Power of a 3rd gen on the freeway???
10-31-2005, 09:52 PM
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Originally Posted by <96 Runner>
The 4.30's didn't just come on LTD's.
I just said that all 3rd gen Limiteds were auto tranny's.
And I thought that possibly the 4.30 gears W/e-locker, were specified with the auto tranny, and the bigger factory tire option. Regardless of whether the particular 4Runner was an SR5, or Limited.
11-01-2005, 03:46 AM
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all V6 4runners with lockers had 4.30's from the factory. all 4cyl 4Runners with lockers had 4.56's from the factory.
i wouldn't pay for a change from 4.30 to 4.56. you won't notice it at all. if you make a gear jump, go at least 10% change for it to do any good at all.
i went from 4.10 to 4.56 and that' the least i should have gone for actual gear setup labor costs.
if you can get factory 4.30's and swap the diff/third in yourself, then it would be worth it since you have 3.90's to start with. if you are paying someone to pull the gears and replace with new gears (all that labor) then at least go to 4.56's so you'll be OK when you go to 33's.
think of it this way:
3.90 to 4.30 is a ~10% jump - a full step up
4.10 to 4.56 is a ~10% jump - a full step up
but, 4.10 to 4.30 or 4.30 to 4.56 or even 3.90 to 4.10 are only half-steps up and really don't do that much good. if you can do a half-step for free, then go for it. if it costs you anything, then don't bother.
i wouldn't pay for a change from 4.30 to 4.56. you won't notice it at all. if you make a gear jump, go at least 10% change for it to do any good at all.
i went from 4.10 to 4.56 and that' the least i should have gone for actual gear setup labor costs.
if you can get factory 4.30's and swap the diff/third in yourself, then it would be worth it since you have 3.90's to start with. if you are paying someone to pull the gears and replace with new gears (all that labor) then at least go to 4.56's so you'll be OK when you go to 33's.
think of it this way:
3.90 to 4.30 is a ~10% jump - a full step up
4.10 to 4.56 is a ~10% jump - a full step up
but, 4.10 to 4.30 or 4.30 to 4.56 or even 3.90 to 4.10 are only half-steps up and really don't do that much good. if you can do a half-step for free, then go for it. if it costs you anything, then don't bother.
11-01-2005, 04:45 AM
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Originally Posted by 02SE
I never said they did.
I just said that all 3rd gen Limiteds were auto tranny's.
And I thought that possibly the 4.30 gears W/e-locker, were specified with the auto tranny, and the bigger factory tire option. Regardless of whether the particular 4Runner was an SR5, or Limited.
I just said that all 3rd gen Limiteds were auto tranny's.
And I thought that possibly the 4.30 gears W/e-locker, were specified with the auto tranny, and the bigger factory tire option. Regardless of whether the particular 4Runner was an SR5, or Limited.
11-01-2005, 06:42 AM
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Originally Posted by bamachem
all V6 4runners with lockers had 4.30's from the factory. all 4cyl 4Runners with lockers had 4.56's from the factory.
i wouldn't pay for a change from 4.30 to 4.56. you won't notice it at all. if you make a gear jump, go at least 10% change for it to do any good at all.
i went from 4.10 to 4.56 and that' the least i should have gone for actual gear setup labor costs.
if you can get factory 4.30's and swap the diff/third in yourself, then it would be worth it since you have 3.90's to start with. if you are paying someone to pull the gears and replace with new gears (all that labor) then at least go to 4.56's so you'll be OK when you go to 33's.
think of it this way:
3.90 to 4.30 is a ~10% jump - a full step up
4.10 to 4.56 is a ~10% jump - a full step up
but, 4.10 to 4.30 or 4.30 to 4.56 or even 3.90 to 4.10 are only half-steps up and really don't do that much good. if you can do a half-step for free, then go for it. if it costs you anything, then don't bother.
i wouldn't pay for a change from 4.30 to 4.56. you won't notice it at all. if you make a gear jump, go at least 10% change for it to do any good at all.
i went from 4.10 to 4.56 and that' the least i should have gone for actual gear setup labor costs.
if you can get factory 4.30's and swap the diff/third in yourself, then it would be worth it since you have 3.90's to start with. if you are paying someone to pull the gears and replace with new gears (all that labor) then at least go to 4.56's so you'll be OK when you go to 33's.
think of it this way:
3.90 to 4.30 is a ~10% jump - a full step up
4.10 to 4.56 is a ~10% jump - a full step up
but, 4.10 to 4.30 or 4.30 to 4.56 or even 3.90 to 4.10 are only half-steps up and really don't do that much good. if you can do a half-step for free, then go for it. if it costs you anything, then don't bother.
