That is why I am thinking of the swap, homemade fuel. It is expensive at the pump, but I cant make gas at home.

 

With a diesel you will definately gain the MPG's, but at what cost?

Whats a diesel motor swap gonna cost you... Time, labor and cost of the engine and parts.

Realistically and honestly what will it cost you to do this swap today? Take that dollar amount you just figured, and figure out how much gas you could buy with that money. Is it really worth the engine swap? How long will it take to pay off the 5-10 MPG difference you get with your 20-R Vs. a diesel.

 

Thanks. I am on the MTU clean snow team and we get a bonus for runnin E85/flex fuel in our sled. BS if you ask me.

 

I totally see your point mr schuster, you make perfect sense. I know the cost of the swap may not be cheap, but I myself cant say that the time spent working on it would be a "cost" to me. I spend any time I can in the garage working on my toy or our Mustangs, even when they dont need it. Remember, half of it is also the challenge of the job ahead, that is why most of us have 4x4's. Pavement is easy, so is staying stock.

 

Can you? Have you figured out the process of obtaining different dirty restaurant cooking oils ranging from canola, vegetable, and peanut oils to filtering and cleaning them into a fuel that has the same specific weight and viscosity as an oil necessary to burn properly in a diesel engine to obtain the mileage you want? How many filters and chemicals does that require and at what cost? Not all oils are going to burn the same, so the oils must be made to have the same viscosity. Do you want to spend your weekends making fuel and studying chemistry. This thread is not meant to sound nasty, but to make you thnk about the cost/benfits of alternative fuels. No I do not like gas / electric hybrids either. I dare you to ask me why..

 

My friend is allready doing it. He bought a "kit" from a place (dont quote me on the name) Freedom Fuels America. He has been doing it for two years with no problems. He drives his Stroke about 8 hours a day, so he is definatly seeing a perk. I am still in the research stage, I am still undecided. I wont get you started on hybrids, I am not to fond of many of them myself.

 

To all that think I don't care, I really do.. What really pisses me off is primarily the demand for fuel in this country, the governments lack in forcing auto companies to increase their fuel efficiency, the record profits oil companies are making right now, the fact that we purchase oil from countries like Venezuela and using millions of pounds of corn to turn into fuel instead of food. It takes more oil and coal to produce ethanol than its worth. Bio-diesel is intersting, but not for everyone. Hybrids suck because I can't think of one thing worse for the environnent than a battery with 172 individual cells of lead, mercury, acids and whatever other poisons they produce. Sickens me.
I think I will walk somewhere tomorrow.

 

Wow, very interesting point Mr Schuster. I am reading this thread very carefully because I have no idea what the hell ethanol is let alone the bad things about hybrids.

I guess I need to open my eyes more lol. Its crazy that I have never heard one bad thing about hybrids untill now...

 

Amen! The price of gas in Venezuela is $0.12 a gallon!!! Exxon has record proffits, and we get the shaft. I am 200% with you on the battery thing. That is what people dont talk about when it comes to hybrids. I dont think you dont care, honestly, I love a good debate! All in all, we are on the same page. You do make very solid points, and everyone thinking of the swap should read them. It is not often people bring up these points.

 

Only 12 cents? Where did you get that from? I need some links.

I will now go search for bad things about hybrids so I can feel better about my 12 MPG lol. If I find anything interesting ill be sure to post.

 

http://money.cnn.com/pf/features/lis...bal_gasprices/

Netherlands Amsterdam $6.48
Norway Oslo $6.27
Italy Milan $5.96
Denmark Copenhagen $5.93
Belgium Brussels $5.91
Sweden Stockholm $5.80
United Kingdom London $5.79
Germany Frankfurt $5.57
France Paris $5.54
Portugal Lisbon $5.35
Hungary Budapest $4.94
Luxembourg $4.82
Croatia Zagreb $4.81
Ireland Dublin $4.78
Switzerland Geneva $4.74
Spain Madrid $4.55
Japan Tokyo $4.24
Czech Republic Prague $4.19
Romania Bucharest $4.09
Andorra $4.08
Estonia Tallinn $3.62
Bulgaria Sofia $3.52
Brazil Brasilia $3.12
Cuba Havana $3.03
Taiwan Taipei $2.84
Lebanon Beirut $2.63
South Africa Johannesburg $2.62
Nicaragua Managua $2.61
Panama Panama City $2.19
Russia Moscow $2.10
Puerto Rico San Juan $1.74
Saudi Arabia Riyadh $0.91
Kuwait Kuwait City $0.78
Egypt Cairo $0.65
Nigeria Lagos $0.38
Venezuela Caracas $0.12

