1986 Toyota Pickup Track times?
#21
This guy will get ya setup with a head and cam combo that works great with out killing the budget.
http://engnbldr.com/
http://engnbldr.com/
#22
might look into an engnbldr 270, TRD, crane or LC engineering cam. i think you'll want to shoot for one that improves the high end, not a crawler RV cam like most of us 4x4 guys do.
you guys that think a 22R can't be fast have little faith! old celicas were pretty fast as well, and guess what was under their hoods? the same engines that the hilux used! not to mention that your average celica weighs more than your average 2wd truck.
maybe my next one will be another 2wd...built to go fast, i'm building my 4x4 to go slow
how i'd do it...depending on which motor i have handy or cheap...
option 1 - 20R/22R hybrid. i have a decent "core" 20R head in my back yard(off a rusted up, siezed engine). the casting is probably good, albeit full of dirt and slime, but i think it could be cleaned up, ported and polished, and oversized valves installed. i'd put an LC or engnbldr 270 cam in it, and run stock 22R pistons in an early 22R block. if i'm right this would give about 10:1 compression since the chambers on the 20R head are smaller than the 22R head. since this is for racing, i'd go with dual side draft carbs, probably weber 45 DCOEs. for a header, i'd use an LC engineering 4-to-1 piece.
option 2: late 22R(E). for this setup, i'd go with an engnbldr street HO head. oversized stainless valves and polished up. top it off with his 270 cam. block wise, stock lazer block with 11:1 pistons, LC header. for fuel i'd either go the side draft route or EFI
you guys that think a 22R can't be fast have little faith! old celicas were pretty fast as well, and guess what was under their hoods? the same engines that the hilux used! not to mention that your average celica weighs more than your average 2wd truck.
maybe my next one will be another 2wd...built to go fast, i'm building my 4x4 to go slow

how i'd do it...depending on which motor i have handy or cheap...
option 1 - 20R/22R hybrid. i have a decent "core" 20R head in my back yard(off a rusted up, siezed engine). the casting is probably good, albeit full of dirt and slime, but i think it could be cleaned up, ported and polished, and oversized valves installed. i'd put an LC or engnbldr 270 cam in it, and run stock 22R pistons in an early 22R block. if i'm right this would give about 10:1 compression since the chambers on the 20R head are smaller than the 22R head. since this is for racing, i'd go with dual side draft carbs, probably weber 45 DCOEs. for a header, i'd use an LC engineering 4-to-1 piece.
option 2: late 22R(E). for this setup, i'd go with an engnbldr street HO head. oversized stainless valves and polished up. top it off with his 270 cam. block wise, stock lazer block with 11:1 pistons, LC header. for fuel i'd either go the side draft route or EFI
#23
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Not exactly. Velocity is a combination of speed and direction. Acceleration is a change in velocity (speed), turning is also a change in velocity (direction), but they are not the same thing.
I think ill have to disagree with you on that one.
ac·cel·er·a·tion
a. The act of accelerating.
b. The process of being accelerated.
2. Abbr. a Physics The rate of change of velocity with respect to time.
Change in direction is a change in velocity like you said, and change in velocity is acceleration, stated by defintion.
Not to be a smart ass or anything, just wanted to clear things up!
#25
my 4x2 22r is pretty quick, i have an 8" rear with 3.07 gears, but i have a 5 speed... my vin plate says its got a w46 which is a 4 speed, but mines a 5, it probably was swapped out at some time..... its slower now that i lifted it up and have 31s on it... but it still scoots pretty good.....
#27
Considering this setup: (Suggestions or Comments?)
1.) LCE 4-1 Header
2.) LCE EFI Pro Cam or ToyotaPerformance EFI Pro Cam (Suggestions on which one?)
3.) Free Flow Cat (Do these make that much of a difference over the stock cats?)
4.) Open Filter Intake (Got it.)
LCE has a 22RE Pro Cam and Pro Cam Offset, what's the difference? Thanks.
1.) LCE 4-1 Header
2.) LCE EFI Pro Cam or ToyotaPerformance EFI Pro Cam (Suggestions on which one?)
3.) Free Flow Cat (Do these make that much of a difference over the stock cats?)
4.) Open Filter Intake (Got it.)
LCE has a 22RE Pro Cam and Pro Cam Offset, what's the difference? Thanks.
#28
I would suggest either send your head to engnbldr to have it redone with oversized valves and the 270 cam, that is what i did and it was only $400 aprox. Or go with the TCR EFI power package for $900 you get a whole lot. And it will complament what you have now.
I would like to see what your times are now and when you get this done.
I would like to see what your times are now and when you get this done.
#30
that's what i've always thought, TCR just sells LC stuff. sounds like you're off to a good start...the cam will make a big difference.
engnbldr's heads are a good setup, it's a new generation casting, and they can be ordered with oversized valves and some port work done for $620...not a bad deal considering it's a BRAND NEW head.
engnbldr's heads are a good setup, it's a new generation casting, and they can be ordered with oversized valves and some port work done for $620...not a bad deal considering it's a BRAND NEW head.
