Pipe Bomb on Trail Gate in Oregon!!
05-17-2004, 09:48 AM
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Originally Posted by jx94148
If any of you from the NW see any news coverage of this crap please post up. I'm not finding anything. This is serious poop and so far it seems the local media is sweeping it under the carpet.
05-17-2004, 04:18 PM
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Hey guys, this really hits close to home... my girlfriends home as of right now!! She is back in her home town doing some student teaching this term and that map you found on map quest is a 2 minute walk from her house!! 
I was out hunting turkeys opening weekend and I walked past several closed gates. The land is beautiful but the people... well alot of them have drug problems. Me and my GF joke about how much nicer it would be if half the people moved, the town is pretty accept for the drugs and poverty. 
Anyway, I would say its about 50/50 that it was some idiot trying to keep people out of thier pot patch as to hippies and logging. But I will tell you that the general office of the town mill was burned to the ground by ELF several years ago!
Just crazy, I will try to get some first hand info on this whole thing. Her dad knows EVERY logging road with in 60 miles, and that's not an exaggeration. He will know more. Also, just to clarify, that star on the MapQuest map is the an old gas station in town, its not the gate, I will try to get a specific location of the gate.
I was out hunting turkeys opening weekend and I walked past several closed gates. The land is beautiful but the people... well alot of them have drug problems. Me and my GF joke about how much nicer it would be if half the people moved, the town is pretty accept for the drugs and poverty. Anyway, I would say its about 50/50 that it was some idiot trying to keep people out of thier pot patch as to hippies and logging. But I will tell you that the general office of the town mill was burned to the ground by ELF several years ago!
Just crazy, I will try to get some first hand info on this whole thing. Her dad knows EVERY logging road with in 60 miles, and that's not an exaggeration. He will know more. Also, just to clarify, that star on the MapQuest map is the an old gas station in town, its not the gate, I will try to get a specific location of the gate.
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05-18-2004, 08:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Aurora Sandman
Now if it had been an abortion clinic, that would have been a different matter...
The purpose of this forum is to discuss off road trips. The purpose of this topic is to warn people on off road trips that they might be the target of domestic terrorism.
Mike, with all due respect, feel free to discuss and debate abortion clinics in the off topic section, not trip planning. Thanks.
05-19-2004, 04:05 AM
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Originally Posted by jx94148
The purpose of this forum is to discuss off road trips. The purpose of this topic is to warn people on off road trips that they might be the target of domestic terrorism.
Mike, with all due respect, feel free to discuss and debate abortion clinics in the off topic section, not trip planning. Thanks.
"Also, just to clarify, that star on the MapQuest map is the an old gas station in town, its not the gate, I will try to get a specific location of the gate."
05-19-2004, 01:30 PM
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Originally Posted by BigBadBlue
Is offroad where dirt is? I thought that gas stations were where streets are?
"Also, just to clarify, that star on the MapQuest map is the an old gas station in town, its not the gate, I will try to get a specific location of the gate."
"Also, just to clarify, that star on the MapQuest map is the an old gas station in town, its not the gate, I will try to get a specific location of the gate."
I just figured since you used map quest that you would be interested in a pin point position of the gate.
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05-19-2004, 02:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Erich_870
I didn't intend to belittle anyone
I just figured since you used map quest that you would be interested in a pin point position of the gate.
Erich
I just figured since you used map quest that you would be interested in a pin point position of the gate.
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05-19-2004, 02:15 PM
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Originally Posted by BigBadBlue
That wasnt for you Erich. That was for the others that are so sure this pipe bomb was found on a rugged offroading trail, but it wasnt from where map quest showed the pinpoint. The pinpoint looked to have been located between two streets. I think there was a bigger deal made than needed to be. We now know that the pipe bomb was found on a street and not up in the mountains. And that it was found sitting on a gate near a gas station and not in the mountains.
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05-19-2004, 03:31 PM
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Originally Posted by BigBadBlue
That wasnt for you Erich. That was for the others that are so sure this pipe bomb was found on a rugged offroading trail, but it wasnt from where map quest showed the pinpoint. The pinpoint looked to have been located between two streets. I think there was a bigger deal made than needed to be. We now know that the pipe bomb was found on a street and not up in the mountains. And that it was found sitting on a gate near a gas station and not in the mountains.
The bombs were not on "rugged" trails but one was on a gate to BLM land.
Its about motorized access to public land. Are you opposed to that on some level BBB? Are you anti-OHV recreation? Stop bogarting my attempt to make wheelers aware or some serious dangers that are very real and deadly and well within the realm of possibility.
05-19-2004, 04:39 PM
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this brought up the thought of my ex girlfriends mom.... man that lady was anti everything.... if there was someting to complain about, she did it... she also hated me because I was brought up in a conservative family who is in the oil industry, and in steel salvage... we own land and hunt and own guns.... the more I talk about it, the more I remember how much she hated me. well back to the topic. she volunteered in state parks and I she would always badger me about having a 4wd vehicle and and why it is only used to tear up the ecosystem... well as it would happen, one day she was working a state preserve, and her 2wd SUBURBAN(eats more ozone than imaginable, but mine is still worse in her eyes) gets stuck to the frame... well who does she call. hmm, not any of her friends who drive kias, but me. HAHA, well I showed up and dug and pulled and tugged and finally got her b.tch ars free. lets just say she never gave me crap for driving a 4wd vehicle after her 8hr stuck incident... the true hippi in its hypocritical form... i love it... 
i also put an NRA sticker on the back of her suburban one time and watched the ˟˟˟˟aki mushrooms hit the fan... well worth it.
i also put an NRA sticker on the back of her suburban one time and watched the ˟˟˟˟aki mushrooms hit the fan... well worth it.
