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Old Sep 20, 2004 | 08:38 PM
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This puts them at EXACTLY the same height as the Tundra 2WD Coils w/the 2.5" Spacers.
...Which is still taller than 882's as your rubbing wasn't as severe with these..correct?
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Old Sep 20, 2004 | 08:40 PM
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Oh yeah, at least a half-inch higher, and more like 3/4". I still rub slightly, but only on a turned stuff and only on the pinch weld that I haven't pounded yet.
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Old Sep 21, 2004 | 10:27 AM
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Flex info:

(from center of hub vertically to bottom of limited flare)

Note: As you can see in the last two pics, the front didn't bottom out on the bumpstop and the upper A Arm did not touch the spring. No tire left the ground. I couldn't get it to max the front because the driver-side rear tire was about to rip off my flare. If I were to put a rock under the driver rear tire, then I could probally squeeze 8" of travel out of the front and maybe, just maybe a touch over. I gotta get that BL on for sure.

Front normal height: 21.75"
Front compressed height: 17.5"
Front extended height: 24.75"
Front overall travel: 7.25"
% of comp/extension: 58% of travel is compression
42% of travel is extension

Rear normal height: 22.00"
Rear compressed height: 14.00"
Rear extended height: 31.00"
Rear overall travel: 17.00"
% of comp/extension: 47% of travel is compression
53% of travel is extension

Pics of position during measurement:






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Old Sep 21, 2004 | 10:47 AM
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Yep, you got it. We now have a new option. This is good since Cronbred's design changed killed the frank formula.

Sonoran Steel if at all, will offer a conpletely new top plate with the spacer built in, extended bolts sunk into hex shaped holes and of course the OME boot will fit.

More expensive, but more refined. Both will work just fine, and I am hessitant to dump money into machine shop parts, so who knows.


But excellent. That's it.

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Old Sep 21, 2004 | 11:03 AM
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Originally Posted by sschaefer3
Yep, you got it. We now have a new option. This is good since Cronbred's design changed killed the frank formula.

Sonoran Steel if at all, will offer a conpletely new top plate with the spacer built in, extended bolts sunk into hex shaped holes and of course the OME boot will fit.

More expensive, but more refined. Both will work just fine, and I am hessitant to dump money into machine shop parts, so who knows.


But excellent. That's it.

I'm holding off on looking into it until you decide if you are going to procede. Like you said, my option is inexpensive, durable, and functions perfectly. Your option is a touch more expensive, just as durable, and still functions perfectly. If you don't want to make the integrated spacer/top plate, then I'll have a source ready to make the spacers. One way or the other, this setup is going to HURT SAW and OME. There's NO WAY they can compare for low speed crawling.

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Old Sep 21, 2004 | 11:15 AM
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Originally Posted by bamachem
I'm holding off on looking into it until you decide if you are going to procede. Like you said, my option is inexpensive, durable, and functions perfectly. Your option is a touch more expensive, just as durable, and still functions perfectly. If you don't want to make the integrated spacer/top plate, then I'll have a source ready to make the spacers. One way or the other, this setup is going to HURT SAW and OME. There's NO WAY they can compare for low speed crawling.
True. Mike is having the first prototype 4Runner coil 2" spacer made this week. We'll have to see what that ends up costing, but the target retail price is $150 and a 99 or 00 owner would re-use the stock coils.

If you have to buy coils, you might as well buy the Tundras. I'll pick a set as well as soon as I sell a bumper or two. I'm building another 3rd Gen this week and this weekend the first 2nd Gen.

But back to the Tundra coil top plate, that would need to retail for around $75.00, any less and answering all the e-mails, Paypal fees, cost of boxes and packing supplies, time to drive to UPS, etc. Will not make it worth it.

Bit still that would be $120 for coils, $75.00 Adapter/top plate and $200.00 for the OME shocks, Bilsteins are less.

So right at $400 for "all new" front bolt-ins that really go to town.

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Old Sep 21, 2004 | 11:38 AM
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I think I should be able to do the top plate (CNC computer cut) and studs for $75 a set (pair of plates and 6 studs). The front RED billies are about $195/pair. Yellow HD billies (just yellow instead of red and missing the TRD sticker) are $135/pair. OME N91s's are $225/pair. Tundra TRD 4WD coil springs range anywhere from $212/pair to $160/pair new and about $80/pair used.

I think $400 for a bolt-on solution is very feasable.

