limited slip up front?

toyotanick · 09-16-2009, 08:54 PM

hey guys,
i am looking to get rid of the open diff up front but cant seem to find an e-locker for the 7.5inch ifs diff i have up front, i was wondering if a limited slip would work just as well? this is a daily driver and doesnt go offroad often but when it does i love to just completely destroy those big fords and stuff. n e way how good does limited slip work? or should i just wait and keep looking for an e-locker?

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AxleIke · 09-16-2009, 08:57 PM

You won't find an elocker, since they aren't made for the 7.5" diff.

No, a limited slip isn't as good as a locker. I disliked mine a lot, but many, including 4crawler on here, have had good success. Since this is a truck that doesn't go offroad often, I'd think you'd be fine with the LSD, after some practice with the various techniques for driving with it.

Just don't expect it to work like a locker.

desertcamper67 · 09-16-2009, 09:52 PM

Do they make an ARB for the 7.5? That would be a great investment and help make yours the beast to keep up with.

AxleIke · 09-17-2009, 05:39 AM

Yes they do. Had one for a number of years now.

Junkers88 · 09-17-2009, 06:22 AM

You can put an LSD out of a Supra (unsure what year) in the 7.5 IFS front on your rig. 4crawler has a write up on his site on how to do it. I think it'd be a damn good little combination to have an e-locker in the rear and an LSD in the front.

crolison · 09-17-2009, 06:36 AM

One thing that really gets you with traction on the ifs is raising a tire off of the ground. With a Limited Slip, once that tire is off of the ground, kiss any traction upfront good bye.

With a locker you won't have to worry about it.

I have an arb up front right now, but switching to aussie soon.

AxleIke · 09-17-2009, 07:37 AM

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Originally Posted by crolison

I have an arb up front right now, but switching to aussie soon.

Why? The arb is a much stronger carrier, and selectable.

BigBluePile · 09-17-2009, 09:04 AM

If you go lsd, I'd go with a Detroit Truetrac. It's gear driven and even with a tire up it'll still work.

RustBucket · 09-17-2009, 10:41 AM

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Originally Posted by BigBluePile

If you go lsd, I'd go with a Detroit Truetrac. It's gear driven and even with a tire up it'll still work.

It sort of still works. LSD up front is nice because a little tap on the brake pedal will fool the LSD and it will lock up both sides. Doesn't work as well when it's in the rear because of brake biasing, I guess.

I can think of numerous instances where I've been climbing a slippery, off-camber hill and when the truck begins to lose a little momentum applying the brake pedal allows it to hook back up.

NYChopshop · 09-17-2009, 10:49 AM

x2 on the truetrac. that's what I'm planning on running up front since my 4runner is my daily driver. I plan on keeping my IFS, so I'm going to be getting my 7.5 set up with a truetrac and 4.88s, and my rear with the toyota factory e-locker in a trail-gear rock stomper rear housing. An ARB air locker would be the absolute best for the front, but its a huge investment for a sometimes-wheeled-machine. That's my logic at least. Then again, I predict my truck will see more air than rocks, so I will be building accordingly.

88Cleve4runner · 09-17-2009, 11:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AxleIke

Why? The arb is a much stronger carrier, and selectable.

because i'm getting it

sexonwheels · 09-17-2009, 11:48 AM

ARB locker in the front with IFS = bad idea.

Thats crazy..hope you have some wicked CV's to take the abuse. If your gonna spend $1200 and get serious with a locker, just get a SFA to go with it.

88Cleve4runner · 09-17-2009, 12:17 PM

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Originally Posted by sexonwheels

ARB locker in the front with IFS = bad idea.

Thats crazy..hope you have some wicked CV's to take the abuse. If your gonna spend $1200 and get serious with a locker, just get a SFA to go with it.

how many ARB front IFS lockers have you ran in your IFS? or any lockers at all?

Lumpy · 09-17-2009, 12:48 PM

I'm thinking the LSD in the front would be a good idea. Better traction than an open and it would allow for steering. I believe it would be a better investment than a full locker.

