obv, i am a newb here. but I tried to do a search, and I got a bunch of useful info but not an answer to what my question is.

i am looking at doing the stubbs sliders(along with a bunch of other stuff, haha) anyhow, my question is, what is the benefit of the deluxe model's square main tube? Is this significantly more rigid than the round version? if so, what is the reason? structual integrity is not my strong suit, haha.

also, upon reading, i read someone mention that you should do your lift before sliders. I can't figure this out, the sliders wouldn't interfere with the suspension, as far as I can tell from crawling around down there. Are we just talking height preferences on the sliders?

thanks, for the help!

Josh

 

Combining rect tubing with round tubing on sliders is just something different but does the same thing if all round. Most of it is for style points or personal preference.

You want to put on sliders after you do a body lift if you are going to do one, suspension lift doesn't matter.

We have lots of slider options available too on the website.

 

straight from the horses, errr rabbits, mouth. thanks!!

knowing that opens my options back up.

 

Technically, square is stronger for the same OD and wall thickness, pretty much 'cuz there's more material. It's heavier though (duh - there's more material).

 

Technically, you are incorrect.

In comparing round tube vs. square tube the key points are that:

-Round tube weighs less than square tube.
-Round tube is available in stronger steel. There is no rectangular 1020 DOM tubing, it's all 1010. 1020 DOM is about 30% stronger than 1010.
-In torsion, round tubing is much stronger than square tubing, which kills me when folks make square drive shafts and say they are stronger.
-Under vertical bending loads, square tubing is stronger, but since the round tubing is available in higher grade steel, the advantage square stock had in vertical loads is diminished.

 

i have friends with square sliders (one of them on a bronco, more weight) and they have never had strength issues. i personally prefer the way the squares/rectangles look over rounds, thas what im gonna do on mine.

 

waskillywabbit,

Awesome information thanks I often wondered the same thing.

I am planning on purchasing sliders too, was hoping you could tell me two quick things about the sliders on your page.

It seems on the regular sliders, the legs are welded and on the kickouts they are not. Is this correct?

Second I was wondering, are the legs cut to the proper length or would I need to cut them to match my specific vehicle.

Nice website by the way. The sliders look really nice.

Sorry if they are newbie questions, just trying to learn.

Thanks in advance

 

None of the legs are welded on in the DIY kits, one of the pictures just shows a finished set.
You will have to trim the legs to fit, primarily the front leg as the frame goes in at an angle towards the engine bay.
Thanks.

 

I have some comparison info. on the web page below:
http://www.4crawler.com/4x4/ForSale/...andardUltimate

I find the square to be more useful for things other than sliding over rocks. Main benefits I have found are that square is easier to stand on and easier to HiLift off of.

 

Read my reply again Brian. I was answering the simple question asked by the OP - which is stronger, square or round. I assume he was holding material constant.

SIZE FOR SIZE square is stronger. Since we usually build by size/fit, not by weight it makes a more accurate comparison in my mind. 2"x2"x.120" square is stronger than 2"ODx.120" wall round of the same material. PERIOD.

Oh, and yes, you can get square DOM, but you don't want to pay what it costs.

If we were building sliders to make a certain weight, certainly round DOM would be the way to go. Since price is usually more of a concern than weight, square HREW is great.

Oh, and a degree in Metallurgy and +10 yrs of working in the steel/metals industry certainly leads to a pretty high degree of understanding of this stuff. My work uniform:

 

In the short for the OP, get what sliders you want because for the most part it won't matter, pick which ones you think look the best on your rig and buy those, but at least you now should be able to make an informed choice.

As far as square tubing being stronger than round tubing in a blanket "yes", that is incorrect.

 

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