Will 63 in chevies work w/BJ spacers

bryan · 01-08-2008, 04:56 PM

If I run 1.5in BJ spacers up front would the chevy swap in the back level it out? Also would the Chevies work with a SAS if I go that route later? Guess I should mention I have a 89 4Runner with a 3.0. Thanks Bryan

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jfreisner · 01-08-2008, 04:59 PM

You'll have an "Aussie" look, but it should be OK.

Yes, the chev's will work with a SAS.

4runnerchevy · 01-08-2008, 05:07 PM

Here is a good link, read it before you reply.

http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=20665

bryan · 01-08-2008, 05:07 PM

What is this "Aussie" look you speak of? Thanks Bryan

tortis · 01-08-2008, 05:40 PM

i just did the chevy swap on my 89 truck. love the ride. pretty easy swap. the magic number for me was ten and one eighth of an inch. that is how far forwards i had to move my front hanger to keep the axle in stock location.

jfreisner · 01-08-2008, 05:42 PM

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Originally Posted by bryan

What is this "Aussie" look you speak of? Thanks Bryan

The"drilling for oil" look.

It will probably give you about 2+" of lift, so it will be OK.

bryan · 01-08-2008, 07:56 PM

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Originally Posted by tortis

i just did the chevy swap on my 89 truck. love the ride. pretty easy swap. the magic number for me was ten and one eighth of an inch. that is how far forwards i had to move my front hanger to keep the axle in stock location.

Did you have to move the rear hangar any? What have you done to the front suspension on yours? Thanks Bryan.

frozenSurf · 01-08-2008, 09:15 PM

drilling for oil? .... I don't get it.

-FroZen

tortis · 01-09-2008, 04:29 AM

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Originally Posted by bryan

Did you have to move the rear hangar any? What have you done to the front suspension on yours? Thanks Bryan.

i used the factory hangers. i cut them off and moved them back about 4" to where the shackle is at 45 degrees. no mods on the front. it raised the rear about 1" above stock level. i hope you have faith in your welding.

ovrrdrive · 01-09-2008, 09:16 AM

Aussie look? Drilling for oil?

What the feck man....?

The only terms I've seen used are bulldogged for high in the front and raked for high in the back.

mojo4x420 · 01-09-2008, 09:55 AM

I'm only high in the ass when empty and it doesn't look too bad. When loaded to go camping I sit nice and level and really appreciate the height in the back. I used to bang my rearend constantly w/ my stock saggy springs.

Springs were a bit of work to figure out where to put them. I ended up w/ a shackle that's 7 3/4" eye2eye that gives me about a 40 deg angle using the stock rear hanger. I moved the front spring hanger forward until the center pin of the leaf springs was just in front on center in the wheel well.

Had to figure this out w/ trial and error and some basic trig after the first attempt didn't really work out. Using the length of the leaf springs and the length between the shock mounts, you can figure out roughly how much lift you will get w/ different length shackles. A perfect 45deg would have been about an 8 1/4" long shackle but I didn't want any more lift so I stuck w/ 40deg.

I've attached a spreadsheet for open office that I used to try different length shackles to see how much height I would get. The height isn't absolute height but it lets you experiment a little and compare how much more height you would get w/ different shackles or mount locations.

It also depends on the chevy's. Mine are well used, maybe a newer set would give you more height.

sh0kk86 · 01-09-2008, 01:43 PM

for those that dont have oo

Bear80 · 01-09-2008, 02:09 PM

Here is my write up on the swap, Chevy Spring Swap. I read up on the pirate thread and it helps but I felt there where a few things left out. I tired to make things clear in my write up, such as the way to measure the distances etc. My father runs BJ spacers on his 4runner and my rear setup would be a great match for his front. Just note the shackle lenght and angle. I would recommend buying a Toyota rear hanger and placing it directly behind the stock one and using a similar length shackle to what I run. Also try to find a Toyota truck load leaf, the 4runner load leafs suck and so do the chevy's. You'll also need to think about a double cardon drive shaft.

yarosig · 01-09-2008, 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by bryan

What is this "Aussie" look you speak of? Thanks Bryan

Maybe if you're smart enough, you would be able to figure it out by yourself.
Read the damn link above and it will clearly tell you Chevy's provide you with about 3" of lift. SO with 1.5" BJ spacers 3" lift in the back. Think hard what that's going to look like.

yarosig · 01-09-2008, 02:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Bear80

Here is my write up on the swap, Chevy Spring Swap.You'll also need to think about a double cardon drive shaft.

Why in the world would he need a double cardon shaft with 3" of lift?
It's 3" for god's sake, put some shims in and call it a day.

Bear80 · 01-09-2008, 02:28 PM

The shims acutally point the pinion at the t-case, meaing you'll need a double cardon at the t-case end.

Bear80 · 01-09-2008, 02:30 PM

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Originally Posted by yarosig

Maybe if you're smart enough, you would be able to figure it out by yourself.
Read the damn link above and it will clearly tell you Chevy's provide you with about 3" of lift. SO with 1.5" BJ spacers 3" lift in the back. Think hard what that's going to look like.

I have the feeling you're talking out your arse here. Have you done a spring swap and know what setup will give what amount of lift?? The chevy springs can be setup to give anywhere from 2.5-4" of lift. It's not a dead 3" or nothing.

