Jasper 4 cylinder engine vs. Orient engine.....why the price difference?

vmax84 · 07-05-2006, 06:04 PM

Ok, here we go again!! How the heck I've gone from "just replacing the camshaft" to "let's just replace everything" is beyond me!!!

Anyway, as a previous post stated (and a few other ones), I need a new cylinder head for my 89 4runner. But since I'm "going in", I figure I might as well replace the timing chain, timing chain guides and cover, water pump, oil pump, drop the oil pan. Man, I'm really making a lot of work for myself here.

Anyway, here's my question: Why is the Jasper engine around 2300 bucks while the Orient engines are around 1400?

Can anyone shed some light on this for me? I've got $1040 so far in my "4runner fund", so I'm not that far away from just getting another engine that already has all the stuff replaced that I want replaced.

Your help, as always, is appreciated.

vmax84

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toyaholic · 07-05-2006, 07:05 PM

it's all in the name. jasper is a reputable company with a great warranty and they have been around for a long time. not many people are willing to shell out the doe though. that's why you don't hear much about them around here. the 22r series motors are just too simple to work on for most people that still own them. for the others that want to just replace them, the other companies like orient are a whole lot cheaper.
i think i got that right. any other opinions?

DirtCheap · 07-05-2006, 09:44 PM

You can rebuild the engine for aprox. $600.00 including machine work. Check "Engnbldr.com" for the parts.

vmax84 · 07-06-2006, 03:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DirtCheap

You can rebuild the engine for aprox. $600.00 including machine work. Check "Engnbldr.com" for the parts.

Well, my truck definately needs a new cylinder head since the middle camshaft support is galled. So, I would have close to $500 in a new cylinder head and camshaft from them. Add in the timing chain stuff, water pump, oil pump, etc., and I'm starting to come close to the $1400 that Orient wants for one of their rebuilds.

vmax84

DirtCheap · 07-06-2006, 06:31 AM

HELLOOOO, Check Engnbldr.com! For $219.00 the Master Rebuild Kit includes everything but the head, cam and water pump. You can buy a used cam for $20.00, head for under $50.00 ($125.00 for complete engine) at my local salvage yard and have it rebuilt. I, stay away from rebuilt engines since I, don't trust anyone's work but my own. Shop around you can do it for a lower price than $1400.00. I, would think closer to $800.00.

snap-on · 07-06-2006, 06:38 AM

I have a jasper 3vze and its been a GREAT motor. 100K on it and runs like a champ

ovrrdrive · 07-06-2006, 06:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DirtCheap

HELLOOOO, Check Engnbldr.com! For $219.00 the Master Rebuild Kit includes everything but the head, cam and water pump. You can buy a used cam for $20.00, head for under $50.00 ($125.00 for complete engine) at my local salvage yard and have it rebuilt. I, stay away from rebuilt engines since I, don't trust anyone's work but my own. Shop around you can do it for a lower price than $1400.00. I, would think closer to $800.00.

$50 for a used head is kind of a stretch isn't it?

There are way too many variables for you to assume he can get a good head for that.

Also, orient offers a 3 year unlimited milage warranty on their engines. How can you expect to match that doing it yourself?

If it's a hobby I would redo it myself. If its a daily driver I'd pay to have a warranty. There are also time and ability constraints to consider as well.

What works for one is not necesarrily an option for all.

toyaholic · 07-06-2006, 06:56 AM

i lucked out and bought a head from member pattycakes77 on here for 66 bucks shipped and it is in great shape. it is possible, but if time is an issue chances are pretty slim that you will come accross a deal like that.

4Hummer · 07-06-2006, 07:53 AM

I have a complete Head (Valves, Cam, Lifters you name it)

I would sell it to you for $75 + Shipping

PM Me

04 Rocko Taco · 07-06-2006, 08:01 AM

...and there you go! YotaTech comes to the rescue again.

DirtCheap · 07-06-2006, 08:20 AM

50.00 for a head is not a stretch. I've found them for 20.00.

vmax84 · 07-06-2006, 05:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 4Hummer

I have a complete Head (Valves, Cam, Lifters you name it)

I would sell it to you for $75 + Shipping

PM Me

Oh man.........how do you PM somebody???!!!!

vmax84

dstrick32 · 07-07-2006, 07:29 PM

Left click on senders name and choose Send a Private Message To _____!!

