Hey there Im a offroad newb and I need some lift help. Im looking to do 4"suspension and 2" body ift on my 91 4runner. can anybody give me some good sites to where i could get these a reasonable price. Im a broke college student tryin to make this build. thx -4yoter

 

Ive never been a fan of a body lift more than 1". The idea of the laws of physics kickin in when in a accident scares me. If your doing a 4" suspension lift (dont do blocks in the rear), that should be enough for most meats unless your going larger than 35's. I have been throwing around the though of doing a 1" body lift just because I don't want to throw down a ton on IFS lift. I think that if you are going to lift a ifs yota you really should go SFA (solid fornt axle swap), but hten again you say you are a newb so this may be overkill for you. The only IFS lift I would do would be a total choas with a t100 rear. But then again I don't rock crawl, I stick to mostly fire roads and wannabe rocks. Theres lots of pros and cons with the SFA, harsher ride on road but dominant off road. IFS lift plush on road and still worthy offroad. Just my 2 cents.

Whatever you do do some research, I do know that some of the companies out there have poo poo springs that sag and arent worht a damn.

With all this said. If you do a 1" body lift and throw some 31's on there or even 33's, re-gear, lock your rear, get some good shocks there arent many places these truck can't go. You might want to focus on the mechnaics of what you have before oyu go and upgrade to somehting your truck can't handle. Start with the basics. Good lck with it and welcome to the forums. There are alot of very helpful people on here with a lot of knowlege. Use the search buttn when looking into your lift, you will find alot of good info there.

 

IFS lifts are expensive and pointless unless you can get one for a sweet deal. Are you gona 4x4 this truck or just rally pavement?

 

Why do you need/want so much lift? You can fit 33x10.5s on stock 15x6 or 15x7 wheels without any lift, but you will probably want to regear the differentials if you do that.

SFAs are not the end all solution to offroading. They have their pros and cons, as does IFS.

 

I know you are asking about a lift but if you are going to use it for offroad I would install a aussie locker in the rear differential. This will help alot more offroad than a lift and they cost less.

 

if you aint got much money... do what i did. 1.5inch balljoint spacers in the front(4crawler.com) 2inch add-a-leaf in the rear(4wheelparts.com topguncustomz.com) and a 2inch body lift(4crawler.com) and you can easliy fit 33x12.50s. this setup with shocks would run you about 350-400

 

I have springs all the way around. I was gona put 33's i mainly was gona do the body lift then raise the gas tank to gain clearance and same with the suspension lift. Sorry to stray from the origonal topic but as far as regearing wut would be a good way to go.

 

gearing: depending on manual or auto trans--manual 4.88 usually for 33's, 5.29's for 35's--if you have an auto 5.29's would be great w/33's

Edit: Welcome to YT and thanks for posting in the right section doesn't happen often

 

I've got a 1991 4runner with a 22re motor and a 5-speed transmission. I found a complete 4" trail master lift with either pro comp or rancho shocks I can get it all installed for 900 or i can install it myself witch wouldnt be a problem for 600 (maybe i can get it cheaper from him).

 

Mmmm, since you are an "offroad newb" I would suggest that the 1st thing you do, before you lift, is to learn to drive what you have offroad and add some armor.
Doing much of anything else can lead to a lot of wasted money when you start adding "stuff" that doesn't really work well for what you want.
Out here, in Southern Arizona, the bracket lifts suck if you end up really wheeling it and not just doing dirt roads and the such. Those lifts can't really stand up to the rocks that we have here. That goes for pretty much of any type of vehicle BTW, it's not just for Toyota's (talking about the bracket lifts).
Take a look at what those bracket lifts do. They lift up then drop the front diff back down. Kinda silly isn't it (yes I know why they drop the front diff back down). The thing that hangs down the most (diffs) the bracket lifts do nothing for.
You're kinda thinking right regarding the bodylift. If you want to get off to a good start, do a 2" body lift then, since you need armor anyway (assuming that you're going to actually wheel this thing around here), get a Bud Built skid and have him do one that pushes the xfer case/transmission up 2" higher. If you have a manual tranny you can probably push it up flush to the bottom of the frame rails. This gained clearance is huge offroad. Doesn't seem like much, however the difference it makes is a ton.
With this setup you can, easily, run 33's and you don't pooch up your on road ride quality (which springs and shocks and altered steering geometry can do).
After you go on a few runs, you can watch other vehicles and get an idea of what works and what doesn't work.
Frankly I've wheel some of the most extreme rock crawling trails in Southern Arizona with the Jeep and I can tell you, without a doubt, that the 4Runner (I own a '95 4Runner), setup the way that I described and locked front and rear (use manual hubs to save wear and tear on the CV's) will easily run all of the trails that we've run except the most extreme of them (and that's only a few trails).
That setup will do it easy, and with far less money than anything else (mod wise) and you won't break crap all the time (assuming that you know how to drive the thing off road in the rocks and don't have the right leg of a testosteroned 14 yo.).
As mentioned, you'll need armor, most important would be the under skid, rockers and possibly bumpers. We subscribe to the "lighter is better" train of thought so that means not use those big 'ole heavy ARB and similar types of bumpers. Weight (lack of) is hugely important in the type of wheeling that is available in and around Tucson and Southern Arizona.
More important than bumpers is the idler arm brace and a brace for the lower a-arm, ends.