Patience pays off... Just for comparison, I bought my billies w/ TRD 2WD coils for $125 shipped. I got the 4WD TRD coils for another $65 shipped. Studs were $24 shipped and top plates were $20 shipped. I'll get about $40 or so out of the 2WD coils, so that will put me at $194 for components. The spacer material was reasonable and it's enough for two front spacers and two rear trim packers. My rear Downey coils were $160 shipped and the N86's were $147 shipped. In all, my ENTIRE suspension has set me back a touch over $500 total. Anyone who is running $650 saws up front with $400 worth of OME stuff in the back needs to ask themselves "WHY"?

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Old Sep 21, 2004 | 12:12 PM
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Andy, I'm surprised you don't rub against the rear bumper edge on the fully stuffed rear wheel with the 285's. you and I have the same rear end [aside from the downey coils] and mine rub a little, even with the mud guard bolts and mud guards removed.
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Old Sep 21, 2004 | 12:16 PM
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Originally Posted by keisur
Andy, I'm surprised you don't rub against the rear bumper edge on the fully stuffed rear wheel with the 285's. you and I have the same rear end [aside from the downey coils] and mine rub a little, even with the mud guard bolts and mud guards removed.
Maybe you missed this part. "I couldn't get it to max the front because the driver-side rear tire was about to rip off my flare."

1" RB BL goes on this weekend. Hopefully, my syn line will be here by then too.
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Old Sep 21, 2004 | 12:18 PM
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Originally Posted by bamachem
Maybe you missed this part. "I couldn't get it to max the front because the driver-side rear tire was about to rip off my flare."

1" RB BL goes on this weekend. Hopefully, my syn line will be here by then too.
Well, ex-kewz-mee!

Yea, the thread was sort of long and I guess I slipped by it. I installed a 2" home made body lift a couple weeks back and I haven't had any rubbing since as far as I know. I guess Tellico will tell me whether or not there still is.
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Old Sep 21, 2004 | 12:26 PM
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Oh yeah, if you have the possibility of rubbing, you'll find out then.
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Old Sep 21, 2004 | 12:38 PM
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Originally Posted by bamachem
"WHY"?
The are the most expensive, they HAVE to be the best.



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Old Sep 21, 2004 | 12:43 PM
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Originally Posted by sschaefer3
The are the most expensive, they HAVE to be the best.



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Old Sep 21, 2004 | 12:51 PM
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Originally Posted by sschaefer3
The are the most expensive, they HAVE to be the best.



SAW's are good at what they were designed to do, and that was not rockcrawling. Needless to say, mine are coming off in favor of tundra coils.
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Old Sep 21, 2004 | 01:00 PM
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Originally Posted by sschaefer3
The are the most expensive, they HAVE to be the best.



????? oh, I get it, you're back on "that" trip. I don't ask why, I just don't feel like blowing all my cash on trying every single suspension option out there, I prefer to pick one and stick with it and spend the cash on other mods.

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Old Sep 21, 2004 | 01:03 PM
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Originally Posted by bamachem
$400 worth of OME stuff in the back
$400? where'd you get your prices Andy? $60 x 4 = $240.
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Old Sep 21, 2004 | 01:09 PM
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So can I use just the Tundra coils and Bils without the spacer and still achieve 2" of lift?
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Old Sep 21, 2004 | 01:21 PM
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for comparison, i was getting a hair over 10" of front travel with my SAW/ATS/Revtek combo.

http://4x4runnin.com/pics/Cumming11-30-03-1.JPG

http://4x4runnin.com/pics/SE4RJ7.JPG

i have not measured my OME/ATS/Revtek combo yet.

I will try and get the front end tests done this weekend, ive been swamped with work for a long time.
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Old Sep 21, 2004 | 01:33 PM
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Originally Posted by keisur
????? oh, I get it, you're back on "that" trip.
No Way Jose-

2001 Corbred Spacers and Stock Coils

2002 SAW's (Because I was "told" the stock coils with spacers would not hold my winch, they did, but I had already paid for the SAW's)

2003 Corbred Spacers and Stock Coils


You see I started and ended up with the SAME THING. I tried something it did nto work well and went back to the exact same thing. I tried 2 things. That's it.
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Old Sep 21, 2004 | 01:37 PM
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Originally Posted by sschaefer3
No Way Jose-

2001 Corbred Spacers and Stock Coils

2002 SAW's (Because I was "told" the stock coils with spacers would not hold my winch, they did, but I had already paid for the SAW's)

2003 Corbred Spacers and Stock Coils


You see I started and ended up with the SAME THING. I tried something it did nto work well and went back to the exact same thing. I tried 2 things. That's it.
no, I meant the smartipantsidness, wasn't talking about the suspension follies.
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