ADD to Manual Hubs

johnperrone11 · 01-24-2006, 10:46 AM

I did a search on this subject and found lots of info, but still no answer to the question: Do I have to do the Spindle Nut Conversion when going from ADD to Aisin Manual Hubs, or can I just slap in the new hubs and go?

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'94Runner4WD · 01-24-2006, 11:04 AM

Just take off the ADD flange and the new hubs should slap right on.

snap-on · 01-24-2006, 11:07 AM

^^^^^ what he said

johnperrone11 · 01-24-2006, 11:59 AM

Sweeet, thanks guys.

Flamedx4 · 01-24-2006, 04:07 PM

Don't forget to do the spindle gear reversal and install new circlip retainer bearings.

leebee · 01-24-2006, 06:13 PM

thanks phil, that explains why mine has been running in reverse!

lee

johnperrone11 · 01-25-2006, 09:48 AM

AHH yes, spindle gear reversal.... How do I do that?
Forgive me, I'm still a fairly new yota owner, and this is the first vehicle I've ever owned w/ IFS.

Flamedx4 · 01-25-2006, 02:28 PM

Heehee. Just pullin yer leg.
Everybody knows you only gotta do the spindle gear reversal when you use a Dana 44 reverse rotation axle for your SAS....

RustBucket · 01-25-2006, 03:35 PM

It's a piece of cake. Just an echo - no you don't need the spindle nut conversion kit.

leebee · 01-25-2006, 04:00 PM

hey phil!!

looks like we had a live one there!

lee

johnperrone11 · 01-26-2006, 10:31 AM

Okay, Okay... Lets not pick on the new guy too much.
So no conversions, just slap 'em on and go.
Sounds good.

Flamedx4 · 01-26-2006, 10:55 AM

Yep, the only time you have to do the spindle nut conversion is if you are going from auto hubs to manual. ADD to manual is a snap. Takes longer to R&R the tires than to do the hubs.

AUYota · 01-27-2006, 04:11 PM

IS it a GOOD IDEA to replace the ADD to man. hubs? pros and cons??

cootees · 01-27-2006, 04:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AUYota

IS it a GOOD IDEA to replace the ADD to man. hubs? pros and cons??

Very good idea. Manual hubs will give you less wear on your cv shafts. plus maybe a hint of better gas mileage. That is enough pro's to make anyone want to do it. Less wear = less breakage.

Only con is you have to get out of your truck to lock the front wheels in 4wd.

91_4x4runner · 01-27-2006, 09:28 PM

Soon as I get the money, I think I'm going to do the ADD defeat and then convert to manual hubs. Money is the root of all evil

leebee · 01-28-2006, 02:12 AM

no need to defeat the existing system, just bolt the aisin's on and youre good to go.

lee

91_4x4runner · 01-28-2006, 06:30 AM

The issue is that my ADD is starting to fail I believe. It only enguages in 4WD 1/2 the time and I believe its related to the ADD system.

http://www.4x4wire.com/toyota/tech/add/

johnperrone11 · 01-28-2006, 08:42 AM

91,
I think the Aisin's would remedy your problem. I'm doing it simply because I hate changing CV axles. If the manual hub will save me from doing another CV just once, they've paid for themselves x's 10. Keep and eye on e-bay. Sometimes there's some good deals. But don't pay more than $40 for them on ebay, because the yotayard sells them for that, plus $10-$15 shipping.

Dr.Feelgood · 01-28-2006, 09:05 AM

Here's a question: if after doing the swap to manual hubs (which I'm starting about10 minutes), if you leave the hubs free and pull your lever into 4-Lo, does that essentially give you 2-Lo?

91_4x4runner · 01-28-2006, 05:00 PM

If you leave the front hubs unlocked, yeah i imagine.

johnperrone11 · 01-28-2006, 05:25 PM

Dr.Feelgood · 01-29-2006, 10:41 AM

I got mine done yesterday. Piece of cake. The cone washers came out easily with a light tap on the outside of the hub. Just had to keep a finger on the end of the stud cause some of 'em fly right out. All I had to do was make new gaskets to go between the hub and hub body. Here they are on...

johnperrone11 · 01-29-2006, 11:20 AM

Look good.

leebee · 01-29-2006, 02:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dr.Feelgood

Here's a question: if after doing the swap to manual hubs (which I'm starting about10 minutes), if you leave the hubs free and pull your lever into 4-Lo, does that essentially give you 2-Lo?

yup, thats pretty much it.

lee

Dr.Feelgood · 01-29-2006, 05:45 PM

Lee, should I have done the spindle gear reversal before I put it back together? I'm getting an awful grinding noise now.

