I've been thinking of lifting a Toyota body onto my '86 power ram since the Dodge is just sitting in my driveway anyway & runs. Old Dodges are tough; I think Ike was right when he said get the wad of cash ready & invest in a roll cage. You'll need it.

 

nah I got tired of doing so much work researching all the work that needed to be done ad realizing I would never need the 60's it was more of a novelty thing and to make it legal I needed new fenders with a 7 inch flare as the axles are 14 inches wider then stock toyota axles plus the wider shackle hangar and all the custom work with the steering because I would need hydro assist because of how much heavier these things are. so I found an idiot selling a toyota axle for 50 bucks its an 85 too so its gusseted

 

Well you can trim down the fullsizes to custom widths but then custom shafts need to be ordered and you SOL when you break.

Get some longs for your toy axle and youll be fine.

 

dude all that stuff is over rated, a stock toy axel is all u need!
and is for flex and traction! if u flex well it gives u way more traction!
that guy ike must of never heard of a water bar, in my ifs truck my back tire comes off the ground instantly! my buddys solid axel doesent spin a tire + no tire ever leaves the ground

 

Sounds like you & Ike need to meet up & go wheeling together.....

 

Flex is irrelevant.

I lift tires on EVERY wheeling trip. It never affects me, nor to I spin tires. Its never stopped me.

As much as your truck flexes, I guarantee I can find something that will still lift your tire.

I'd be happy to go wheeling with anyone.

 

I think it depends on the driver and it depends on the terrain. With a really good driver and lockers the only time you would ever NEED a sas is rock crawling. Now if your not such a good driver, a sas would definately make it easier for you to make it through the terrain. But lets steer clear of that subject as it has been talked to death and will never be able to be proved 100% and convince everybody. The day its proved is the day we find the meaning of life. So I am going sunday to pickup my new axle, I was even more excited to find out it already has warn manual hubs installed

 

[QUOTE=AxleIke;50765876]Flex is irrelevant.


flex is alot, have u ever pushed a shopping cart, lol

shopping cart= IFS.

 

Sure I've pushed a shopping cart.

I'll even agree that IFS=shopping cart. Doesn't change anything.

Flex is still totally useless.

 

Stay on topic

 

So if flex is useless then why do alot of comp rigs use long travel suspension? I take it you wheel on the rocks in Colorado. Pretty good traction there huh. Ever been to the PNW? 3 tires on the ground in alot of spots=no go. THe best way to roll is with all 4 tires on the ground providing maximum traction in whatever direction at all times. Alot of it is envirmoent specific, but i know up here lockers and such can only go sofar before tires and flex come in.

And no these arent those trails where "it must cause body damage because flex is required". Its a tough trail with low traction areas.

The more rubber on the ground the more grip for the power being applied. Isnt that why we air down tires? For more applied surface area to gain traction. Not much use in the air.

But either way LONG LONGS LONGS

 

[QUOTE=alpine4x4;50767957]

So if flex is useless then why do alot of comp rigs use long travel suspension? I take it you wheel on the rocks in Colorado. Pretty good traction there huh. Ever been to the PNW? 3 tires on the ground in alot of spots=no go.


couldnt of said it better myself, thanks for the input alpine!

ps i live in the p.n.w

 

I haven't wheeled there. If you can show that two spools and decent tires can't go where you are, then I absolutely will agree with you. I've just never seen it.

I'm basing this off of several videos from Tellico showing an IFS rig with two lockers walking up the lowest traction sections I personally have seen.

However, I admit, zero experience with the PNW. I'm guessing its worse than the east.

 

http://youtube.com/watch?v=w7muysDewRo

That video shows the kind of terrain acustom to the PNW. Anywhere from rocks like in Colorado, todeep mud pits, to slimy wet tree roots. You name it the PNW has it. Maximum traction is required. They have taken stock 4runners and FJ cruisers with ARB lockers and ARB equipment (the ARB crew) up alot of the obstacles, but many couldnt do some due to tire size and flex limitations. There are many videos where larger tires and better flex would have helped.

Its a mute point though since he only wants 32's

 

I couldn't tell if the jeep had a front locker, but if so, I amend my previous statement to exclude mud trails.

You are correct, that out here, we have amazing traction. Moab is insane.

I do not envy you

 

Yes that guy is fully locked. He is on another forum for the PNW i frequent. There are many videos on youtube of vehicles fully locked on 39"+ tires spinning all 4's on what seems to be nearly flat ground. Theres even a video on there that features bobby longs tube buggy, and you can see the dificulty he has on some spots. Wild terrain for sure

 

No matter what you say you will never be smarter than Ike and no matter what you say, for real 4wheeling, Flex is not at all everything. traction is all about providing power to the wheel in contact with the ground and using the tire to power up an obstacle. I garuntee Ike can take his rig to or beyond where any SAS truck or 4runner can go with both driver experience and rig capability. Having a pair and a skinny pedal is also not at all 4wheeling. Real crawling and wheeling is about slow finness with torque and lockers idleing over obstacles. Flex really is irrelevant. With flex alone and no traction devices theoreticly you will have 2 main drive wheels in 4wd. Hense your problems.

 

i would take a fully locked stock 4runner with mud terrians over a open dif 4runner with all the flex u could get, it comes down to torque and traction, altho my rig doesnt have much of any i have been on enough runs to know

 

Im convinced flex just looks cool.

 

thats why ur doing a sas this week