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Old Jan 28, 2005 | 09:02 AM
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Braided lines are good as long as you flush out the old fluid and go with DOT4 or better fluid.
I just want to clarify this point, as "DOT4 or better fluid" implies that you would be fine, maybe even better off putting DOT5 fluid in your brake system.

YOU DO NOT WANT TO DO THIS.

DOT5 fluid is not compatible with DOT3/4 systems. If you try to do this, you will have major headaches. Even draining all of your DOT3/4 fluid and replacing it with DOT5 is not a good idea.

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Old Jan 28, 2005 | 10:03 AM
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Originally Posted by Bumpin' Yota

Can this mod be carried out on a 2nd gen? IF the rotors btwn a 3rd gen and 2nd gen are interchangable as are the calipers then this mod WILL work for us...
I am happy with the brakes on my truck(93), over 100,000 miles on the original rotors. They have been turned once to remove the grooving but they have never warped. I think the 2nd gen brakes must be better than the 3rd gen.
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Old Jan 28, 2005 | 06:55 PM
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I'm assuming that this would work with a 3rd generation 4Runner as well?
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Old Jan 28, 2005 | 06:57 PM
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3rd Gen Brake Upgrade - No more warped rotors
...so yeah.
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Old Jan 28, 2005 | 07:08 PM
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Originally Posted by PeteV
I'm assuming that this would work with a 3rd generation 4Runner as well?
Umm.....
Got my Tundra calipers and rotors installed on my 98 runner.
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Old Jan 28, 2005 | 07:13 PM
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Basically, you're going to remove your stock calipers and rotors, grind down the inside half moon of metal near the caliper on the dust shield (about 1/16 - 1/8th of material).

inside half-moon? are you talking about the caliper mounting bracket?
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Old Jan 29, 2005 | 05:46 AM
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Basically, you're going to remove your stock calipers and rotors, grind down the inside half moon of metal near the caliper on the dust shield (about 1/16 - 1/8th of material).

inside half-moon? are you talking about the caliper mounting bracket?
No, it is the dust shield.
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Old Jan 29, 2005 | 05:56 AM
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Originally Posted by MTL_4runner
No, it is the dust shield.
thats what i thought he was referring to first but i couldn't think or anything that looked like a half moon on the dust shield.

another question that i have is, how does the pedal feel? did it get more firm with the additional pistons? i know that most people that do SAS's end up with a really mushy pedal because the calipers they swap (waggy or chevy) to have two large pistons.
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Old Jan 29, 2005 | 06:08 AM
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How much did this cost?
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Old Jan 29, 2005 | 10:36 AM
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Damn, you have to tell me this 3 days after I get all new front brakes.... Do you ahve any clearance issues? B/C my seteelies are damn close as it is. I'd probably have to go back to the stockers (which I was planning on doing anyway)
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Old Jan 29, 2005 | 06:13 PM
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Ok, here's the pics.

In advance, sorry I can't compare them because I don't have the old discs. Grab a ruler and see if they are near the measurements I have for the width of the disc.


Measurement


Shot of disc/caliper


Shot of caliper from backside. This is where you will need to trim the dust shield. (between the 2 19mm bolts that hold the caliper in place)


Shot of the OEM pads



Price - What I paid and what you might pay are going to be compeletly different. I got a deal because my buddy wanted to see if it worked, so he hooked me up. I paid for new pads and some shop time, but otherwise that's about it.

Search your local junkyard and see if you can find some 2000+ Tundra calipers. You will also want the OEM tundra brakeline that is attached to the caliper.

Now go WRENCH!!!!
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Old Jan 29, 2005 | 06:18 PM
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Originally Posted by turboale
Damn, you have to tell me this 3 days after I get all new front brakes.... Do you ahve any clearance issues? B/C my seteelies are damn close as it is. I'd probably have to go back to the stockers (which I was planning on doing anyway)
Sorry bro, if I knew you were going to replace all your front brakes, I would have told you about this.

I have 16" SR5 wheels on my 4WD, so there are no problems at all. I have no idea about steelies or otherwise. 15's WILL NOT FIT, you MUST upgrade to 16" alloys at the minimum. This I am sure of.

Pedal feel is about the same, braking is not. If I stand on my pedal, it feels like the rear end is going to come up off the ground. The truck want's to do a stoppie....
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Old Jan 29, 2005 | 06:18 PM
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So any idea if this will work with a second gen? Also i think brembo makes after market kits for the tundra if anyone wants ultimate stopping power.
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Old Jan 29, 2005 | 06:43 PM
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They are the same rotors. The Tundra calipers have 6 pistons versus the 4Runner's 4.

A 6-piston caliper with stainless lines, high performace pads, and slotted rotors would be supreme. I have about 3/4ths of that setup. I have the slotted/drilled rotors, stainless braided lines, and EBC pads.
No sir! Tundras had 4-Piston front calipers

And for the person(s) who want to do a rear disk conversion with the front disk/caliper, lemme burst your bubble: Front caliper dont accomodate the e-Brake, so it wont work..
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Old Jan 29, 2005 | 06:45 PM
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Well you would have to do a driveline brake for the e-brake.
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Old Jan 29, 2005 | 06:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Gangus2006
No sir! Tundras had 4-Piston front calipers

And for the person(s) who want to do a rear disk conversion with the front disk/caliper, lemme burst your bubble: Front caliper dont accomodate the e-Brake, so it wont work..
if this is true then where is the gain coming from?
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Old Jan 29, 2005 | 06:53 PM
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They are still 4 piston, but the stopping force is greater due to a larger piston.

Also, the brake rotors are thicker and so they have more material to disapate heat with.

All this equates to better stopping power.
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Old Jan 29, 2005 | 06:58 PM
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Originally Posted by socal98runner
They are still 4 piston, but the stopping force is greater due to a larger piston.

Also, the brake rotors are thicker and so they have more material to disapate heat with.

All this equates to better stopping power.
you wouldn't happen to have a picture of the two calipers side by side would you?
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Old Jan 29, 2005 | 09:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Mystickal
I just want to clarify this point, as "DOT4 or better fluid" implies that you would be fine, maybe even better off putting DOT5 fluid in your brake system.

YOU DO NOT WANT TO DO THIS.

DOT5 fluid is not compatible with DOT3/4 systems. If you try to do this, you will have major headaches. Even draining all of your DOT3/4 fluid and replacing it with DOT5 is not a good idea.

~Mystickal

there are 2 different kinds of dot 5 fluids, one is compatible, another is not sorry im too lazy to look this up i am pretty intoxicated
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Old Jan 30, 2005 | 04:23 AM
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Originally Posted by socal98runner
Ok, here's the pics.

In advance, sorry I can't compare them because I don't have the old discs. Grab a ruler and see if they are near the measurements I have for the width of the disc.

Shot of the OEM pads

This is a shot from on top of the standard 4Runner setup:
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