01-24-2006, 11:04 AM	#2 (permalink)
'94Runner4WD Registered User Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Columbia, SC Posts: 17	Just take off the ADD flange and the new hubs should slap right on. __________________ 1994 4Runner SR5 4WD + 33x12.50in Dunlop Mud Rovers + 15x8 Aftermarket Rims + LX Coils + 1.5" Ball Joint Spacers + K&N FIPK + 1" Roger Brown Body Lift + Aisin Manual Hubs + JVC KD-LH300 CD/MP3 Player + Badgeless + Black Front Bumper + Clear Turnsignals SOME DUMBASS HIT ME AND TOTALED IT :(

01-24-2006, 11:07 AM	#3 (permalink)
snap-on Registered User Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: STL MO Posts: 2,382	^^^^^ what he said __________________ 94 EX cab, 5speed, V6, locked, ARB bar, NWOR headers 92 4runner, auto, V6, OME suspension, Downey headers

01-24-2006, 11:59 AM	#4 (permalink)
johnperrone11 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Traverse City, Michigan Posts: 37	Sweeet, thanks guys. __________________ John Perrone[color=Red] "Walk hard & don't get none on ya."

01-24-2006, 04:07 PM	#5 (permalink)
Flamedx4 Registered User Join Date: May 2004 Location: 100 miles offshore as much as possible, & Springfield Oregon USA Posts: 3,285	Don't forget to do the spindle gear reversal and install new circlip retainer bearings. __________________ All my Yotas are gone. Stuff to sell: http://www.yotatech.com/showthread.p...39#post1009839 -Phil

01-24-2006, 06:13 PM	#6 (permalink)
leebee Contributing Member Join Date: May 2004 Location: marlbank, canada Posts: 2,428	thanks phil, that explains why mine has been running in reverse! lee __________________ 93 sr5 v6 auto, 4x4 Photos http://s866.photobucket.com/albums/a...albumview=grid there are quite some attractive ladies on here with Toys. (compliments of ironmike) ifsc 3(.0) http://tlca.org www.of4wd.com www.sontt.com

01-25-2006, 09:48 AM	#7 (permalink)
johnperrone11 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Traverse City, Michigan Posts: 37	AHH yes, spindle gear reversal.... How do I do that? Forgive me, I'm still a fairly new yota owner, and this is the first vehicle I've ever owned w/ IFS. __________________ John Perrone[color=Red] "Walk hard & don't get none on ya."

01-25-2006, 02:28 PM	#8 (permalink)
Flamedx4 Registered User Join Date: May 2004 Location: 100 miles offshore as much as possible, & Springfield Oregon USA Posts: 3,285	Heehee. Just pullin yer leg. Everybody knows you only gotta do the spindle gear reversal when you use a Dana 44 reverse rotation axle for your SAS.... __________________ All my Yotas are gone. Stuff to sell: http://www.yotatech.com/showthread.p...39#post1009839 -Phil

01-25-2006, 03:35 PM	#9 (permalink)
RustBucket Registered User Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Cumming, GA Posts: 975	It's a piece of cake. Just an echo - no you don't need the spindle nut conversion kit.

01-25-2006, 04:00 PM	#10 (permalink)
leebee Contributing Member Join Date: May 2004 Location: marlbank, canada Posts: 2,428	hey phil!! looks like we had a live one there! lee __________________ 93 sr5 v6 auto, 4x4 Photos http://s866.photobucket.com/albums/a...albumview=grid there are quite some attractive ladies on here with Toys. (compliments of ironmike) ifsc 3(.0) http://tlca.org www.of4wd.com www.sontt.com

01-26-2006, 10:31 AM	#11 (permalink)
johnperrone11 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Traverse City, Michigan Posts: 37	Okay, Okay... Lets not pick on the new guy too much. So no conversions, just slap 'em on and go. Sounds good. __________________ John Perrone[color=Red] "Walk hard & don't get none on ya."

01-26-2006, 10:55 AM	#12 (permalink)
Flamedx4 Registered User Join Date: May 2004 Location: 100 miles offshore as much as possible, & Springfield Oregon USA Posts: 3,285	Yep, the only time you have to do the spindle nut conversion is if you are going from auto hubs to manual. ADD to manual is a snap. Takes longer to R&R the tires than to do the hubs. __________________ All my Yotas are gone. Stuff to sell: http://www.yotatech.com/showthread.p...39#post1009839 -Phil

01-27-2006, 04:11 PM	#13 (permalink)
AUYota Registered User Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Atlanta, GA. Posts: 190	IS it a GOOD IDEA to replace the ADD to man. hubs? pros and cons??

