I was just reading some information over on Pirate, and these two threads really clarified a lot for me, and I thought I'd just share them with everyone over here:

1) http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showt...5&pagenumber=1

2) http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showt...5&pagenumber=1

The two threads have differing opinions on link length and position of the of the lower links, so I'm on a quest to figure out which is the best setup?

Does anyone know of anyone running coils with a 4 link setup on a 3rd gen 4runner?

Chris

 

for me none of those links work, says cannot find server.

 

Pirate was down a little while ago. Its working now.

 

Be very carefull with link info on pirate. Over half is opinion... And even on some setups, if you follow the "math" its not supposed to work in reality, and it does...

 

Yeah, there's definitely a lot of cocky people over there that can really be jerks, which sucks, but they also have quite a bit of good info too.

Chris

 

I realize this isn't about a 4Runner, bu the front ends are so similar that I thought this would be useful.

Here's a pic of someone running a coil SAS on a Taco:



This pic is from Robert Canon's (FrankenTaco) website. No, it's not his truck.

Link to web page of coiled SAS Taco: http://128.83.80.200/taco/coiled.html

Link to FrankenTaco's site: http://128.83.80.200/taco/

Hope this helps.

G

 

It doesn't matter if the site is run by a bunch of homosexual chimps, they still have at least 10 times the hardcore tech of anything else out there. If you want to work on something that requires welding, cutting or not bolting on, they are the source, period.

Lots of people have a 4-link coil sprung rear with panhard, it comes stock.

Since you are hell bent on moving the tank and making your rear 4-linked, keep reading on PBB. If you realize that 3-links and a stock tank with panhard, or better yet leaves would do the same thing and be more direct, then go and rear different stuff on PBB.

FYI, there are no homosexual apes, just a lot of people who have been around and know what is happening. There are also some people who get off on nailing fools which is not an all together bad past time given the right circumstances.

 

What was all this about? Did I miss something?

Chris

 

Hey Chris - I saw they lit you up over there.

 

Their so stupid over there, it's not even funny! I could care less what stupid comments they have to say about anything I've ever posted. It's just extremely funny to me how they rant and rave about something stupid, and if your lucky you might find some useful information. Oh well, that's why I reside on Yotatech!

Chris

 

I meant to debunk your seeming rant on their shortcomings.

Now you have posted again and are pissing about another board not while on that board is really worthless. I am trying to encourage you to read over there since you keep asking questions that 99.5% of the regular readers here have no idea about let alone how to answer correctly.

At the risk of greatly inflaming people here and making myself look like a fool...

Asking what you are asking here is like walking into a grade school to find out about Calculus. You would be better served going to college (PBB) and looking at the texts (search feature). The guys at college are not all friendly and will not make you feel as warm as the kids at the grade school, but they will teach you about Calculus.

Search to get a feel. That way you learn what you need and how to ask questions the search did not answer.

 

You're right, and I've done a lot of reading over on PBB already, but sometimes I want to ask a direct question, and they suck for that. I've read and read the links that pop up on 4-links, and there is a lot of information on it over there. They are very well versed in the more technical stuff, that's for sure. But, on the same token, it would be great to be able to ask a very specific question and actually have it answered directly, rather than generally.

Chris

 

WHAT do you mean, we are nice to noobs over there,lol...

IMO, if you don't understand the workings of a 3 or 4 link, you probably aint ready for it..

 

one of the best, beginner level suspension threads i have read over there in a long time was in teh general forum yesterday, it was by a guy that is SASing his KIA, i think it is the same guy that used to be eral big over at 4x4wire in the KIA section, he got lots of offers for help and advice! It is all in how you approach it, if you demonstrate knowledge in your post and then ask for clarification on specific things, you generally get help over there.....generally, then sometimes one of the post whore monkeys get a hold of it and post stupid non applicable babble all over

 

Crash is right on.

The other thing that came to me in lecture today is "Post Pics of your 4-link flex" is just asking for a stomping on PBB. Do you see regular threads about that? Are you gaining any knowledge about making one by seeing the pics? I really don't think so.

Perhaps a better alternative would be "I want to make a 4-link rear on my 4-runner. The stock lower link mounts and separated by X distance, I would like to reuse those for simplicity if possible. If I wanted Y ride height, how high should my bridge be on the axle, how far apart should my upper links be on the cradle, and what sort of separation should I have at the axle." That would likely not get you killed, but likely would also be easily answerable by reading and calculating.

To reiterate, if you are asking about those things here, you are likely not to the point of doing them.

 

People are not born knowing about 3 and 4 link suspensions. There are lots of ways to learn about them, one being reading current threads on boards. I've done a lot of reading on PBB as I've mentioned, and there's a lot of differing opinions on how one should be done for maximum flex and ridability for the road, and to be honest I'm sick of reading through all the bull ˟˟˟˟˟ of people complaining about people like me that want the straight answers to how it's done. I don't have the time nor patience to sift through all the BS that people talk about to find a thread here and there that may answer one of my 5 questions. Then, once I find that, somebody else says something totally the opposite.

Ok, enough of my ranting about it. I'm not into arguing about it, and I've learned a lot of the suspensions, but to be honest I'd love to learn more. I'd love to be able to spring ideas off someone like Gadget or Schaeffer, but there apparently isn't anyone over there like that. It's unfortunate that's the case, but not everyone on PBB is an expert and their all entitled to their opinions and comments about what they've done in the past. I guess I'm just looking for the simple formula to make it simple for all other people that don't want to put up with all the BS over there.

Chris

 

Thanks man! I'll check it out!

Chris

 

I totally disagree with not learning anything about it! I've seen a lot of high tech suspensions that, in theory should flex a lot, but they suck out on the trail. I've seen some close to stock suspensions on vehicles out flex them. The goal in seeing pictures on the rear suspensions flexing is to get a good idea of what general designs are working the best to not bind, have rear steer, double triangulated, etc. Your comment on what type of question is a good one, and I may try that over there.

Chris

 

But that's the thing, there are no simple formulas for what you want to do. If there were, the college of engineering could have just given me a sheet of equations and a diploma. They don't do that, we've asked haha.

You need the background to make it work right and that doesn't come from reading things on the internet. It's a trial and error process that's usually left to trailer queens. The exception is SASing to a leaf spring because it's been done so much that everybody knows how to do it. Unfortunately there are no simple formulas for linked suspension, especially on a 3rd gen 4runner.

I think what Adrian and Crash are saying is that you shouldn't rush into a linked suspension when you haven't even done a leafed SAS (or something on that scale). Hell, I'm a mechanical engineer, I can understand all the equations etc, and I can fabricate decently, but even I'd be leery of doing a linked suspension right off the bat.

 

All right, the pics show what "works" and what does not, but seeing the pics has nothing to do with what is on or could be on your rig. It would be different if you saw what different link angles and separation distances changed in travel through pics, but you asked only for pics. Pics only show a single instance.

My advice, which is not being asked for, buy a front locker and wheel what you have. Is your current rig holding you back at all? Lots of people get wood for the best this and the best that and stop having a rig that will actually go down the trail. If you are just going to drop the dime to get it done, then fine, do it. If you want to do it yourself, it sounds like, as Steve mentioned, that you have bigger fish to fry. For instance, do you own a welder? Do you know the difference between a weave and a whip? Does anti-squat mean anything to you?