Pre 84 Trucks 1st gen pickups

what do u think about shackles?

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old Sep 7, 2010 | 11:56 AM
  #1  
80toyota's Avatar
Thread Starter
Registered User
 
Joined: Aug 2010
Posts: 31
Likes: 0
From: yelm wa
what do u think about shackles?

i need/want to lift my truck due to the 33/12.5/15 inc tires rub when i turn to the right. i was woundring what you think about shackels.
Reply
Old Sep 7, 2010 | 12:01 PM
  #2  
saitotiktmdog's Avatar
Contributing Member
 
Joined: Nov 2007
Posts: 776
Likes: 0
From: Indiana
Just dont go too big. Add a leaf would probably be better. Reason is you have to put a huge shackle on to get very little lift and then they hit ledges and make your suspension less stable. Shackle size is mainly to make sure your springs can cycle correctly. Too short a shacke wont let the rear spring eye travel back far enough to let the spring compress all the way and too long is just well unnecessary and more flimsy.
Reply
Old Sep 7, 2010 | 12:02 PM
  #3  
yada21's Avatar
Registered User
 
Joined: Dec 2009
Posts: 23
Likes: 0
From: spokane wa
they are a great way to lift extra and you get more give out of the leaf with them. i have tereflex shackels in the rear and love em
Reply
Old Sep 7, 2010 | 12:02 PM
  #4  
Al's Chop Shop's Avatar
Registered User
 
Joined: May 2008
Posts: 775
Likes: 0
From: Portland, OR
its just going to make your pinion angle suck. shackles are best used in conjunction with different springs and an aftermarket front spring hanger.

sure, it might work. but i'd take a BFH to your inner fender pinch weld first. thats what i did, anyway.

Al
Reply
Old Sep 7, 2010 | 12:03 PM
  #5  
Al's Chop Shop's Avatar
Registered User
 
Joined: May 2008
Posts: 775
Likes: 0
From: Portland, OR
Originally Posted by yada21
they are a great way to lift extra and you get more give out of the leaf with them. i have tereflex shackels in the rear and love em
please re-read the original post, he's not talking about rear shackles, he's talking about the front because of his turning issues.

Al
Reply
Old Sep 7, 2010 | 12:55 PM
  #6  
Teuf's Avatar
Registered User
 
Joined: Apr 2009
Posts: 5,592
Likes: 24
From: Dixon, Ca
Then he will need to lift the rear a bit, Yes?
Reply
Old Sep 7, 2010 | 03:23 PM
  #7  
Al's Chop Shop's Avatar
Registered User
 
Joined: May 2008
Posts: 775
Likes: 0
From: Portland, OR
Originally Posted by Teuf
Then he will need to lift the rear a bit, Yes?
possibly, but it still wasn't the question at hand. the rear and front are two different animals when talking about shackles. and 90% of the time its IFS guys answering posts about front solid axles, assuming that because they did it to the rear of their truck and are fine, others can do it to the front just as easy. like i said, the front is a whole different ball game.... the geometry of the front axle and suspension yield is much smaller than the rear, so you can't just throw out generic advice.

"i put an 8" shackle on mine and it was fine" answered to a front axle question can have disastrous results to someone that took their advice because they didn't know better. horrible pinion angle, caster way beyond manageable as the wheel returns to center with extra force, drive shaft that binds or even falls apart from not enough extension.... not to mention the disaster as you make your first freeway speed turn, the whole axle shifts to the side with all that extra leverage placed on the shackle bushings, and could very well cause a loss of control.

i don't mean to sound snappy, i just hate it when people give advice that doesn't apply because they didn't really look at the question, or they just want to look like the "know-it-all", padding their post count.

Al

Last edited by Al's Chop Shop; Sep 7, 2010 at 03:28 PM.
Reply
Old Sep 7, 2010 | 03:26 PM
  #8  
saitotiktmdog's Avatar
Contributing Member
 
Joined: Nov 2007
Posts: 776
Likes: 0
From: Indiana
Originally Posted by Al's Chop Shop
possibly, but it still wasn't the question at hand. the rear and front are two different animals when talking about shackles. and 90% of the time its IFS guys answering posts about front solid axles, assuming that because they did it to the rear of their truck and are fine, others can do it to the front just as easy. like i said, the front is a whole different ball game.... the geometry of the front axle and suspension yield is much smaller than the rear, so you can't just throw out generic advice.