11-01-2005, 07:43 AM
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They are right about the re gearing thing. My 98 Taco had the locker/4.30 settup and it was way faster (although a lot lighter or course) than my Runner.
I have the 4.10, 5 speed and mine does fine. i would love to get the 4.30 though cause I know what a difference it makes!
I have the 4.10, 5 speed and mine does fine. i would love to get the 4.30 though cause I know what a difference it makes!
11-01-2005, 08:13 AM
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Originally Posted by noahrexion
I have the 4.10, 5 speed and mine does fine. i would love to get the 4.30 though cause I know what a difference it makes!
Yep, with the 5-speed the .2 difference is noticeable. My mileage actually went down though 
(this is all before my crazy mods). It definitely turns higher R's on the freeway, which might explain the reduction. And yes, I did account for the gearing change mathematically in my Excel MPG charts. Oh well, 4.30's are a great step for us 5-speed guys.
11-01-2005, 07:59 PM
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Originally Posted by bamachem
all V6 4runners with lockers had 4.30's from the factory.
As I said, My '97 SR5, 5 speed, V6, 4WD is equipped with the "AW" option package.
Which includes (4) aluminum alloy wheels, P265/70R16 tires, 12.5" front rotors, chrome wheel arch molding, 4.10:1 differential gears. The list price for this package was $1,030.00
It is also equipped with the "DL" option, which is the E-locker. For a list price of $325.00
"96 Runner", sorry for thinking that's what you meant. Sometimes the typed word misses what's actually being said.
11-02-2005, 03:56 AM
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Originally Posted by 02SE
Well, that's just not true.
As I said, My '97 SR5, 5 speed, V6, 4WD is equipped with the "AW" option package.
Which includes (4) aluminum alloy wheels, P265/70R16 tires, 12.5" front rotors, chrome wheel arch molding, 4.10:1 differential gears. The list price for this package was $1,030.00
It is also equipped with the "DL" option, which is the E-locker. For a list price of $325.00
As I said, My '97 SR5, 5 speed, V6, 4WD is equipped with the "AW" option package.
Which includes (4) aluminum alloy wheels, P265/70R16 tires, 12.5" front rotors, chrome wheel arch molding, 4.10:1 differential gears. The list price for this package was $1,030.00
It is also equipped with the "DL" option, which is the E-locker. For a list price of $325.00
Originally Posted by MTL_4runner
That would be new because according to the specs sheet for 1997, lockers came with 4.30 gears.
Look up the specs on yours in the link:
http://www.top4runners.com/ja/runhist3.html
It says, "4.300 w/ optional P265/70R 16 tire package and all models with locking rear differential".
Now maybe the info is wrong.....could someone else confirm?
Look up the specs on yours in the link:
http://www.top4runners.com/ja/runhist3.html
It says, "4.300 w/ optional P265/70R 16 tire package and all models with locking rear differential".
Now maybe the info is wrong.....could someone else confirm?
have you ever actually put it up on jack stands, put the XFcase in Neutral, marked the driveshaft, turned the rear wheels and counted the rotations of the tire for 10 rotations of the driveshaft? my bet is that you'll get 43 wheel turns for 10 turns on the shaft...
according to Toyota USA, you're 97 3.4L 5-Speed 4runner didn't have an option (from the factory) for a locking rear diff...
http://www.top4runners.com/ja/runhist/1997specs.html
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11-02-2005, 04:52 AM
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Originally Posted by 02SE
"96 Runner", sorry for thinking that's what you meant. Sometimes the typed word misses what's actually being said.
And to go with what Andy is saying, I was faced with having to figure out the axle ratio on two 4Runners in order to purchase my e-locker donor vehicle. The driveshaft method, if you are really careful, will work with two revolutions of the rear wheel and a careful count of the shaft rotation. I could actually see the difference between 4.10 and 4.30. I was surprised (and depressed as I knew this would now involve swapping the front diffs too).
11-02-2005, 06:05 AM
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Originally Posted by bamachem
have you ever actually put it up on jack stands, put the XFcase in Neutral, marked the driveshaft, turned the rear wheels and counted the rotations of the tire for 10 rotations of the driveshaft? my bet is that you'll get 43 wheel turns for 10 turns on the shaft...
according to Toyota USA, you're 97 3.4L 5-Speed 4runner didn't have an option (from the factory) for a locking rear diff...
http://www.top4runners.com/ja/runhist/1997specs.html
http://www.top4runners.com/ja/runhist/1997opt.html
Sounds like 4.10 was a misprint on the sticker.
Why not jack it up and count.....if you actually have 4.30 consider yourself lucky!
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11-02-2005, 06:56 AM
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I have searched and searched and searched, but I have yet to find a single VERIFIED 4.10 E-Locker Factory thirdmember that was put into a 4Runner in Japan. NOT ONE.