So many people start by throwing a lift on their vehicle for no real reason than "everyone else" seems to. Remember, suspension lifts raise the COG which, around here, is not a good thing. BL's do also, but not near as much as a suspension lift. Options for an IFS suspension lift are few and to get any real amount of lift height you'll need to do some sort of longer arm lift and those are getting expensive and simply aren't needed for the vast majority of anything that you'll encounter around here.

To be money wise, simply ask yourself, before you do any mod, "what problem(s), specifically, am I trying to solve" and "will the mod that I'm thinking about solve the problem(s) and is there a better way".

As I've already mentioned, go out on some trails with some people and you'll see pretty quickly what doesn't work. You'll see vehicles with big 'ole tires, lifted way up in the air, that simply can't get through anything and then you'll see "smaller" vehicles, climb their way around some of these "big 'ole boys" simply because they set their vehicles up better.




Fred

 

To regear for 33s I would pull the differentials from a V6 truck that has 4.56 gears out of a junk yard for cheap or on craigs list. This should be cheaper than new gears.

 

Mmmm, something isn't correct. The '91's have torsion bars in the front (which, granted, are springs, but when most people here say springs they are referring to coil springs {which are torsion bars coiled up, or maybe torsion bars are springs straightened out } ). and coils in the rear.




Fred

 

Better yet, pull the diffs from a V6 4Runner with an auto tranny and the 31" tire option. Those (like mine ), have 4.88's



Fred

 

Hey everybody thanks for all your help so far it really is a big help

I've gone wheel quite a few times with my friend in his jeep and i have been able to keep up just fine

Do i need to email him and wut specs do i need to give. would i basically be asking for his ifs skid plate that raises the transfer case

as far as me saying earlier it had springs all around i didnt mean to say that your correct they are just coils in the rear.

another question is i have seen the quick disconnects for the front sway bars would this be a good mod if i wanted to get a bit more flex or are these usually a bad idea?

 

Where have you gone wheeling, what trail(s).


Yup, simply drop him an e-mail and tell him what you want, for instance you're thinking about a 2" bl and would like a skid that pushes the xfer case/tranny up 2". Check with Bud and see if maybe you can go completely flush with the bottom of the frame rails. I believe that you can with a 2" bl and a manual tranny. You can't quite get flush with an auto tranny. Also see, if you can go flush, if you'll need motor mount spacers since you would be pushing the xfer case/tranny up further than 2".


Those work fine and it's a very good idea to allow more flex in the front. You can also remove the front sway bar before you go wheeling. Some people (me included) never put it back on, however I can not recommend that. It's strictly a liability problem. Some will tell you it's ok if you're careful when you drive on road, however that doesn't take into account the idiot that changes lanes right in front of you, the kid that darts out in front of you, etc.

Let me know where you've wheeled around here.



Fred

 

Hey fred I have gone on a few trails out at redington pass the first time i went we went on the trail to cheva falls and we stopped at the chute. After that we just did random trails out there.

 

We don't run out around that neck of the woods too much any more. I haven't been out there in several years. We got tired of all the drunken idiots.
There are a couple of nice trails out that way. Chimney Rock is one of them.
We run a lot of the trails up around Florence and also some way down south in the Santa Rita and Patagonia Mountains. Several of us are going to do one of those southern runs probably next month when it cools off a little.

Florence has anything that anyone could want, from fairly easy to just plain 'ole fashion killers.




Fred

 

o thats cool if u guys are going to do it drop me a line I would be intrested