Idle issue - Page 2 - YotaTech Forums
YotaTech Forums  

Go Back   YotaTech Forums > Toyota Forums Available > Toyota SUV & Truck Tech > 86-95 Trucks & 4Runners

Notices

Welcome to Yotatech!
Welcome to Yotatech,

You are currently viewing our forum as a guest, which gives you limited access to view most discussions and access our other features. By joining our community, at no cost, you will have access to post topics, communicate privately with other members (PM), respond to polls, upload content and access many other special features. Registration is free, fast and simple, so please join our community today!


Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Old 01-21-2007, 12:45 PM   #26 (permalink)
Registered User
 
Sonofmayhem's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Springs, Colorado
Posts: 1,700
The oil pressure sender already has a plug on it and it was working. im maybe it was a wrong plug, but oh well, now I cant get it to stay running, it will start on carb cleaner, and will run on it, and if we have the return line pinched off it will run awesome. so does anyone know anyother answers to my delema before i take it to a dealer?

Thanks
This ad is not displayed to registered members.
Register your free account today and become a member on Yotatech!
__________________
4.3/5.0 Do iT!
Sonofmayhem is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
Old 01-22-2007, 07:56 AM   #27 (permalink)
Registered User
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Posts: 15
You have low fuel psi. When you pinch off your return line you are almost doubling your fuel pumps psi. You could have a weak fuel pump or a restriction some where (lines, fuel filter...) 9 times out of 10 it's the electric fuel pump but you should check for restrictions first. At this point you need a fuel psi gauge.

Also because you have some wiring problems it would be a very good idea to double check any and all wiring related to the fuel control sytem
(cold start vave, c.t.s. a.f.m. t.p.s. e.c.m.)

I Hope this helps.

Last edited by smar06; 01-22-2007 at 07:57 AM.
smar06 is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
Old 01-22-2007, 11:22 AM   #28 (permalink)
Registered User
 
Targetnut's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: Manassas, VA
Posts: 554
Low fuel pressure might be the problem, but any lean condition would benefit from an increase in fuel pressure caused by pinching off the return line. And if the fuel pump were the culprit then it is unlikely that pinching off the return line would even increase the fuel pressure.

First check for air leaks, especially in the intake tract between the air flow sensor and the throttle.

Then you should check the fuel pressure. if it is low then you'll need to find out why. If you can get it up to spec by pinching off the return line then look at the pressure regulator first. If the pressure won't go over 60psi or so with the return line pinched off then look at the fuel pump or circuit. Keep in mind that a weak fuel pump could be so due to a resistance issue in the electrical circuit causing an excessive voltage drop to the pump.

Then test the coolant temp sensor. the best way to do this is to check the voltage a the THW terminal at the ECM. Back-probe the connector with a small diameter probe. You should have 2-3V there when cold (temperature dependent) and as the engine warms up it should drop to around 0.5V when fully warmed up If that is OK then you'll want to check the airflow sensor.

If all that is OK then you'll want to check that O2 sensor operation

These are the things that have the biggest effect on fuel mixture and the most likely to cause a drivability issue as bad as you describe.

Having a bunch of hacked up wires like you have found can be a good indication that there are other "gremlins" lurking. I'd be suprised to find that your problem is not electrical in nature.
__________________
Targetnut

don't talk about it, just do it!

Precision Import Service

'93 2WD 22RE, Ported w/os valves, custom intake manifold, crane cam,Megasquirt, 295cc injctrs, Supra fuel pump, adj fuel pres reg, 70mm throttle, LCE header, V6 Taco cat, 14lb flywheel, Kevlar clutch, W58 and short shifter, 4.10 gears w/Truetrac, drop spindles and blocks, 245/50-16 Yokos on 16x8 wheels, 4WD fenders, bumper, and valence, skinned tailgate
Targetnut is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
Old 01-22-2007, 11:29 AM   #29 (permalink)
Registered User
 
TC22RE's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: New Mexico
Posts: 100
You may also want to check your throttle bore if nobody else has mentioned it. They can get gummed up with carbon and oil from crank case. Take your intake piping off and look at your throttle bore, if it is black and dirty looking some carb cleaner and a rag will fix ya right up, clean it off and give it a shot. A gummed up throttle bore will definately make it idle poorly. Be careful not to spray too much into your intake if you clean it and just be gentle starting it, it probably wont want to start at first from the excess carb cleaner but will eventually. Thats my 2 cents.
__________________
'94 Single Cab 4x4 Pickup
Turbocharged/Modified 22RE
SDS EFI System
Std 5spd
31x10.50 BFG's
TC22RE is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
Old 01-22-2007, 12:02 PM   #30 (permalink)
Registered User
 
rdlsz24's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Pecatonica, IL
Posts: 1,483
Send a message via AIM to rdlsz24
I just had a similiar issue:

http://www.yotatech.com/showthread.php?t=104627

Rob
__________________
1988 Xtra Cab Pickup ('94 22RE; 4x4; 5spd)
Rancho lift w/ 33x12.5x15 tires & 5.29s
rdlsz24 is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
Old 01-22-2007, 09:25 PM   #31 (permalink)
Registered User
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Posts: 15
I think we can all agree that the wiring has to be a large part of the problem. Now I'm kind of new to this site and I don't know anybody here. So to get an idea of whats going on with your truck I would like to know a few things about it.