As for 88 he has the right idea...go ARB that way you have the best of both worlds. Lock when you need it and unlock to turn.

Come spring I hope to get a lock-rite for the rear on the Runner.

**Lysmachia** · 09-17-2009, 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by 88Cleve4runner

how many ARB front IFS lockers have you ran in your IFS? or any lockers at all?

Seriously! I run with 3 guys (AxleIke and ~TC~) all have ARB's and IFS. It all comes down to driver skill. And the few times they have broken a CV it was driver error - and they'll admit that! Also another bonus with an ARB is that you have a strong compressor that you can use to air up at the end of the day if you don't have CO2.

I have a TruTrac in Tippy and boy what a PITA it is. I had to use the brake technique all the time since I was always lifting a front tire. FWIW - using the brake technique gives you 3/5ths of the "power" of a selectable locker but it is hard to master the finesse of the brake trick.

AxleIke · 09-17-2009, 02:29 PM

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Originally Posted by sexonwheels

ARB locker in the front with IFS = bad idea.

Thats crazy..hope you have some wicked CV's to take the abuse. If your gonna spend $1200 and get serious with a locker, just get a SFA to go with it.

LOL! Stock toyota CVs are just fine. The only break I've ever had with mine was due to a torn boot and a dry joint. Replaced with a used stock toyota CV, and it's been just fine ever since. And that is with an ARB in the rear, front, plus dual transfercases, with a 2.3-4.7 setup, and 4.88 gears in the diffs.

Only think i've legitimately puked has been the steering.

Handled this just fine:

88Cleve4runner · 09-17-2009, 02:42 PM

i never said because you have ARB that you,ll never break a cv. all i was asking was the experience woth them. the arb can unlock and lock. it came across to me that they were saying because of the ARB, you would break more cv's. not true. the broken cv's i've seen have also been by driver error. if i mess one up chances aee it'll be my fault. but to say because of the arb i woll break a lot of cvs just doesnt make sense.

88Cleve4runner · 09-17-2009, 02:53 PM

ike's runner just plain dominates... just had to put that out there too. i'm not trying to bash you Sex, just correct you lol. now back on topic!!!

tc · 09-17-2009, 03:59 PM

If you drive only on roads or 'wheel easy stuff where you aren't likely to unload or lift a tire, a LSD works fine. Unfortunately, the rest of the time, you get all the drawbacks of a locker (lack of stability on slick offcamber, etc) without many of the benefits (traction when you really need it)

I have cursed at Molly's Trutrac more than any other thing on the trail ever!

**Lysmachia** · 09-17-2009, 04:20 PM

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Originally Posted by tc

I have cursed at Molly's Trutrac more than any other thing on the trail ever!

I dunno.... Cuz I remember you yelling this on Steel bender

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Originally Posted by ike

And i though ron (~TC's~ rig) was breaking for sure with the driving display Troy gave us after yelling something like if you want to be an open open bitch than i am going to drive you like an open open bitch

RustBucket · 09-17-2009, 04:46 PM

AxleIke, you changed your sliders halfway through that trail ride!!!

But seriously, every time I see pictures of that gray 4Runner doin it's thing I feel more proud to wheel IFS!

BigBluePile · 09-17-2009, 04:48 PM

Man, after seeing those pics, looks like I need to trade in my 35's...

AxleIke · 09-17-2009, 05:19 PM

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Originally Posted by 88Cleve4runner

ike's runner just plain dominates... just had to put that out there too. i'm not trying to bash you Sex, just correct you lol. now back on topic!!!

Thanks man! And, I'm not bashing either. Just correcting a common misconception.

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Originally Posted by RustBucket

AxleIke, you changed your sliders halfway through that trail ride!!!

But seriously, every time I see pictures of that gray 4Runner doin it's thing I feel more proud to wheel IFS!

LOL. Thanks man, but those were over a year apart. The top ones were very recent, the bottom from last year. I changed things up a bit.

