Brake question!

tortex53 · 10-27-2007, 07:57 PM

I got my brakes done at Les Schwab a couple of years ago and have had problems with them ever since. I recently redid them myself, and it ends up I'm missing the anti-rattle clips. When driving, I hear a clicking noise that stops when you apply the brakes. It is pretty loud. It also rattles pretty good when I go over bumps. I never had this problem before I had my brakes redone at Les Schwab; I think they disposed of the hardware! I know I'm missing these parts, but the problem is that I can't find a good diagram or information on what I need. CSK auto lists a part that they can't even order. Autozone has a metal contraption that I can't even begin to figure out how it would attach to the brakes, let alone make it stop rattling. The dealer listed something similar to what Autozone sold me. Does anybody have a good diagram or can give me a good description of the anti-rattle clips/springs needed for 4X4 brakes on a '92 4runner? I would greatly appreciate it!

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OSU4Runner · 10-27-2007, 07:59 PM

So you need a new set of anti rattle clips? The dealership should have your info for sure

GSGALLANT · 10-28-2007, 07:49 AM

Posting a picture of what you have will make it easier for people to tell you what you're missing.

Marc · 10-28-2007, 08:55 AM

Here's a picture of what hardware should be there.

Reldnew · 10-28-2007, 09:25 AM

I got mine at Autozoned

Luvmeye22re · 10-28-2007, 09:41 AM

Yup if you're missing that stuff it will cause some small problems. Another thing I firmly believe in as well is if you replace one caliper, you replace the other caliper. What kind of work did they do? Might help nail it down.

tortex53 · 10-28-2007, 10:59 AM

Thank you for that picture. That helps. I have the side clip thingies. That spring that goes between the two pads is only on my left brake. When I went to the dealer and asked for that part, they said that it is only on 91 and earlier. 92's have a different part. Autozone sold me the same part that the dealer told me I needed. The only problem is that I can't figure out how it is supposed to be installed! Here is a link to the part that autozone sold me since I can't figure out how to post pictures...

http://www.autozone.com/R,APP1438202...ductDetail.htm

Thanks for your help!

infiltrator · 10-28-2007, 11:41 AM

you guys will crap your pants when you hear my brakes

i too got mine done and got a "special" deal and that meant i got the crappiest pads that squeak bad..

sucks when you pick up girls...

toyota_mdt_tech · 10-28-2007, 11:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tortex53

I got my brakes done at Les Schwab a couple of years ago and have had problems with them ever since. I recently redid them myself, and it ends up I'm missing the anti-rattle clips. When driving, I hear a clicking noise that stops when you apply the brakes. It is pretty loud. It also rattles pretty good when I go over bumps. I never had this problem before I had my brakes redone at Les Schwab; I think they disposed of the hardware! I know I'm missing these parts, but the problem is that I can't find a good diagram or information on what I need. CSK auto lists a part that they can't even order. Autozone has a metal contraption that I can't even begin to figure out how it would attach to the brakes, let alone make it stop rattling. The dealer listed something similar to what Autozone sold me. Does anybody have a good diagram or can give me a good description of the anti-rattle clips/springs needed for 4X4 brakes on a '92 4runner? I would greatly appreciate it!

From the dealer, there is actually 2 kits you can get. One is the shim kit, this is the shims on the back of the pads and a release spring if equipped. Next kit is the one you are after, called the "fit" of "fitting kit" and its the clips at each end of the pads where they go into the anchor plates. Les Schwab is great with tires, but there brake overhauls consist of all new rebuilt calipers. Problem with their calipers is the plating has been all bead blasted off, so they rust up fast and stick.

Luvmeye22re · 10-28-2007, 12:35 PM

You will need to pull the pad retaining pins to put in the anti rattle spring. You'll see what I mean if you take it apart.

GSGALLANT · 10-28-2007, 12:43 PM

The new springs that you got should work for you. You hook one end behind one of the brake caliper pins, and snap the other end over the other brake caliper pins. It doesn't really matter which end goes up and which end goes down. And for that kind of spring, you don't need to remove the caliper pins to install them.

toyota_mdt_tech · 10-28-2007, 04:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Luvmeye22re

You will need to pull the pad retaining pins to put in the anti rattle spring. You'll see what I mean if you take it apart.

The anti ratle spring, we call the "W" clip. Thats what is kinda looks like. Anyway, it does matter which way it goes in. It needs to be on the bottom pin where the caliper is behind the rotor. This not only keeps the pads from rattling left to right, but front to back. And on the bottom, it pushes the pads forward, so when you apply the brakes, the pads are alread forward, this keeps them from doing a "click" each time you step on the brakes. Now it wont work too well backwards, but you are usually moving slow in reverse and only brake a few times that way. After you have this "W" clip in place, kinda pull out on the middle of the "W" to wind it up so to speak, this will keep the clip from rubbing on the rotor and cutting through it as the pads wear down.

GSGALLANT · 10-29-2007, 05:27 PM

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Originally Posted by toyota_mdt_tech

The anti ratle spring, we call the "W" clip. Thats what is kinda looks like. Anyway, it does matter which way it goes in. It needs to be on the bottom pin where the caliper is behind the rotor. This not only keeps the pads from rattling left to right, but front to back. And on the bottom, it pushes the pads forward, so when you apply the brakes, the pads are alread forward, this keeps them from doing a "click" each time you step on the brakes. Now it wont work too well backwards, but you are usually moving slow in reverse and only brake a few times that way. After you have this "W" clip in place, kinda pull out on the middle of the "W" to wind it up so to speak, this will keep the clip from rubbing on the rotor and cutting through it as the pads wear down.