Bear80 · 01-09-2008, 02:33 PM

Here is a shot of my truck with the front set at the same hight as my father's 4runner on BJ spacers. The rear springs set slightly higher but it's hard to tell in the pic due to driveway slope.

tortis · 01-09-2008, 02:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Bear80

I have the feeling you're talking out your arse here. Have you done a spring swap and know what setup will give what amount of lift?? The chevy springs can be setup to give anywhere from 2.5-4" of lift. It's not a dead 3" or nothing.

true. i am running three springs which yielded about 1 inch over stock. i kept the stock rear shackles and moves the rear mount about 4". my spring were off a new truck, if you get them off an older truck results will very. if you have an hour, pirate has an on going thread about the 63'' spring swap... it should answer all your questions, and see what mistakes others have made.

yarosig · 01-10-2008, 07:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Bear80

I have the feeling you're talking out your arse here. Have you done a spring swap and know what setup will give what amount of lift?? The chevy springs can be setup to give anywhere from 2.5-4" of lift. It's not a dead 3" or nothing.

Yes I have done the swap before. Did it on my 1980 which gave me 1" lift because I built an extremely heavy bed in the back. I'm about to do it on my 89 4runner this weekend. I estimate with the hardtop, this setup will net my about 2.5" of lift. I'll have pics for this guy considering I am going to be cranking my bars up 1.5".

idayota · 01-10-2008, 07:48 PM

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Originally Posted by yarosig

Yes I have done the swap before. Did it on my 1980 which gave me 1" lift because I built an extremely heavy bed in the back. I'm about to do it on my 89 4runner this weekend. I estimate with the hardtop, this setup will net my about 2.5" of lift. I'll have pics for this guy considering I am going to be cranking my bars up 1.5".

cant wait to see some pics...good luck this weekend!

ovrrdrive · 01-11-2008, 01:48 AM

And good luck with your ride quality after a 1.5" tbar crank...

mojo4x420 · 01-11-2008, 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by sh0kk86

for those that dont have oo

If you open the actual spread sheet, you can play around with the top three numbers and the rest of the page updates. It doesn't tell you exactly how much lift you get, but it'll tell you relatively how much more lift you'd get w/ a longer shackle or if you moved your shackle mount. Also give you an idea just how much your shackle angle changes just by moving your mounts closer or using a longer shackle.

Once again, the numbers aren't absolute and don't mean anything on their own, only when compared to themselves, which is why there's three columns...

yarosig · 01-11-2008, 04:32 PM

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Originally Posted by ovrrdrive

And good luck with your ride quality after a 1.5" tbar crank...

Sorry can't give a crap had much worse before. I think my back can wait for the SAS this summer, meanwhile I daily drive my 2000 4runner.

sr5yota84 · 01-28-2009, 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by yarosig

Sorry can't give a crap had much worse before. I think my back can wait for the SAS this summer, meanwhile I daily drive my 2000 4runner.

So how did this spring swap go? Any pics?

01-08-2008, 04:59 PM	#2 (permalink)
jfreisner Registered User Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Leawood, KS/Fayetteville, AR Posts: 579	You'll have an "Aussie" look, but it should be OK. Yes, the chev's will work with a SAS. __________________ Sold the 4Runners.... 2000 ECSB z71 Silverado -Superlift 6-7.5" -35" Mud Grapplers -16x10 Weld Super Single II's -Straight Pipes w/ 5" Tips -Hypertech

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4runnerchevy Banned fruitloop Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Santa Cruz Posts: 124	Springs Here is a good link, read it before you reply. http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=20665

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tortis Contributing Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: shreveport, La Posts: 1,273	i just did the chevy swap on my 89 truck. love the ride. pretty easy swap. the magic number for me was ten and one eighth of an inch. that is how far forwards i had to move my front hanger to keep the axle in stock location. __________________ 89 Truck X-tra Cab LCE Timing Chain 31'' Maxxis Buckshot 4.88's built by ZUK(the mind reader) Aussie Locker Front and Rear 63'' Chevy Springs Marlin HD Clutch Bilstein HD Shocks 2.5" Exhaust W/Dynomax Muffler 2-50 Watt Backup Lights

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ovrrdrive Registered User Join Date: May 2006 Location: Central Florida Posts: 1,775	Aussie look? Drilling for oil? What the feck man....? The only terms I've seen used are bulldogged for high in the front and raked for high in the back. __________________ '95 xcab - SOLD '03 4runner V8 SR5 completely stock

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Bear80 Registered User Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: San Antonio TX Posts: 364	Here is my write up on the swap, Chevy Spring Swap. I read up on the pirate thread and it helps but I felt there where a few things left out. I tired to make things clear in my write up, such as the way to measure the distances etc. My father runs BJ spacers on his 4runner and my rear setup would be a great match for his front. Just note the shackle lenght and angle. I would recommend buying a Toyota rear hanger and placing it directly behind the stock one and using a similar length shackle to what I run. Also try to find a Toyota truck load leaf, the 4runner load leafs suck and so do the chevy's. You'll also need to think about a double cardon drive shaft. __________________ 1986 Truck - Monster IFS 1997 FZJ80 - Locked, Lifted, Ready Range Rover Recovery Vehicle

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Bear80 Registered User Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: San Antonio TX Posts: 364	The shims acutally point the pinion at the t-case, meaing you'll need a double cardon at the t-case end. __________________ 1986 Truck - Monster IFS 1997 FZJ80 - Locked, Lifted, Ready Range Rover Recovery Vehicle

01-09-2008, 02:33 PM	#18 (permalink)
Bear80 Registered User Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: San Antonio TX Posts: 364	Here is a shot of my truck with the front set at the same hight as my father's 4runner on BJ spacers. The rear springs set slightly higher but it's hard to tell in the pic due to driveway slope. __________________ 1986 Truck - Monster IFS 1997 FZJ80 - Locked, Lifted, Ready Range Rover Recovery Vehicle

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ovrrdrive Registered User Join Date: May 2006 Location: Central Florida Posts: 1,775	And good luck with your ride quality after a 1.5" tbar crank... __________________ '95 xcab - SOLD '03 4runner V8 SR5 completely stock

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