33's Rubbing on Sway Bar
03-25-2009, 09:43 PM
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03-26-2009, 11:29 AM
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it's wierd really, once you take the sway bar off...
at first, you don't really notice a difference...
then as time goes by, you find it a little more scary to take turns the same way you use to, so you tend to slow waaaay down...
if you drive without it for about a month or two, then bolt it back on, it's like driving a completely different vehicle...
I reinstalled mine, and I see no reason for me to take it off again...
I'll give up the marginal increase in flex for a safe ride
BTW, I'm in a PU; a lot less top heavy than a Runner, and I noticed a good bit of body roll... just FYI
I think that some wheel spacers would be a good idea though. How far do your tires stick out in refference to the body right now? If at all?
If you're only getting rub right at full lock, you wouldn't need much of a spacer; maybe 1/2"
at first, you don't really notice a difference...
then as time goes by, you find it a little more scary to take turns the same way you use to, so you tend to slow waaaay down...
if you drive without it for about a month or two, then bolt it back on, it's like driving a completely different vehicle...
I reinstalled mine, and I see no reason for me to take it off again...
I'll give up the marginal increase in flex for a safe ride
BTW, I'm in a PU; a lot less top heavy than a Runner, and I noticed a good bit of body roll... just FYI
I think that some wheel spacers would be a good idea though. How far do your tires stick out in refference to the body right now? If at all?
If you're only getting rub right at full lock, you wouldn't need much of a spacer; maybe 1/2"
I took it off last night and was able to drive my daily route which is about 30min. of driving everyday too. I get up the 70mph tops usually.
I didn't notice a difference really when I was driving 70 down the highway, I noticed it more when I would hit a bump or pot hole in the road. It isn't that bad without the front sway bar so far I think, but it's only been a day.
I might get the spacers if I really start to notice that it isn't safe to drive, and time will tell. As for my tires, they look like they are pretty much even in the wheel well. They could definitely be spaced out 1 inch. I was thinking about getting a one incher spacer. And yeah it only rubs really at full lock turning either way.
03-26-2009, 11:35 AM
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The Jeep must have had other serious problems or badly blown shocks because a vehicle won't just start swaying on it's own just because it has no sway bars. My 4Runner drives down the highway just fine without them and so did my 99 Grand Cherokee.
If I had to swerve quickly at a high speed I might be more likely to roll over, but putting a lift, bigger tires, a roof rack, etc...etc will also make you more likely to roll during the same circumstances.
If I had to swerve quickly at a high speed I might be more likely to roll over, but putting a lift, bigger tires, a roof rack, etc...etc will also make you more likely to roll during the same circumstances.
When we were driving up highway 80 to the sierras to go snowboarding in the rain we would sway side by side probably every 10 - 15min. There was wind too that was causing the swaying. And other than that if he would hit a little bump or where the highway was repaved and there is a lip on the road it would cause his jeep to sway back and forth. We were going about 65 - 70mph. But other than that on the road in stop and go traffic you won't notice it at all really. And FYI he had a brand new lift and shocks on his jeep when the sway bar was taken out.
03-26-2009, 11:42 AM
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lol a safe ride. I see guys with a 3" body lift, 3" bracket drop, 1.5" BJ lift, cranked torsions, 37" tires....and stock brakes and steering. No sway bar is going to save you from that accident lol.
If you lifted your truck you have decreased the safety of your ride. If you have increased the tire size you have decreased the safety of your ride.
My 4Runner is mostly for off-road. It's not my daily transportation and it's not what I drive to work so sway bars really don't matter to me.
If you lifted your truck you have decreased the safety of your ride. If you have increased the tire size you have decreased the safety of your ride.
My 4Runner is mostly for off-road. It's not my daily transportation and it's not what I drive to work so sway bars really don't matter to me.
That statement isn't always true. Just because a Honda has smaller tires and is lower to the ground doesn't increase safety in an accident. Those things will get crushed.. and if you think about it, if you're rear ended in a lifted truck with big tires they're gunna be hitting tires or tires/rear bumper which does nothing to your ride and in a Honda you can get crushed.
So that isn't always true. I much rather be in a lifted 4Runner with 37's and get into an accident than in a tiny civic.
03-26-2009, 01:18 PM
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I understand your reasoning, but if the increased tire size will cause the ride to decrease in safety and a lift will decrease safety... wouldn't it make sense that a Honda or Toyota Camry would be safer because it's closer to the ground and has smaller tires?
That statement isn't always true. Just because a Honda has smaller tires and is lower to the ground doesn't increase safety in an accident. Those things will get crushed.. and if you think about it, if you're rear ended in a lifted truck with big tires they're gunna be hitting tires or tires/rear bumper which does nothing to your ride and in a Honda you can get crushed.
So that isn't always true. I much rather be in a lifted 4Runner with 37's and get into an accident than in a tiny civic.
That statement isn't always true. Just because a Honda has smaller tires and is lower to the ground doesn't increase safety in an accident. Those things will get crushed.. and if you think about it, if you're rear ended in a lifted truck with big tires they're gunna be hitting tires or tires/rear bumper which does nothing to your ride and in a Honda you can get crushed.