He doesn't have a W clip. He has a '92, which uses the new style anti-rattle spring. See the pic in post #7.

toyota_mdt_tech · 10-29-2007, 06:58 PM

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Originally Posted by GSGALLANT

He doesn't have a W clip. He has a '92, which uses the new style anti-rattle spring. See the pic in post #7.

OK, seen it. That design also has a "backwards", make sure the looped end goes upward. The idea is it also keeps the pads pushed forward.

10-27-2007, 07:59 PM	#2 (permalink)
OSU4Runner Registered User Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Woodway, TX Posts: 1,337	So you need a new set of anti rattle clips? The dealership should have your info for sure __________________ 2006 Tacoma SR5 - Stock for now 2000 4Runner Limited 16x8 Pro Comp Steelies wrapped in 285/75R16 Pro Comp M/T'S~RB 2" Body Lift~SS 1.2 Lift~1st Gen Roll Bar~Surco Safari Rack~ Trail Gear Sliders~Deckplate Mod w/ True Flow~Satoshi Grille~Hayden 1678 Aux Cooler~Safari Snorkel and a bunch of other crap.....

10-28-2007, 07:49 AM	#3 (permalink)
GSGALLANT Registered User Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: New Brunswick, Canada Posts: 1,760	Posting a picture of what you have will make it easier for people to tell you what you're missing. __________________ 2002 4Runner, Auto-A340F, 3.4L, 4.30 Gears TJM T15 Front Bumper & Warn M8000, 4xInnovation sliders, Sonoran Steel 1.2 Lift, Toytec LCA Skids, Tundra Brake Upgrade (231mm), Extended rear diff breather, Deckplate Mod, Andymod, Dual batt setup with Optima blue top aux battery, Hardwired 1000W inverter, Aux fuse box, Full time power to 12V plugs, Yaesu FT7800R Radio, "4-air" system for airing up/down tires. 2004 Camry LE - stock (and will stay that way) 1993 4Runner has been sold

10-28-2007, 08:55 AM	#4 (permalink)
Marc Contributing Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Winnipeg, MB, Canada Posts: 690	Here's a picture of what hardware should be there. __________________ '91 4Runner SR5 V6 4X4 Auto, A/C, 4.56, 31x10.5x15 Nokian Vatiiva Tires, Taurus fan (removed) '90 4Runner SR5 V6 4X4 Auto, A/C, 4.56 V6 power with V8 fuel mileage I've used Fram oil filters and dino oil in all my stuff for 30 years and never had trouble I bet MOST people who say "swap in a 3.4" have NEVER changed any engine nevermind converting to a different type

10-28-2007, 09:25 AM	#5 (permalink)
Reldnew Registered User Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Northwest Ohio Posts: 173	I got mine at Autozoned __________________ Reldnew 91 4Runner-Very Used but Very Usable!

10-28-2007, 09:41 AM	#6 (permalink)
Luvmeye22re Registered User Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Ski town Colorado Posts: 455	Yup if you're missing that stuff it will cause some small problems. Another thing I firmly believe in as well is if you replace one caliper, you replace the other caliper. What kind of work did they do? Might help nail it down. __________________ 86 Runner with rebuilt 22re and 5 speed swap

10-28-2007, 10:59 AM	#7 (permalink)
tortex53 Registered User Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: arcadia, CA Posts: 5	Thank you for that picture. That helps. I have the side clip thingies. That spring that goes between the two pads is only on my left brake. When I went to the dealer and asked for that part, they said that it is only on 91 and earlier. 92's have a different part. Autozone sold me the same part that the dealer told me I needed. The only problem is that I can't figure out how it is supposed to be installed! Here is a link to the part that autozone sold me since I can't figure out how to post pictures... http://www.autozone.com/R,APP1438202...ductDetail.htm Thanks for your help!

10-28-2007, 11:41 AM	#8 (permalink)
infiltrator Registered User Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Valencia, California Posts: 1,307	you guys will crap your pants when you hear my brakes i too got mine done and got a "special" deal and that meant i got the crappiest pads that squeak bad.. sucks when you pick up girls... __________________ Old Rig: '95 4runner \| White \| ISR \| 193,000mi. \| Totalled.

10-28-2007, 12:35 PM	#10 (permalink)
Luvmeye22re Registered User Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Ski town Colorado Posts: 455	You will need to pull the pad retaining pins to put in the anti rattle spring. You'll see what I mean if you take it apart. __________________ 86 Runner with rebuilt 22re and 5 speed swap

10-28-2007, 12:43 PM	#11 (permalink)
GSGALLANT Registered User Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: New Brunswick, Canada Posts: 1,760	The new springs that you got should work for you. You hook one end behind one of the brake caliper pins, and snap the other end over the other brake caliper pins. It doesn't really matter which end goes up and which end goes down. And for that kind of spring, you don't need to remove the caliper pins to install them. __________________ 2002 4Runner, Auto-A340F, 3.4L, 4.30 Gears TJM T15 Front Bumper & Warn M8000, 4xInnovation sliders, Sonoran Steel 1.2 Lift, Toytec LCA Skids, Tundra Brake Upgrade (231mm), Extended rear diff breather, Deckplate Mod, Andymod, Dual batt setup with Optima blue top aux battery, Hardwired 1000W inverter, Aux fuse box, Full time power to 12V plugs, Yaesu FT7800R Radio, "4-air" system for airing up/down tires. 2004 Camry LE - stock (and will stay that way) 1993 4Runner has been sold

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