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Old Aug 12, 2009 | 12:55 PM
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Angry How do I get a seized bearing race off the spindle?

So the inner bearing (inside race) is stuck to the spindle. (This is Troy's runner - IFS) After prying and pulling for an hour and half I finally just went ahead and broke the outer cage and let the bearing come out. But the inner race is still totally stuck to the spindle.

I am worried I am going to do damage to the spindle if I keep trying to pry it off. I have already taken the dust shield off and have used the back of the seal (between the stuck race and the knuckle) to try and pry off off.

Should I spray some kind of lubricant like WD40 or PB Blaster around it? (Though I doubt it will get in there since I have only moved that race 1/4" in 1.5 hours of prying). I'd like to avoid getting the grinder in there. I don't want to hurt the spindle at all.

Dammit Mike... why'd you have to point out my failure? (A quote from my search on "bearing, seize, spindle" )

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Try not to destroy it too much, it's important that all the seals fit properly or you will get water and mud in there, your wheel bearings will die and seize to your spindle, and you will be really pissed off.

Later,
....Mike
I'm already pissed. An yes I know water got in there. The grease from the outside bearing was rusty and had "water froth" that yellowish tint the grease gets when water got in. We think it is because the warn hub was cracked.
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Old Aug 12, 2009 | 01:15 PM
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heat the race up with a torch maybe?
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Old Aug 12, 2009 | 01:24 PM
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Molly, let me do some digging when i get home. I may have my old ifs spindles, and if i do you can have them for shipping if you would like.

I cannot guarantee if i have them and im leaning towards having gotten rid of them, but if i still have them, i can ship them to you soon!

If so send me a PM and ill check when i get home.
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Old Aug 12, 2009 | 01:38 PM
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Well here is what we'll try tonight:

Originally Posted by fast7mtoys
you may have to bust out some heat on the race, if that dosent work its time to brush up on you percision grinding skills(or a dremel) and cut the race in 2 places (like in 1/2).......its a pain but about the only way i have found to do it..............
Originally Posted by AxleIke
The key is to NOT cut all the way through, and cut on a DIAGONAL.

Make a diagonal cut across the race, nearly through, but not all the way. Try to get it even across.

Then, take a chisel and break the race. This should allow you to get it off.
Hopefully we won't do any damage to the spindle, but if so I will let you know Mike! Thanks all.
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Old Aug 12, 2009 | 02:27 PM
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I would heat that sob up with a torch and spray some good penetrent in there. PB blaster or liquid wrench. WD40 is useless for a penetrent..
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Old Aug 12, 2009 | 03:14 PM
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Been spraying PB blaster in it all afternoon to ready it for a torch try. But honestly troy and I think we are gonna have to dremel/grinder it. Troy just went to swap out the warranty (WARN) hubs at 4WP
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Old Aug 12, 2009 | 03:29 PM
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Get a new spindle...and some AISINS.

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Old Aug 12, 2009 | 03:49 PM
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I already have aisins on my Tippy. (But SA version). Since the WARNs are warranted no need to change now. But AISINs are the bomb! But I have a spare set of aisins somewhere for IFS that we think aren't the right spline count for troy's Ron. Anyone want to trade a 30 spline to I think RON has 27? Hmmm I should go out and count now!

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Old Aug 12, 2009 | 03:50 PM
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IFS 26 spline
SFA 30 spline

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Old Aug 12, 2009 | 04:20 PM
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I have had luck welding a bead around the stuck race (don't weld it to the spindle) Just run a bead where the bearings ride.
The heat is local to the race and usually makes them slide off the spindle pretty easy if done while its still hot. I do this quite often on bearings in truck transmissions. As a last resort you can use a cut-off wheel, just don't scar the spindle.

This works even better getting a stuck race out of a hub.

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Old Aug 12, 2009 | 04:22 PM
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Heat and a press. And watch out they like to "give" violently.
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Old Aug 12, 2009 | 04:26 PM
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X2 with Axleike. Its simple and works every time. And it comes off in one piece. You don't have to split it in two. Once its cracked it slides right off.
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Old Aug 12, 2009 | 04:30 PM
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x2 on the welding the race. that should work i also do this quite frequently at work on heavy equipment. if not go with the cut off wheel and a chisel. you shouldnt need to cut it in two places, just one and once it breaks through it should slide off. it will only take a little bit to get it to release. heck iv even had them come off just with cutting a small grouve in the race.
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Old Aug 12, 2009 | 04:38 PM
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LOL Ok do we weld or cut... LOL We could do either!!!

And Wabbit why did I always think IFS was 27??? It's cuz troy told me. I counted and thought I counted 27 too. But maybe because I already had that in my head!

My god we have 4 front disc brakes I found in our junk pile but the studs are broken off and the spindles are missing from all but 3. LOL. I have collected soo much wheeling junk. Is that normal?

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Old Aug 12, 2009 | 04:45 PM
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http://www.off-road.com/offroad/arti....jsp?id=399668

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Old Aug 12, 2009 | 05:00 PM
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Brian IFS is 27 spline. I have counted and recounted. Did you hit the "6" on accident? (But checking your link now. Taking forever to load)

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Old Aug 12, 2009 | 07:18 PM
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I counted it twice and my buddy Joey counted too.

26 spline.

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Old Aug 12, 2009 | 08:05 PM
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I still stand by 27, but who cares. It AINT 30!
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Old Aug 12, 2009 | 08:39 PM
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Ever heard of a bearing or gear puller?
Princess auto $20 tool is cheaper than destroying a $100 part.
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Old Aug 12, 2009 | 08:47 PM
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Arms aren't long enough to reach down the spindle. Thought about fabbing some though!
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