So that isn't always true. I much rather be in a lifted 4Runner with 37's and get into an accident than in a tiny civic.
larger tires are harder to stop, putting more stress on the brakes, increasing you stopping distance, hence the decrease in safety
a higher stance obviously raises your center of gravity, increasing your chance of possible roll-over, so there's another decrease in safety
not to mention that when a vehicle is lifted, it put more stress on the steering components amoung other things, which if fail will leaving you barelling off the highway... obviously, a decrease in safety there too...
03-26-2009, 02:33 PM
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it's not really the fact the larger tires and a higher stance makes the vehicle unsafe
larger tires are harder to stop, putting more stress on the brakes, increasing you stopping distance, hence the decrease in safety
a higher stance obviously raises your center of gravity, increasing your chance of possible roll-over, so there's another decrease in safety
not to mention that when a vehicle is lifted, it put more stress on the steering components amoung other things, which if fail will leaving you barelling off the highway... obviously, a decrease in safety there too...
larger tires are harder to stop, putting more stress on the brakes, increasing you stopping distance, hence the decrease in safety
a higher stance obviously raises your center of gravity, increasing your chance of possible roll-over, so there's another decrease in safety
not to mention that when a vehicle is lifted, it put more stress on the steering components amoung other things, which if fail will leaving you barelling off the highway... obviously, a decrease in safety there too...
Most Honda Civics don't come from the factory with sway bars so how about them apples?
03-26-2009, 02:36 PM
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I understand your reasoning, but if the increased tire size will cause the ride to decrease in safety and a lift will decrease safety... wouldn't it make sense that a Honda or Toyota Camry would be safer because it's closer to the ground and has smaller tires?
That statement isn't always true. Just because a Honda has smaller tires and is lower to the ground doesn't increase safety in an accident. Those things will get crushed.. and if you think about it, if you're rear ended in a lifted truck with big tires they're gunna be hitting tires or tires/rear bumper which does nothing to your ride and in a Honda you can get crushed.
So that isn't always true. I much rather be in a lifted 4Runner with 37's and get into an accident than in a tiny civic.
That statement isn't always true. Just because a Honda has smaller tires and is lower to the ground doesn't increase safety in an accident. Those things will get crushed.. and if you think about it, if you're rear ended in a lifted truck with big tires they're gunna be hitting tires or tires/rear bumper which does nothing to your ride and in a Honda you can get crushed.
So that isn't always true. I much rather be in a lifted 4Runner with 37's and get into an accident than in a tiny civic.
I'm not saying "X" car is safer than "Y" car, but if you put a lift and large tires on "X" or "Y" car you will decrease that vehicles safety in one way or another.
03-26-2009, 04:16 PM
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Put bigger tires and a lift on a Honda Civic or Toyota Camry and yes, it you will have DECREASED the safety of that vehicle.
I'm not saying "X" car is safer than "Y" car, but if you put a lift and large tires on "X" or "Y" car you will decrease that vehicles safety in one way or another.
I'm not saying "X" car is safer than "Y" car, but if you put a lift and large tires on "X" or "Y" car you will decrease that vehicles safety in one way or another.
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it's wierd really, once you take the sway bar off...
at first, you don't really notice a difference...
then as time goes by, you find it a little more scary to take turns the same way you use to, so you tend to slow waaaay down...
if you drive without it for about a month or two, then bolt it back on, it's like driving a completely different vehicle...
I reinstalled mine, and I see no reason for me to take it off again...
I'll give up the marginal increase in flex for a safe ride
BTW, I'm in a PU; a lot less top heavy than a Runner, and I noticed a good bit of body roll... just FYI
I think that some wheel spacers would be a good idea though. How far do your tires stick out in refference to the body right now? If at all?
If you're only getting rub right at full lock, you wouldn't need much of a spacer; maybe 1/2"
at first, you don't really notice a difference...
then as time goes by, you find it a little more scary to take turns the same way you use to, so you tend to slow waaaay down...
if you drive without it for about a month or two, then bolt it back on, it's like driving a completely different vehicle...
I reinstalled mine, and I see no reason for me to take it off again...
I'll give up the marginal increase in flex for a safe ride
BTW, I'm in a PU; a lot less top heavy than a Runner, and I noticed a good bit of body roll... just FYI
I think that some wheel spacers would be a good idea though. How far do your tires stick out in refference to the body right now? If at all?
If you're only getting rub right at full lock, you wouldn't need much of a spacer; maybe 1/2"
yeah i wouldnt remove the sway bar on a ifs yota either. it leans quite a bit with a front sway bar in place. i bet you will get like half an inch more flex. removing a sway bar in a solid axle vehicle makes a huge difference in flex. i did that to my ram and got tons of flex in the front. i drove normally and didnt feel a diff except on the hwy that it swayed a tiny bit more, less than the yota with a sway bar. it got scary when i drifted around sharp corners. probably get nice flex in the rear of a runner with no rear sway bar
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03-26-2009, 08:38 PM
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) from each other on either side, therefor a little more stabilitybut still, it leans too much for my liking
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