I'm not saying that you definitely don't have one, but if you do, it's a VERY VERY rare jewel indeed.
I'm not saying that you definitely don't have one, but if you do, it's a VERY VERY rare jewel indeed.
11-02-2005, 08:43 AM
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Quick question regarding gearing...I have a 99 4runner with factory rear diff lock. How would I find out what my gearing is? I am running 265/75/16s and plan on upgrading to 285/75/16's.
THANKS.
THANKS.
11-02-2005, 09:05 AM
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Originally Posted by ROOFGOOF
Quick question regarding gearing...I have a 99 4runner with factory rear diff lock. How would I find out what my gearing is? I am running 265/75/16s and plan on upgrading to 285/75/16's.
THANKS.
THANKS.
11-02-2005, 09:21 AM
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Originally Posted by bamachem
have you ever actually put it up on jack stands, put the XFcase in Neutral, marked the driveshaft, turned the rear wheels and counted the rotations of the tire for 10 rotations of the driveshaft? my bet is that you'll get 43 wheel turns for 10 turns on the shaft...
according to Toyota USA, you're 97 3.4L 5-Speed 4runner didn't have an option (from the factory) for a locking rear diff...
http://www.top4runners.com/ja/runhist/1997specs.html
I used to work as a mechanic, my 4Runner does have 4.10:1 gears, and it also has the rear diff lock, from the factory.
11-02-2005, 10:40 AM
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I'll ask again... Have you PERSONALLY verified it by counting teeth or rotating a wheel and counting driveshaft rotations?
Sorry, nothing against you, but I'm skeptical until I see that you've correctly verified it. Like I said before, others have claimed to have a locked 4.10 diff, but when checked, they actually have 4.30's.
Sorry, nothing against you, but I'm skeptical until I see that you've correctly verified it. Like I said before, others have claimed to have a locked 4.10 diff, but when checked, they actually have 4.30's.
11-02-2005, 11:16 AM
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I thought the fact that I used to work as a mechanic, would be sufficient to back-up what I said.
YES, I have verified the gear ratio. I did that when I was looking for a traction aiding front differential, years ago.
That link also says "preliminary" specifications. Which would indicate that they're not final production specs.
I'm not angry here, but my 'Runner is equipped from the factory, as I said it was.
I don't think Toyota only made one vehicle like mine. In fact there was an identical 'Runner at the same dealership, when I bought mine in sept. '97.
YES, I have verified the gear ratio. I did that when I was looking for a traction aiding front differential, years ago.
That link also says "preliminary" specifications. Which would indicate that they're not final production specs.
I'm not angry here, but my 'Runner is equipped from the factory, as I said it was.
I don't think Toyota only made one vehicle like mine. In fact there was an identical 'Runner at the same dealership, when I bought mine in sept. '97.
11-02-2005, 11:24 AM
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I thought the fact that I used to work as a mechanic, would be sufficient to back-up what I said.
YES, I have verified the gear ratio. I did that when I was looking for a traction aiding front differential, years ago.
That link also says "preliminary" specifications. Which would indicate that they're not final production specs.
I'm not angry here, but my 'Runner is equipped from the factory, as I said it was.
I don't think Toyota only made one vehicle like mine. In fact there was an identical 'Runner at the same dealership, when I bought mine in sept. '97.
YES, I have verified the gear ratio. I did that when I was looking for a traction aiding front differential, years ago.
That link also says "preliminary" specifications. Which would indicate that they're not final production specs.
I'm not angry here, but my 'Runner is equipped from the factory, as I said it was.
I don't think Toyota only made one vehicle like mine. In fact there was an identical 'Runner at the same dealership, when I bought mine in sept. '97.
I don't think anyone doubts your competence, we are all just surprised.
11-02-2005, 11:41 AM
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Originally Posted by MTL_4runner
So this vehicle was owned by you since it was new, the vehicle was bought in the US and you did verify by actually counting revs....then that would make the spec sheet incorrect unless it was a dealer modified vehicle, since the spec sheet indicates OEM specs. That would be the first time I have heard of that as a possible option.
I don't think anyone doubts your competence, we are all just surprised.
I don't think anyone doubts your competence, we are all just surprised.
It was bought brand new by me, at Larry Miller Toyota, in Murray Utah. Sept. 19, '97.
They also had another identical 'Runner on the lot at the time, I chose the one with Goodyear tires vs. the other which had Bridgestone tires. That was probably a mistake, since I had to get rid of those crappy Wrangler RT/S tires, before 1000 miles becuase they couldn't be balanced adequately.
Another dealership in the area, Menlove Toyota, in Bountiful Utah, also had a 'Runner equipped exactly the same as the one I bought.