Did these problems just start.
Was there some recent work done & then the problems started
The cut wires are they because of recent work
Has the truck been out of service for a while
????
smar06 is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
Old 01-24-2007, 07:05 PM   #32 (permalink)
Registered User
 
Sonofmayhem's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Springs, Colorado
Posts: 1,700
we fixed some wiring, now it will start no problem it just wont run with out revving it up.... it will bog down and then die. ill take a look at that thanks.
__________________
4.3/5.0 Do iT!
Sonofmayhem is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
Old 01-27-2007, 07:51 PM   #33 (permalink)
Registered User
 
Sonofmayhem's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Springs, Colorado
Posts: 1,700
truck has sat for a good 7 months, in the garage, it has a new engine in it, we swapped over the engine, but kept the comp and wiring harness, the two connectors on the front were different, so i spliced them using butt connectors, which didnt work so we just spliced them and now it will start just not stay running unless im giving it gas. it was timed at a higher than average idle.
__________________
4.3/5.0 Do iT!
Sonofmayhem is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
Old 01-29-2007, 06:41 PM   #34 (permalink)
Registered User
 
Sonofmayhem's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Springs, Colorado
Posts: 1,700
i have 8 Check engine codes.... Im thinking bad CPU? and mass airflow sensor.
__________________
4.3/5.0 Do iT!
Sonofmayhem is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
Old 01-30-2007, 08:11 PM   #35 (permalink)
Registered User
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Posts: 15
Some or most of those codes may have been set when you were trying to run the truck with all the wiring problems. Plus if you were disconecting any senser plugs while running like the tps or cts that will set codes. The codes will be stored in the ecm memory so you need to erase the old codes 1st. then run the truck and see what codes are set now. I think Toyota says to remove the ecm fuse for x amount of time but I've always just disconected the neg battery cable for 60 sec.
smar06 is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
Old 01-30-2007, 08:58 PM   #36 (permalink)
Registered User
 
MudHippy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: The Realm Of Fecal Cohesion
Posts: 2,014
Rule out your EGR this way. Disconnect at plenum, will require the unbolting bolts for EGR mount, pull the unit out of plenum and cork hole. Then try starting. If better, your done. You've just by-passed your EGR , thus proving it's malfunction. This is symptomatic of EGR failure, sorry, forgot.

Last edited by MudHippy; 01-30-2007 at 09:00 PM.
MudHippy is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
Old 01-31-2007, 07:02 PM   #37 (permalink)
Registered User
 
Sonofmayhem's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Springs, Colorado
Posts: 1,700
cool, i will pull the neg cable and efi fuse and let the codes reset, i hope its not true about all 8 lol if that doesnt help ill disengage the egr.

THANKS

keep the ideas coming.
__________________
4.3/5.0 Do iT!
Sonofmayhem is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
Old 02-02-2007, 07:03 PM   #38 (permalink)
Registered User
 
Targetnut's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: Manassas, VA
Posts: 554
Before removing the EGR valve first unplug the vacuum hose that goes to it. Along with your hacked up wiring someone may have mis-routed the vacuum hoses and ended up with manifold vacuum running directly to the EGR valve causing it to stay open at idle which would result in stalling.
__________________
Targetnut

don't talk about it, just do it!

Precision Import Service

'93 2WD 22RE, Ported w/os valves, custom intake manifold, crane cam,Megasquirt, 295cc injctrs, Supra fuel pump, adj fuel pres reg, 70mm throttle, LCE header, V6 Taco cat, 14lb flywheel, Kevlar clutch, W58 and short shifter, 4.10 gears w/Truetrac, drop spindles and blocks, 245/50-16 Yokos on 16x8 wheels, 4WD fenders, bumper, and valence, skinned tailgate
Targetnut is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
Old 02-03-2007, 06:57 PM   #39 (permalink)
Registered User
 
Sonofmayhem's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Springs, Colorado
Posts: 1,700
do you have a vaccum hose diagram for an 89 4runner? 22re 4wd, 5spd. federal model?

THanks ill try that too.
__________________
4.3/5.0 Do iT!
Sonofmayhem is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
Old 02-05-2007, 04:00 PM   #40 (permalink)
Registered User
 
Targetnut's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: Manassas, VA
Posts: 554
you should have a diagram under your hood
__________________
Targetnut

don't talk about it, just do it!

Precision Import Service

'93 2WD 22RE, Ported w/os valves, custom intake manifold, crane cam,Megasquirt, 295cc injctrs, Supra fuel pump, adj fuel pres reg, 70mm throttle, LCE header, V6 Taco cat, 14lb flywheel, Kevlar clutch, W58 and short shifter, 4.10 gears w/Truetrac, drop spindles and blocks, 245/50-16 Yokos on 16x8 wheels, 4WD fenders, bumper, and valence, skinned tailgate
Targetnut is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
Old 02-05-2007, 06:50 PM   #41 (permalink)
Registered User
 
Sonofmayhem's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Springs, Colorado
Posts: 1,700
my hood dont got no stickers
__________________
4.3/5.0 Do iT!
Sonofmayhem is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote
Reply

Tags
22re, bad, cpu, efi, fuse, megasquirt, oil, pressure, sender

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Idle Issue JEBSR5 86-95 Trucks & 4Runners 25 03-16-2007 06:05 PM
22RE Idle Issue blb 95.5-2004 Tacomas & 96-2002 4Runners 5 01-02-2006 02:32 PM
22RE idle issue? dave151 95.5-2004 Tacomas & 96-2002 4Runners 3 10-24-2005 12:48 PM
idle issue jayson161 95.5-2004 Tacomas & 96-2002 4Runners 5 12-13-2004 08:57 PM
Idle spped issue markjs 95.5-2004 Tacomas & 96-2002 4Runners 8 01-03-2004 02:32 AM


All times are GMT -8. The time now is 02:46 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.7.4
Copyright ©2000 - 2009, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Search Engine Optimization by vBSEO 3.1.0
Powered by vbWiki Pro . Copyright ©2006, NuHit, LLC
2009 InternetBrands, Inc.