Hello everyone, I own a stock 91 4runner V6, 5spd, 4.11, 31/10.5 bfg at's. Are their any toy owners that have, had owned a pinzgauer. I know their like night and day. But how would you rate them(pinz) to a stock or modified Toy?
Mark

 

are you serious? You pretty much just asked how a semi-truck wheels compared to a toyota? A 4 wheel one might be somewhat as capable as a mog but i cant see a 6 wheeler doin anything. I dont think you can even start to compare one of those things to a yota

 

You have got be kidding me. The toyota in its unmodified form will never keep up with a stock 710 (4x4) or a stock 712(6x6). This is not just a matter of opinion it is fact.
I have many vids of my 710 and 712 on youtube. Do a search for swpapresident and check them out.
I fully respect the modifications that can be done to a toyota or any other truck for that matter but when you are talking stock there is no comparison. The 712 is not as big as some think. They are actually narrower than a stock CJ and roughly the same length as a minivan.
If you have any questions about the trucks feel free to contact me and if you would like to come out and see what they can do, I get out on a very regular basis. There are not many under 4.5 rated trails in central AZ which I have not done. I have never seen a stock toyota on any of the more difficult ones. The little FJ "modified" is another animal, very impressive.

 

Rate them in what regard?

Offroad? The pinz has the HUGE advantage of clearance due to portal axles, approach and departure angles, front/rear lockers, and lower gearing stock, but they don't flex well at all and don't have power to spare. You would have to spend a lot of money to modify a Toyota (especially a 2nd gen runner) to surpass a pinz, but a pinz would have a hard time keeping up with a SAS'd rig with minimal bodypanels and dual cases.

Onroad? The pinz doesn't stand a chance.

 

i'd still rather have a yota

 

Thank you for responding. Being my 4runner is stock I get to add/improve my ride without having to undo someone else's mods, buy starting on a clean slate. I enjoy and respect what brands of fabrications the community has done to their trucks and envious of those additions too. I drive my 91 toy daily, but can the pinz ever come close of being a daily driver? From what I've researched, pinz trucks/owners are more stock maintenance bound with a few personal touches of custom put in, and most of the pinz community are on an equal plane. Where as for the Toyota community it's skies the limit/suppliers/brands/engineering from lift kits, t-case gear ratios to rock sliders, etc. So for someone like me it can be daunting as choosing the best bang for buck product. So in the end investing into mods which most of you have done with great success, which of the two would be more reliable, capable, taking into account all the break nuckle-wrenching to get your rig down the road? (or should i just stop scratching my head and own both vehicles?)
Input much appreciated.
Mark

 

Mark
There are several people who use their Pinz as daily drivers. I for one have the luxury of not having to do that. I have both the 4x and the 6x and put an average of 30K miles a year on each of them. The pinz can be pricey to fix but then they don't break all that often. The Toyota's can be modified to no end. You also have modern luxuries with the toyota's. The pinz is a unique vehicle that only a few are qualified to own. It requires a person who can do without a few comforts, power steering and AC being two of the largest. There are few trucks on this planet that will draw as much attention as a Pinz. I own another one that is even more unique although not as capable offroad, a DAF YA 126. Basically if you like the looks of a lifted truck with outrageous tires the pinz is not for you. I go out with many modified trucks and can keep up and surpass those who do not have more invested in their trucks than I do. I know that any "normal" vehicle can be modified to spank the pinz offroad but then they are not road worthy like the pinz. I have been driving my pinz in some nasty enviroments for three years with no mechanical failures to date. Considering the terrain I play in that is pretty good. One of the best things about driving a pinz is that you get to test your driving skills against others and not your ability to modify a truck to compensate for your lack of driving skills. I can appreciate both sides and don't really care what 4x a person drives so long as they drive it some place else other than the grocery store. I have a 98 durango that is lifted and running 33 BFG MT's that gets more trail time than most 4x's, sad but true. If you are looking for a daily driver and want to be able to take it offroad occassionally then stay with the toyota. If you want a truely unique vehicle that will carry all your camping stuff to places less traveled then the pinz is a good choice. Very little has been mentioned about the volvo tgb1111 and it is an option for those who want unique and hard core rock crawling. While not a very attractive vehicle they do have solid portal axles and lockers all around. Here is one that is built up very well
http://www.volvoc303.com/Project1111..._front_ISO.JPG
So many toys so little time.