I changed front bumpers, rear axles, suspension and crossmembers too! LOL

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigBluePile

Man, after seeing those pics, looks like I need to trade in my 35's...

LOL. Eh, wouldn't do that just yet....I keep throwing the idea of bumping up to 35's around, but haven't convinced myself yet!

AxleIke · 09-17-2009, 05:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tc

If you drive only on roads or 'wheel easy stuff where you aren't likely to unload or lift a tire, a LSD works fine. Unfortunately, the rest of the time, you get all the drawbacks of a locker (lack of stability on slick offcamber, etc) without many of the benefits (traction when you really need it)

I have cursed at Molly's Trutrac more than any other thing on the trail ever!

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lysmachia

I dunno.... Cuz I remember you yelling this on Steel bender

LOL Molly, I was about to post the same thing, though I only heard tale of it.

And x2 on TC's post. I cussed my trutrac a lot. However, from the OP's description, it sounds like he'll be just fine with one in the front.

BigBluePile · 09-17-2009, 05:23 PM

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Originally Posted by AxleIke

LOL. Eh, wouldn't do that just yet....I keep throwing the idea of bumping up to 35's around, but haven't convinced myself yet!

Well in THAT case!! LOL!! I like the axle clearance! lol!!

I still want the duals though...

09-16-2009, 08:57 PM	#2 (permalink)
AxleIke Contributing Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Boulder, Colorado Posts: 5,154	You won't find an elocker, since they aren't made for the 7.5" diff. No, a limited slip isn't as good as a locker. I disliked mine a lot, but many, including 4crawler on here, have had good success. Since this is a truck that doesn't go offroad often, I'd think you'd be fine with the LSD, after some practice with the various techniques for driving with it. Just don't expect it to work like a locker. __________________ 1987 Mutant 4runner\|Slightly Modified\|Lacking general build direction\|Now on 35's -Lifts and Tires look cool at the Mall, Lockers and Gears look cool on the trail. -Internet Nice Guy -Most Recent Morph

09-17-2009, 05:39 AM	#4 (permalink)
AxleIke Contributing Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Boulder, Colorado Posts: 5,154	Yes they do. Had one for a number of years now. __________________ 1987 Mutant 4runner\|Slightly Modified\|Lacking general build direction\|Now on 35's -Lifts and Tires look cool at the Mall, Lockers and Gears look cool on the trail. -Internet Nice Guy -Most Recent Morph

09-17-2009, 06:22 AM	#5 (permalink)
Junkers88 Registered User Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Albuquerque NM Posts: 3,361	You can put an LSD out of a Supra (unsure what year) in the 7.5 IFS front on your rig. 4crawler has a write up on his site on how to do it. I think it'd be a damn good little combination to have an e-locker in the rear and an LSD in the front. __________________ RB4R-P. 1st gen runner, couple of mods, couple of dents and a scratch or two.

09-17-2009, 06:36 AM	#6 (permalink)
crolison Registered User Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: TN Posts: 2,437	One thing that really gets you with traction on the ifs is raising a tire off of the ground. With a Limited Slip, once that tire is off of the ground, kiss any traction upfront good bye. With a locker you won't have to worry about it. I have an arb up front right now, but switching to aussie soon. __________________ SAS: GONE ON A BOAT June 12th - August 21st Canada, Spain, Italy, Croatia, Greece, Turkey, Egypt, Morocco - Here I come! Corrosion 2.0: Coming this fall to a trail near you