#31
They just rebuilt mine and it was $350 W/O the cam. They are really good they have 20-30years of experiance and know what they are talking about. He stumped a buddy of mine who is a master mech and blew him out of the water with his knowledge of heads.
#34
Originally Posted by kyle_22r
when installing a cam it's best to do your head gasket at the same time, as the head bolts also hold down the rocker assembly
Last edited by YotaTruck1986; Nov 18, 2004 at 02:59 PM.
#36
Originally Posted by kyle_22r
yep, definitely a good idea to replace the head gasket. it's not all that hard of a job, it's mostly just getting everything out of the way. i'd trust anything LC sells
#37
Don't bother with the 22R/RE, just do the 7M-GTE Supra swap and you WILL be fast. Can you say stock LS1 territory? LOL!
Actually, I'm suprised nobody here has G-tech'ed their 4cyl truck yet.
I wouldn't under estimate a good running 22R/RE in a lightweight '84-'88 2wd Hilux. With my meager mods and rather high mileage, I have no problem beating alot of newer vehicles from a stoplight. 4cyl S10's, older Civic's, 4cyl Ranger's and the list goes on. I also can give the 150hp DOHC 2RZ-FE Tacoma's a pretty good run too.LOL!
IMO, I'd go with the Thorley header. The tri-Y design will help increase low to mid rpm TQ. This is what you need most with these trucks because the 22R/RE is a low to mid rpm TQ motor. Get a late style 22RE intake plenum. I believe it was around the '94MY or so that Toyota redesigned the 22RE plenum for more flow. Ditch the mechanical fan and get an electric one for less parasitic drag on the engine. I think you can also tweak the AFM for more airflow as well. Be careful with the cam selection though. The 22RE is a slightly different animal than the 22R. A cam that may work good on a 22R may not work as well on a 22RE.
If I were you, I'd do the header and catback exhaust first. This alone will make the most noticeable difference in how your truck runs. After that, then I'd do the air intake modifications like a K&N/Amsoil filter with a DIY cold-air-induction setup. You'll be so pleased with how the truck runs after that, you won't even want the "aftermarket" cam.
Actually, I'm suprised nobody here has G-tech'ed their 4cyl truck yet.
I wouldn't under estimate a good running 22R/RE in a lightweight '84-'88 2wd Hilux. With my meager mods and rather high mileage, I have no problem beating alot of newer vehicles from a stoplight. 4cyl S10's, older Civic's, 4cyl Ranger's and the list goes on. I also can give the 150hp DOHC 2RZ-FE Tacoma's a pretty good run too.LOL!
IMO, I'd go with the Thorley header. The tri-Y design will help increase low to mid rpm TQ. This is what you need most with these trucks because the 22R/RE is a low to mid rpm TQ motor. Get a late style 22RE intake plenum. I believe it was around the '94MY or so that Toyota redesigned the 22RE plenum for more flow. Ditch the mechanical fan and get an electric one for less parasitic drag on the engine. I think you can also tweak the AFM for more airflow as well. Be careful with the cam selection though. The 22RE is a slightly different animal than the 22R. A cam that may work good on a 22R may not work as well on a 22RE.
If I were you, I'd do the header and catback exhaust first. This alone will make the most noticeable difference in how your truck runs. After that, then I'd do the air intake modifications like a K&N/Amsoil filter with a DIY cold-air-induction setup. You'll be so pleased with how the truck runs after that, you won't even want the "aftermarket" cam.
#38
Originally Posted by mikedog
Ditch the mechanical fan and get an electric one for less parasitic drag on the engine.
#39
My 04 3.4l is just about adequate for keeping up with traffic, both of my 22RE's were uber slow... The Subaru on the other hand... not so slow, but it is a hand full to steer when all 4 tires start spinning on a 1-2 shift.
Last edited by yamarocket630; Nov 18, 2004 at 06:56 PM.
#40
Originally Posted by YotaTruck1986
I've been looking for an electrical fan to replace the mechanical one, does anyone know of one? Thanks.
Well....I spent the $$$ and got the Flex-a-lite 165 thermostatically adjustable electric fan. It's basically a bolt in job for the fan. The fan is specifically made for the 22R/RE engines. You get all the connectors, wiring and directions to hook it up as well.
The nice thing about the adjustable fan is that my engine is always "crisp" in throttle response. With the old mechanical fan setup, my truck use to get kinda "spongy" when the outside temps got warm enough or if the engine was under a high load for long period of time. I used to hate that. The adjustable electric fan has cured that problem.
You can also do the "junkyard" Taurus electric fan mod to save $$$, but then you'd have a F*rd part on your Yota. Yuck! LOL! Also, I don't think the Taurus fan is adjustable like the Flexalite 165. I've been running the FAL 165 for almost 2-years now without a single problem.