Al


Reply
Old Sep 7, 2010 | 04:32 PM
  #9  
yoder519's Avatar
Registered User
 
Joined: Feb 2008
Posts: 1,816
Likes: 2
From: virginia
but i put 12in shackles on my 95 IFS pu with great results?? haha jk chop shop i had to. good point you got there.

to the OP- check out topguncustomz.com. you could get a AAL about 50 bucks. or you could go ahead and get a rough coutry 3in susp lift fro a little coin. another option is a body lift. you wont die or explode and self destruct mode will not kick in if you install a BL. yes.. i said body lift, let the debate begin....
Reply
Old Sep 7, 2010 | 05:10 PM
  #10  
yada21's Avatar
Registered User
 
Joined: Dec 2009
Posts: 23
Likes: 0
From: spokane wa
screw ifs. its flat out gay. just go with what i got. 7" leafs and 4 inch shackels. i clear 37's and out wheel alot of people. also the 3rd members are welded and never had a problem and i will prove that to anyone.
Reply
Old Sep 7, 2010 | 05:14 PM
  #11  
TOYOTA 1's Avatar
Registered User
 
Joined: Feb 2008
Posts: 2,799
Likes: 3
From: oregon
^x2, though you dont need that much lift to clear 37's..

and even though welded front works, its still gay.. if you wheel hard enough you will eat birfs for breakfast!

nice to see someone with some spirit though got any pics?
Reply
Old Sep 7, 2010 | 05:28 PM
  #12  
yada21's Avatar
Registered User
 
Joined: Dec 2009
Posts: 23
Likes: 0
From: spokane wa
lol. i only broke birfs. that is true. everywhere i went i got comments and no one could keep up. 37', 5.29's, welded up, 22r with a 22re intake and volkswagon injection. ran awesome.
Reply
Old Sep 7, 2010 | 05:53 PM
  #13  
dropzone's Avatar
Fossilized
iTrader: (6)
 
Joined: Oct 2005
Posts: 19,771
Likes: 456
From: PNW
Originally Posted by 80toyota
i need/want to lift my truck due to the 33/12.5/15 inc tires rub when i turn to the right. i was woundring what you think about shackels.
did you every check your steering stops like you were advised to do?

just curious
Reply
Old Sep 7, 2010 | 06:03 PM
  #14  
Tofer's Avatar
Sponsor
 
Joined: Jul 2004
Posts: 9,173
Likes: 6
From: Puyallup WA.
shackles are over rated... i use bailing wire.. it allows for crazy flex.
Reply
Old Sep 7, 2010 | 06:15 PM
  #15  
TOYOTA 1's Avatar
Registered User
 
Joined: Feb 2008
Posts: 2,799
Likes: 3
From: oregon
^hahaha
Reply
Old Sep 8, 2010 | 11:09 AM
  #16  
Al's Chop Shop's Avatar
Registered User
 
Joined: May 2008
Posts: 775
Likes: 0
From: Portland, OR
my apologies to the original poster, this garbage doesn't normally take place in threads in our pre-84 section.

yada21, please keep your pads to the off-topic section, you are cluttering up threads with completely irrelevant information to the original topic.

thanks for cleaning up the thread, robb.

Al
Reply
Old Nov 4, 2010 | 04:18 PM
  #17  
Ajm1991's Avatar
Registered User
 
Joined: Sep 2009
Posts: 112
Likes: 0
From: Tucson,AZ
Just to help clarify is it alright to run an add-a-leaf on the front??

Last edited by Ajm1991; Nov 4, 2010 at 04:29 PM.
Reply
Related Topics
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
Big Little Bear
Pre 84 Trucks (Build-Up Section)
230
Nov 13, 2023 11:42 AM
Redeth005
The Fab Shop
171
Jun 28, 2018 08:16 PM
Scottcrb
86-95 Trucks & 4Runners
6
Mar 3, 2016 11:57 AM
oldblue
86-95 Trucks & 4Runners
0
Sep 28, 2015 04:07 PM
sonorn67
84-85 Trucks & 4Runners
3
Sep 19, 2015 05:39 PM




All times are GMT -8. The time now is 02:20 PM.