Yuppers.

 

5 Speed too I see. One of my other friends just got the same truck, except silver.

Nice, we'll have to wheel sometime...

 

and i gots all the bigger sizes if needed.

 

Hey is that the backtrail area near the wall at Reiters?

 

One week to go before the deadline! I ordered a sample calender and it looks good.

 

Hell i dont know, the entrance/exit to it is right at the main pit, and comes out up by the powerlines and the road that leads to the trail for lake isabel.

 

I am not sure I took all of these, so I guess I am bending the rules to include pics of my truck, not necessarily if I shot them or if they were shot with my camera.





I think I have his res stuff, but that is only necessary if they win.

 

Here's one more...

 

 

This was shot by the original SteveO, but it is my truck. Because of this disclaimer it is legal?

 

That pic looks familiar...
Page down a bit here


Not to bust your chops too bad Cody, but it's considered good netiquette to ask the photog if you can borrow pics for posting on another site, and then to give credit to the photog in general.

You need to thank (and ask!) Shannon (FunRunner) for that pic.


I have her original Hi(gher)Rez images as well if you want something clearer - and if she says it's okay to hand 'em out for publishing.

 

wow. I seriously didnt know of that rule. I thought as long as it is your rig in the pic it is your pic to do with as you please. Especially being many wheeling trips do not have the photographers asking the owners for permission to photograph their rig in the first place. Now please dont think im busting balls or being a dick. i am just digging into this being i have done this in the past aswell. I see it from the "being polite" side of the fence but want to know more about the actual rules.

 

Hi Ben;

I didn't mean to imply that it's a rule of the calendar contest, that's why I just referred to it as "good netiquette", i.e., etiquette for the Internet. I apologize for any confusion, though there may be a rule about ownership - I've seen other posts here making reference to "___ took this pic, but it's my truck, is that okay?".

And no, I don't think any ill of you; I have a stick in a dark place about this and your looking for more info. No probs.


This is a pet peeve of mine.. I've found a LOT of pics that I've taken all over the 'net (has nothing to do with trucks) and maybe 1-2% of the people using them asked my permission to use them. That's kindofa pain, 'cause some of the pics had been used predominately in magazines and I've had to work out the issues of ownership with the publisher. In certain times, there's money attached to that kind of stuff and that tends to irk me.

When someone takes a pic, it's their intellectual property. Just because the picture has been published somewhere (electronically or in print) those rights of ownership don't change, unless the rights have been sold or otherwise given up based on the rules of submission.

Obviously in something like this, there's no money involved in terms of publishing, so again this is all about being polite and asking the photographer if it's okay to use the pic.

99 times out of 100, I have no issues with people using pictures I take, but I like to know where they're going and what they'll be used for. If the picture _did_ happen to end up in a mag where, say, there was money being paid to the submitter, then I think that the owner of the pic should be privy to at least some (if not all) of that cash. In those cases where people have asked to submit pics I've taken, we've worked out a fair deal and all is well.


I'm really not out to make a stink about this. But, I did want to shine Cody a bit to make an example of the polite thing to do.

In this case, I didn't take the picture in question, so I can't speak for the photographer, but the simple point is that he should of asked no matter who took the pic. fwiw, the pic used for "the stuck of the month" that he referred to is a different one, and he should have asked that photog as well.


One more thing... I wouldn't have said _anything_ at all, except that the pic he posted back into the forum has CarDomain.com's tag on it. They're basically laying claim to the pic, since he submitted it to their site. That's a pisser.


I used to tag ALL of my pictures with a digital watermark that proves ownership (and one that you can't visibly see). It's a pain to do since the process is pretty manual. Maybe I should go back to it? dunno...


Cody... I don't think ill of you either, I don't "hate" you or am I po'd - just a bit "hmmm'd". I won't leave you in the back 40 at Tahuya next weekend, and I won't lead you into a "puddle" that's 4' deep. I may blow you random crap though.

I helped get you running after this stuck that we're talking about, and I'd do it again in a heartbeat. No sweat.

cool? k3wl.

 

The general rule is: picture is owned by a person that took it.
Now, you can fight whose camera took that picture, etc., but the above is _the_ general rule.

As of asking permission...
If situation happens on a public ground to a private person, photog doesn't have to ask.
Example - only a city can forbid me from shooting pictures of people in their park.
If "park rules" doesn't state, "no cameras" - I can shoot pictures of whom ever I want even if there is a wedding taking place there.
Though it is "nice" if the photog asks permission.
Like I was playing frisbee one day with my son in a park and a photog from a local newspaper
approached me, showed his badge and asked whether he can take pictures of us.
It was nice of him - that's all.
Plus as a photog, if you ask then people will not be worried and act more naturally.
Today I have a frame with a piece of a local newspaper showing my smiling son playing frisbee.
Thankfully no sign of my ugly person to spoil the picture.


Now...
If the photog is on a private ground, the owner can halt him/her from taking pictures.
Let's say, a school can forbid taking pictures on their stadium.
WalMart can forbid taking pictures inside their store.
I can forbid taking pictures in my house.
A story - photog is taking pictures of a nice building from a nearby lawn,
a guard approaches him and says "Sorry, you can't shoot pictures here".
The photog calmly moves on the other side of the street and sets up to make some more pictures.
The guard approaches him again and tells him same line again. Photog asks the guard politely whether
this lawn belongs to the same company the building does.
"No".
"Ok, then you can't legally stop me from taking pictures".
End of story.

 

If a photographer takes a picture of YOUR rig in a public place, the picture legally belongs to the photographer, not you. It's not a "rule", it's the law. Not everyone knows that, so it's cool. So this may have helped educate a few people.

 

I am so jealous of the kick ass trails you guys have, no hills where i am at all. when i go up north snowboarding this year i'll have to look for some trails.

 

Mark, Sorry, i didnt even think about askin shannon, :pat: i just thought since my car was in it, i could post it. I'll Pm shannon and make sure its alright with her, that way i can get that high res. pic if my pic is chosen.

I expected to get some crap from you at tahuya anyways.

 

I Pm'd shannon and asked for her permission.

And i also went back and edited my original post and made myself more clear on things.

 

I used word "rule", but you are right - it's really the law.

 

Shannon OK'd it, so everything is all good now. i learned my lesson. and will pass the word on if i see someone do it.