05-19-2004, 08:53 PM
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Originally Posted by jx94148
I think you are missing the point. Maybe we should post more about trail closures and the political struggle to keep public lands open to motorized travel. There are lots of well funded quazi-political groups that want to close trails and land to motorized access. There are well funded terrorist groups linked to the same agenda. There are well funded drug production operations that desperatly want space to operate and will use any method possible to keep people away and escape capture. All of these people strongly dislike OHV activity and show strong tendencies to use any means to discourage it.
The bombs were not on "rugged" trails but one was on a gate to BLM land.
Its about motorized access to public land. Are you opposed to that on some level BBB? Are you anti-OHV recreation? Stop bogarting my attempt to make wheelers aware or some serious dangers that are very real and deadly and well within the realm of possibility.
The bombs were not on "rugged" trails but one was on a gate to BLM land.
Its about motorized access to public land. Are you opposed to that on some level BBB? Are you anti-OHV recreation? Stop bogarting my attempt to make wheelers aware or some serious dangers that are very real and deadly and well within the realm of possibility.
05-19-2004, 09:29 PM
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You don't need permission to debate with me but if you want permission it is granted.
I desperatly want to know the facts behind this case. Is the BLM involved? Does it involve BLM land? I guess its been established that its not a real "Trail" gate. However, I think it won't be long before the enemies of wheeling try something similar.
I desperatly want to know the facts behind this case. Is the BLM involved? Does it involve BLM land? I guess its been established that its not a real "Trail" gate. However, I think it won't be long before the enemies of wheeling try something similar.
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Ive known hippies to be very dangerous for a long time.
Last year in biology we had to watch a video about the hippies spiking trees and wanting the logging stopped up here in WA.
Last year in biology we had to watch a video about the hippies spiking trees and wanting the logging stopped up here in WA.
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Originally Posted by jx94148
The purpose of this forum is to discuss off road trips. The purpose of this topic is to warn people on off road trips that they might be the target of domestic terrorism.
Mike, with all due respect, feel free to discuss and debate abortion clinics in the off topic section, not trip planning. Thanks.
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Originally Posted by BigBadBlue
If my standing up for my opinions can get me booted from YT I will shut up.
Originally Posted by Aurora Sandman
You missed my point. I wasn't saying anything about abortion clinics. I was just pointing out the selective focus of the news media. When actions such as this are taken for a cause they support (in this case, "environmentalism") they give the story little or no coverage. But if similar actions are taken for a cause they oppose (for instance, pro-life), they'll put it on the front page.
Back to the bomb on the gate. Doesn't matter where the gate was, there's millions of gates out there on our trails, forest roads, and behind the odd gas station. Without a doubt there will be another one found eventually. I don't care who put it there (other than to subject the perp to his own bomb) but this kind of crap has been going on for years. Caltrops (tire spikes) on logging roads, razor sharp trip wires at neck height and buried TVs on bike trails, trees being downed behind you on dead end roads, etc. These are all things you have to be on the lookout for while out in the wilderness, sadly that is the state of our "public" lands these days.
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Originally Posted by Shane
The media these days is after anything that will keep people glued to their channel, so what makes the big story depends on the user base that they serve. It's all about ratings and sensationalism, and they will lie and twist the truth to get it.
05-20-2004, 06:52 PM
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Sure lots of excitement about a pipe bomb.
Out of curiosity, I checked the Seattle Times for about the last 18 months using their search feature. Without any digging at all, I came up with 4 instances of people found in populated areas with pipe bombs in their vehicles or houses. How many people in the W. Washington area heard about all those, let alone anyone somewhere else? People making bombs for all sorts of reasons is pretty common. Lets face it, unless one blows up and kills or injures someone newsworthy, or somehow ties into some wider issue of interest, it just isn't that big of a deal to anyone beyond the people closely involved.
Out of curiosity, I checked the Seattle Times for about the last 18 months using their search feature. Without any digging at all, I came up with 4 instances of people found in populated areas with pipe bombs in their vehicles or houses. How many people in the W. Washington area heard about all those, let alone anyone somewhere else? People making bombs for all sorts of reasons is pretty common. Lets face it, unless one blows up and kills or injures someone newsworthy, or somehow ties into some wider issue of interest, it just isn't that big of a deal to anyone beyond the people closely involved.
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Originally Posted by alanh
Lets face it, unless one blows up and kills or injures someone newsworthy, or somehow ties into some wider issue of interest, it just isn't that big of a deal to anyone beyond the people closely involved.
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Aurora Sandman makes a good point.
Sometimes things that don't seem important actually are. (e.g. An isolated product defect isn't a big deal, but if there are a lot of failures and you own one, it is important to you.) Pipe bombs on gates are important if it isn't just a single incident. There just seemed to be a lot of jumping to conclusions here without anything to base those conclusions on.
Sometimes things that don't seem important actually are. (e.g. An isolated product defect isn't a big deal, but if there are a lot of failures and you own one, it is important to you.) Pipe bombs on gates are important if it isn't just a single incident. There just seemed to be a lot of jumping to conclusions here without anything to base those conclusions on.