01-27-2006, 09:28 PM	#15 (permalink)
91_4x4runner Contributing Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 1,078	Soon as I get the money, I think I'm going to do the ADD defeat and then convert to manual hubs. Money is the root of all evil __________________ ~Eric 1991 4Runner 3.0L 4x4 Black, 31" Michelin M/S tires, OME-901's 1992 Lexus SC400 4.0 V8, Green with Tan interior (donor) (PM me for parts) Near Future: FI 1UZ swap. (June) Far Future mods: F/R Lockers, SAS, 35's. UZswap.com - A discussion forum dedicated specifically to swapping UZ engines into Toyota trucks and 4Runners

01-28-2006, 02:12 AM	#16 (permalink)
leebee Contributing Member Join Date: May 2004 Location: marlbank, canada Posts: 2,428	no need to defeat the existing system, just bolt the aisin's on and youre good to go. lee __________________ 93 sr5 v6 auto, 4x4 Photos http://s866.photobucket.com/albums/a...albumview=grid there are quite some attractive ladies on here with Toys. (compliments of ironmike) ifsc 3(.0) http://tlca.org www.of4wd.com www.sontt.com

01-28-2006, 06:30 AM	#17 (permalink)
91_4x4runner Contributing Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 1,078	The issue is that my ADD is starting to fail I believe. It only enguages in 4WD 1/2 the time and I believe its related to the ADD system. http://www.4x4wire.com/toyota/tech/add/ __________________ ~Eric 1991 4Runner 3.0L 4x4 Black, 31" Michelin M/S tires, OME-901's 1992 Lexus SC400 4.0 V8, Green with Tan interior (donor) (PM me for parts) Near Future: FI 1UZ swap. (June) Far Future mods: F/R Lockers, SAS, 35's. UZswap.com - A discussion forum dedicated specifically to swapping UZ engines into Toyota trucks and 4Runners

01-28-2006, 09:05 AM	#19 (permalink)
Dr.Feelgood Registered User Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: N4327.220', W7630.330' Posts: 316	Here's a question: if after doing the swap to manual hubs (which I'm starting about10 minutes), if you leave the hubs free and pull your lever into 4-Lo, does that essentially give you 2-Lo? __________________ '90 4Runner SR5 22RE 5spd 4x4, Pacesetter header & downpipe, Magnaflow 18" oval, 2.25" pipes, Rock Crawler 51 15x8 Steel Wheels, Pro Comp 33x12.5 ATs, Aisin Hub Swap, 2" BL, Energy Suspension Mounts/Bushings, K&N Filter, Accel Coil, NGK Iridium Plugs & Blue Wires, Toyota Brush Guard, Allpro Offroad Rear Bumper w/ 2" receiver, SB SureSteps, Whiteface Glow Gauges, Husky Liners, New Front Fenders, Radiator

01-28-2006, 08:42 AM	#18 (permalink)
johnperrone11 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Traverse City, Michigan Posts: 37	91, I think the Aisin's would remedy your problem. I'm doing it simply because I hate changing CV axles. If the manual hub will save me from doing another CV just once, they've paid for themselves x's 10. Keep and eye on e-bay. Sometimes there's some good deals. But don't pay more than $40 for them on ebay, because the yotayard sells them for that, plus $10-$15 shipping. __________________ John Perrone[color=Red] "Walk hard & don't get none on ya."

01-28-2006, 05:00 PM	#20 (permalink)
91_4x4runner Contributing Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 1,078	If you leave the front hubs unlocked, yeah i imagine. __________________ ~Eric 1991 4Runner 3.0L 4x4 Black, 31" Michelin M/S tires, OME-901's 1992 Lexus SC400 4.0 V8, Green with Tan interior (donor) (PM me for parts) Near Future: FI 1UZ swap. (June) Far Future mods: F/R Lockers, SAS, 35's. UZswap.com - A discussion forum dedicated specifically to swapping UZ engines into Toyota trucks and 4Runners

01-28-2006, 05:25 PM	#21 (permalink)
johnperrone11 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Traverse City, Michigan Posts: 37	__________________ John Perrone[color=Red] "Walk hard & don't get none on ya."

01-29-2006, 11:20 AM	#23 (permalink)
johnperrone11 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Traverse City, Michigan Posts: 37	Look good. __________________ John Perrone[color=Red] "Walk hard & don't get none on ya."

01-29-2006, 05:45 PM	#25 (permalink)
Dr.Feelgood Registered User Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: N4327.220', W7630.330' Posts: 316	Lee, should I have done the spindle gear reversal before I put it back together? I'm getting an awful grinding noise now. __________________ '90 4Runner SR5 22RE 5spd 4x4, Pacesetter header & downpipe, Magnaflow 18" oval, 2.25" pipes, Rock Crawler 51 15x8 Steel Wheels, Pro Comp 33x12.5 ATs, Aisin Hub Swap, 2" BL, Energy Suspension Mounts/Bushings, K&N Filter, Accel Coil, NGK Iridium Plugs & Blue Wires, Toyota Brush Guard, Allpro Offroad Rear Bumper w/ 2" receiver, SB SureSteps, Whiteface Glow Gauges, Husky Liners, New Front Fenders, Radiator

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