Power of a 3rd gen on the freeway???
#21
w/ an SR5 and 15" wheels, it's a good chance that you have 3.90's. you should have at least 4.30's for 265/75-16's.
i would have loved to keep my SC, but in selling it, i was able to completely pay for a regear AND A FRONT LOCKER. i have about the same acceleration w/ the regear as i did on stock 4.10's and the charger.
gearing makes a BIG difference.
i would have loved to keep my SC, but in selling it, i was able to completely pay for a regear AND A FRONT LOCKER. i have about the same acceleration w/ the regear as i did on stock 4.10's and the charger.
gearing makes a BIG difference.
Last edited by bamachem; Oct 31, 2005 at 09:17 AM.
#22
Originally Posted by ebelen1
Also, since you guys are knowledgable and I'm too lazy too search, how do you find out what gears you have? I know that there are charts out there to tell you what to have, but what do I really have?
http://www.top4runners.com/ja/runhist3.html
Most likely you have 3.90's where most 16" rimmed 4runners will have 4.10's (lockers have 4.30's)
I agree with Andy, it makes a HUGE difference in available torque.
Last edited by MTL_4runner; Oct 31, 2005 at 09:18 AM.
#23
You have to run premium gas, plus fuel mods are essential if you want reliability and a dependable rig. That is more $$$$. Regear is a one time cost.
It is all about economics and YOUR priorities
I think he didn't care about the extra power since the re-gear brought his usable power back after the addition of larger tires.
It is all about economics and YOUR priorities
I think he didn't care about the extra power since the re-gear brought his usable power back after the addition of larger tires.
Last edited by FilthyRich; Oct 31, 2005 at 09:18 AM.
#24
i didn't want a street racer (
) and i also didn't want the extra power w/ a front locker. i don't care to snap CV's any easier that a stock runner...
for me, a regear was $500 in parts and about $300 in labor. add in the price of the front locker and you know what i paid.
for a SC, you have about $1300-1500 for a used charger, then add another $900 for a 7th injector kit or $1000 for a URD kit. then on top of that, add another $500 for a valve body upgrade for the auto transmission.
for me, the $800 regear, a front locker, a few bucks left over, and running 87 octane VERSUS an eventual $3000 and the REQUIREMENT of 93 octane was easy.
the power is nice, but i personally didn't need it.
) and i also didn't want the extra power w/ a front locker. i don't care to snap CV's any easier that a stock runner... for me, a regear was $500 in parts and about $300 in labor. add in the price of the front locker and you know what i paid.
for a SC, you have about $1300-1500 for a used charger, then add another $900 for a 7th injector kit or $1000 for a URD kit. then on top of that, add another $500 for a valve body upgrade for the auto transmission.
for me, the $800 regear, a front locker, a few bucks left over, and running 87 octane VERSUS an eventual $3000 and the REQUIREMENT of 93 octane was easy.
the power is nice, but i personally didn't need it.
#25
Originally Posted by ebelen1
That's awesome. You said earlier that you have a s/c and you re-geared. I've read where bamachem got rid of the s/c because of the regearing. Did you just want to go balls out?

In all honesty, I don't street-race my rig. I like my clutch, so you will hardly ever see me try and launch on someone (not only that but it is just stupid to race around in traffic). I got it because I got sick and tired of not being able to pass without taking my life into my own hands. We also go North into the mountains a lot, and the power increase is unbelievable over stock. You just lower your foot, even in 5th gear, and fly up the hills - even at high elevations fully loaded. It really is amazing once properly tuned (otherwise the ping will drive you nuts and grenade your motor). It is really cool to be able to tune this thing with my laptop. You would not believe how much timing has to be retarded in the 2K - 3K range though.
Re-gearing is huge. I would take care of that first. Don't mask the problem by stuffing more air and fuel into the motor. Besides, a SC'r with a tuning set-up like mine will run you around $2500. Gears are far more affordable.
#26
Originally Posted by bamachem
i didn't want a street racer (
) and i also didn't want the extra power w/ a front locker. i don't care to snap CV's any easier that a stock runner...
for me, a regear was $500 in parts and about $300 in labor. add in the price of the front locker and you know what i paid.
for a SC, you have about $1300-1500 for a used charger, then add another $900 for a 7th injector kit or $1000 for a URD kit. then on top of that, add another $500 for a valve body upgrade for the auto transmission.
for me, the $800 regear, a front locker, a few bucks left over, and running 87 octane VERSUS an eventual $3000 and the REQUIREMENT of 93 octane was easy.
the power is nice, but i personally didn't need it.
) and i also didn't want the extra power w/ a front locker. i don't care to snap CV's any easier that a stock runner... for me, a regear was $500 in parts and about $300 in labor. add in the price of the front locker and you know what i paid.
for a SC, you have about $1300-1500 for a used charger, then add another $900 for a 7th injector kit or $1000 for a URD kit. then on top of that, add another $500 for a valve body upgrade for the auto transmission.
for me, the $800 regear, a front locker, a few bucks left over, and running 87 octane VERSUS an eventual $3000 and the REQUIREMENT of 93 octane was easy.
the power is nice, but i personally didn't need it.