 

http://www.secondsupper.com/News/Art...?ArticleID=372

This is a very powerful article I have read about the damage from hybrids.

I had no clue the average battery for a hybrid lasts 80,000-100,000 miles, and a new battery costs $3000-7000! Damn.

Thanks again for opening my eyes on a new subject. Another reason why I love yotatech...


My god jsn you are right! Anyone up for a little trip to Venezeula?

 

im packing my bags and moving to Venezuela yippie i can now afford to drive my 89 f350 with a 460.

 

It makes you think how can they call it eco friendly. If this is the result of "goin green" we are in trouble. Car companies give you the truth, just the parts that sell.

 

I love how that article even mentions how much trouble/wasteful it is to ship the batteries to all those places lol.

 

If all this is true, then Hydrogen is our only hope, if not, I guess it's back to burnin whale oil.

 

I'm not going to spend the time to paste a bunch of links for something that is readly available. If you want to read a few things on side-affects of ethanol fuel you will see the "proof". If you don't want to read journals, just google "ethanol in fuel side-affects or ethonal in fuel clean system.

 

I read a journal awhile ago regarding the total use of energy through the life of a hummer vs. a prius. When you take into acount the process to build, drive and dispose of the hummer is better for the enviroment. I believe it was an university that did the research, I just can't remember which one.

 

Just think thats the "average battery", I remember when the the first Prius rolled out and had their battery issues, we had to replace a few here and there at a cost of around $5000, (This was warranty work of course)

Compare two cars side by side the Honda Civic and the Honda Civic Hybrid.
http://automobiles.honda.com/civic-hybrid/
http://automobiles.honda.com/civic-sedan/

The hybrid Civics cost 22,600 and the regular Civic costs 15,010.
The hybrid gets 45 MPG ( which is BS so do some of the new fords )
The regular Civic gets 36 MPG
A big 9MPG fuel difference between the two cars and a price tag difference of $7590. (and to think the govnerment is giving tax breaks to the people who buy these "green" cars. Shame on them.

So, 1 gallon of fuel in NC is $3.30 right now, if I purchase the regular Civic and pocket the $7590 difference between the cars I can purchase 2300 gallons of fuel. 2300 gallons of fuel at 36 MPG I can drive 82,800 miles. This is given that fuel prices remain constant and I drive on the interstate all day.
The average person puts 12000 to 15000 miles a year on a car. Lets average that for everyone at 13,500 miles. I can drive this regular Civic on that $7590 price tag difference for a little over six years. Most people, I am guessing here, would sell there vehicle at either 100,000 miles, between and 8 and 10 years of ownership or after the warranty expires.

The Hybrid has longer wait times for repairs, because only factory certified hybrid techs are allowed to work on these. These technicians are not exactly by the dozens in the dealerships. Alot of the technology is new and technicians will take longer to diagnose these hybrid related problems as they try to familiarize themselves with the technology. Parts availability I am not so sure about, so I can't comment on that. As for Hybrid batteries, just look at the cost of replacement if it failes outside of Hondas 5/60000 mile warranty. If I owned the Honda hybrid or Toyotas Prius I would get rid of it before the expiration of the warranty.

Now go buy some gas for your 5.7L Tundra...

 

Somebody out there is already bitchin about the Hydogen car I am sure. I am not that familiar with it yet. However I can hear it now, "Green Peace and Bob Dole now claim that the millions of gallons of water being produced by these cars emmisions are raising sea levels". I can hardly wait...