09-17-2009, 10:49 AM	#10 (permalink)
NYChopshop Registered User Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Back in New York City! Posts: 459	x2 on the truetrac. that's what I'm planning on running up front since my 4runner is my daily driver. I plan on keeping my IFS, so I'm going to be getting my 7.5 set up with a truetrac and 4.88s, and my rear with the toyota factory e-locker in a trail-gear rock stomper rear housing. An ARB air locker would be the absolute best for the front, but its a huge investment for a sometimes-wheeled-machine. That's my logic at least. Then again, I predict my truck will see more air than rocks, so I will be building accordingly. __________________ 1994 4runner 5speed 3.slow 2" ball joint spacers, 2" OME HD lift springs, rancho shocks, magnaflow exhaust, 31x10.5r15 BFG MT KM2's, S&B cold air intake, panhard rod drop bracket, Marlin Crawler 2100lb super heavy duty clutch kit w/ grade 8.8 pressure plate bolts, Wab-re-fabbed manual hubs, procomp light bar, PIAA driving lights My build thread Top Gear Killing a Yota part 1 Top Gear Killing a Yota part 2 Top Gear Killing a Yota part 3

09-17-2009, 11:48 AM	#12 (permalink)
sexonwheels Registered User Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Langley, BC Posts: 28	ARB locker in the front with IFS = bad idea. Thats crazy..hope you have some wicked CV's to take the abuse. If your gonna spend $1200 and get serious with a locker, just get a SFA to go with it. __________________ 1989 Toyota Pick-Up. Standard Cab. 3vze. ARB Deluxe Bull Bar. Warn M8000. Old Man Emu Front & Rear Nitro-Shocks. Old Man Emu Torsion Bars. Old Man Emu Steering Stabilizer. 33x10.50 BFG-KM2. Ellis Presision Accessories. IPF 800XS Driving Lights. ARB Compressor

09-17-2009, 02:42 PM	#17 (permalink)
88Cleve4runner Registered User Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: cleveland tn Posts: 213	i never said because you have ARB that you,ll never break a cv. all i was asking was the experience woth them. the arb can unlock and lock. it came across to me that they were saying because of the ARB, you would break more cv's. not true. the broken cv's i've seen have also been by driver error. if i mess one up chances aee it'll be my fault. but to say because of the arb i woll break a lot of cvs just doesnt make sense. __________________ 88 4runner-22RE, 5sp, 33x12.50 bighorns, ARB front locker, Aussie Rear locker, sliders, rear bumper, skids, Chevy 63's,2 hella 500's 98 4runner- 3.4 auto, stocker DD my profile- http://www.yotatech.com/f77/my-profi.../#post51044313

09-17-2009, 02:53 PM	#18 (permalink)
88Cleve4runner Registered User Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: cleveland tn Posts: 213	ike's runner just plain dominates... just had to put that out there too. i'm not trying to bash you Sex, just correct you lol. now back on topic!!! __________________ 88 4runner-22RE, 5sp, 33x12.50 bighorns, ARB front locker, Aussie Rear locker, sliders, rear bumper, skids, Chevy 63's,2 hella 500's 98 4runner- 3.4 auto, stocker DD my profile- http://www.yotatech.com/f77/my-profi.../#post51044313

09-17-2009, 03:59 PM	#19 (permalink)
tc Contributing Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Longmont, CO Posts: 8,921	If you drive only on roads or 'wheel easy stuff where you aren't likely to unload or lift a tire, a LSD works fine. Unfortunately, the rest of the time, you get all the drawbacks of a locker (lack of stability on slick offcamber, etc) without many of the benefits (traction when you really need it) I have cursed at Molly's Trutrac more than any other thing on the trail ever! __________________ Check out www.coTTORA.org to hook up with great Toyota 'wheelin' folks! Current - 93 4Runner: 3VZ 33"x10.50" no lift ARB F/R 96 Impala SS: My own personal cop car Previous - 89 2WD Pickup 22R, Fabtech "Ivan Dan" lift, 31x10.50, IASCA World Finals 4th Place Stop with the mods and get on the trail! Pix at www.4wheelingoh.shutterfly.com/action

09-17-2009, 04:46 PM	#21 (permalink)
RustBucket Registered User Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Cumming, GA Posts: 1,152	AxleIke, you changed your sliders halfway through that trail ride!!! But seriously, every time I see pictures of that gray 4Runner doin it's thing I feel more proud to wheel IFS! __________________ Rust-Free '88 Runner. Stay-at-home truck.

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