However, once I cough up the $500 for the vb upgrade, I am done with s/c mods. It is fun and with gas prices droppping I can actually drive my truck with less remorse/ guilt.
#28
Awesome. Thanks for all the info.
I'm actually happy with the power of the truck most of the time. If regearing will get me this comfort even on slight inclines, it seems like the best way to go. Now off to searching for prices and such.
I'm actually happy with the power of the truck most of the time. If regearing will get me this comfort even on slight inclines, it seems like the best way to go. Now off to searching for prices and such.
#30
sign up at http://www.pirate4x4.com forum and immediately PM username PORC (alex at http://www.performaceoffroad.com) and see what prices he can get you on yukon 4.56's. w/ 4.56's you'll be fine w/ 32's or 33's.
you could also look for some 4.30 diffs and then just swap them w/ yours and then sell yours as cores on ebay.
you could also look for some 4.30 diffs and then just swap them w/ yours and then sell yours as cores on ebay.
#31
Originally Posted by bamachem
you could also look for some 4.30 diffs and then just swap them w/ yours and then sell yours as cores on ebay.
#33
Originally Posted by bamachem
sign up at http://www.pirate4x4.com forum and immediately PM username PORC (alex at http://www.performaceoffroad.com) and see what prices he can get you on yukon 4.56's. w/ 4.56's you'll be fine w/ 32's or 33's.
you could also look for some 4.30 diffs and then just swap them w/ yours and then sell yours as cores on ebay.
you could also look for some 4.30 diffs and then just swap them w/ yours and then sell yours as cores on ebay.
BTW, you two (bamachem and MTL4unner) rock. Always helping a newb like me...
#34
I have actually been thinking about swapping my 4.30s for 4.56. I am not sure what the difference would be like--that is power, shift points, mileage.
I guess I could find all those answers, but when I am actually ready to pull the trigger I will get more in depth.
It would be nice to drive a 4r with 4.56s, but sometimes that is not available and you have to follow the numbers and trust the gearing charts
I guess I could find all those answers, but when I am actually ready to pull the trigger I will get more in depth.
It would be nice to drive a 4r with 4.56s, but sometimes that is not available and you have to follow the numbers and trust the gearing charts
#35
Originally Posted by MTL_4runner
Just look up the specs for your vehicle on here:
http://www.top4runners.com/ja/runhist3.html
Most likely you have 3.90's where most 16" rimmed 4runners will have 4.10's (lockers have 4.30's)
I agree with Andy, it makes a HUGE difference in available torque.
http://www.top4runners.com/ja/runhist3.html
Most likely you have 3.90's where most 16" rimmed 4runners will have 4.10's (lockers have 4.30's)
I agree with Andy, it makes a HUGE difference in available torque.
My '97 SR5 5 speed, came with the optional 16" alloy wheels, 265/70 R 16 tires, 4.10 gears, and E-locker.
#36
Originally Posted by 02SE
Not all E-locker equipped 4Runners have 4.30 gears.
My '97 SR5 5 speed, came with the optional 16" alloy wheels, 265/70 R 16 tires, 4.10 gears, and E-locker.
My '97 SR5 5 speed, came with the optional 16" alloy wheels, 265/70 R 16 tires, 4.10 gears, and E-locker.
Look up the specs on yours in the link:
http://www.top4runners.com/ja/runhist3.html
It says, "4.300 w/ optional P265/70R 16 tire package and all models with locking rear differential".
Now maybe the info is wrong.....could someone else confirm?
Last edited by MTL_4runner; Oct 31, 2005 at 06:07 PM.
#37
Well, according to the Monroney sticker (window sticker) it has the 4.10 gears, with the 265/70R16 tires, alloy wheels, chrome wheel arch molding, and it also has the E-locker.
Maybe the 4.30's were on auto tranny 'Runners.
I do know that 2nd gen 'Runners had lower axle gearing, when equipped with an auto tranny.
Maybe the 4.30's were on auto tranny 'Runners.
I do know that 2nd gen 'Runners had lower axle gearing, when equipped with an auto tranny.
#38
Originally Posted by 02SE
Well, according to the Monroney sticker (window sticker) it has the 4.10 gears, with the 265/70R16 tires, alloy wheels, chrome wheel arch molding, and it also has the E-locker.
Maybe the 4.30's were on auto tranny 'Runners.
I do know that 2nd gen 'Runners had lower axle gearing, when equipped with an auto tranny.
Maybe the 4.30's were on auto tranny 'Runners.
I do know that 2nd gen 'Runners had lower axle gearing, when equipped with an auto tranny.
#39
Originally Posted by garrett1478
may be true that 4.30s were only auto, bc a lot of the time 4.30s are associated with limiteds w/ lockers, and weren't all limiteds automatic?
I bought an SR5 because it had the manual tranny option.


