194	I ended up doing a leaf swap on the back of mine and am very happy I did. If you want to keep coils you will need to remake all the rear links and fit big coils. The problem is when you lift it to the point that its not sagging in the back the links are just to short. You are better off making a full custom linked rear end like the trail gear 3 link set up. Problem with that is the cost and then you still need coilovers or air shocks. Leafs is the cheapest and most common thing (becuse it works). I used chevy 3/4 ton 63" leafs in the rear of mine and the ride is good and I have a the rear the same hight as the front now. Once you have done the SAS on the front the leafs swap on the rear is a breeze. Good luck and keep us updated. Jeremy

05-22-2008, 10:19 AM	#19 (permalink)
cootees Contributing Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Roanoke Va Posts: 880	Yeah. Regardless what I do to the rear if I am lifting it more with keeping coils then I will have to extend the control arms and have a new panhard bar made up. Wheelingnoob, you did a 3" tg kit right? What coils did you have to begin with? I'm wondering how much more lift I will need in the rear over the fj80 coils that I currently have back there. __________________ -- '90 4Runner 2Dr 3.0 / sas /FJ80 rear coils / rear e-locker / 32's/ MC Rear bumper / TG Sliders / surco basket / cobra 18 wxstII / ISR / Magnaflow exhaust