07-05-2006, 07:05 PM	#2 (permalink)
toyaholic Registered User Join Date: May 2005 Location: memphis, but los angeles temporarily Posts: 257	it's all in the name. jasper is a reputable company with a great warranty and they have been around for a long time. not many people are willing to shell out the doe though. that's why you don't hear much about them around here. the 22r series motors are just too simple to work on for most people that still own them. for the others that want to just replace them, the other companies like orient are a whole lot cheaper. i think i got that right. any other opinions? __________________ -89 deluxe 4runner 22re/A340H -85 extended cab 4x4 with 22r/G52 -89 corolla 4af

07-05-2006, 09:44 PM	#3 (permalink)
DirtCheap Registered User Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: S.F Bay Area, Currently in TX Posts: 103	You can rebuild the engine for aprox. $600.00 including machine work. Check "Engnbldr.com" for the parts. __________________ 1995 Toyota, 4x4, XT, Cab, 5 spd, 2" Trailmaster Lift, Downey Headers, BFG KO's

07-06-2006, 06:31 AM	#5 (permalink)
DirtCheap Registered User Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: S.F Bay Area, Currently in TX Posts: 103	HELLOOOO, Check Engnbldr.com! For $219.00 the Master Rebuild Kit includes everything but the head, cam and water pump. You can buy a used cam for $20.00, head for under $50.00 ($125.00 for complete engine) at my local salvage yard and have it rebuilt. I, stay away from rebuilt engines since I, don't trust anyone's work but my own. Shop around you can do it for a lower price than $1400.00. I, would think closer to $800.00. __________________ 1995 Toyota, 4x4, XT, Cab, 5 spd, 2" Trailmaster Lift, Downey Headers, BFG KO's

07-06-2006, 06:38 AM	#6 (permalink)
snap-on Registered User Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: STL MO Posts: 2,382	I have a jasper 3vze and its been a GREAT motor. 100K on it and runs like a champ __________________ 94 EX cab, 5speed, V6, locked, ARB bar, NWOR headers 92 4runner, auto, V6, OME suspension, Downey headers

07-06-2006, 06:56 AM	#8 (permalink)
toyaholic Registered User Join Date: May 2005 Location: memphis, but los angeles temporarily Posts: 257	i lucked out and bought a head from member pattycakes77 on here for 66 bucks shipped and it is in great shape. it is possible, but if time is an issue chances are pretty slim that you will come accross a deal like that. __________________ -89 deluxe 4runner 22re/A340H -85 extended cab 4x4 with 22r/G52 -89 corolla 4af

07-06-2006, 07:53 AM	#9 (permalink)
4Hummer Registered User Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Canada Posts: 1,975	I have a complete Head (Valves, Cam, Lifters you name it) I would sell it to you for $75 + Shipping PM Me __________________ Michael 1991 4Runner 22RE. CHOP www.obsessiveoffroadclub.com

07-06-2006, 08:01 AM	#10 (permalink)
04 Rocko Taco Contributing Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Atlanta, Ga Posts: 4,070	...and there you go! YotaTech comes to the rescue again. __________________ -Chris Tread Lightly! 04 Double Cab PreRunner. 3.4 - Auto 84 4Runner 4WD. 22R - 5 spd Lifted, Locked, 33x12.50 Disclaimer:My Photobucket is being revamped. If there are broken links, shoot me a PM. Thanks. ~Chris Great Toyota Tech

07-06-2006, 08:20 AM	#11 (permalink)
DirtCheap Registered User Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: S.F Bay Area, Currently in TX Posts: 103	50.00 for a head is not a stretch. I've found them for 20.00. __________________ 1995 Toyota, 4x4, XT, Cab, 5 spd, 2" Trailmaster Lift, Downey Headers, BFG KO's

07-07-2006, 07:29 PM	#13 (permalink)
dstrick32 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Florida Posts: 98	Left click on senders name and choose Send a Private Message To _____!! __________________ 94 Toyota P/U Ex-Cab 3.0 Automatic 4X4

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