All right yotatechies I need some advice, I am about to purchase a 91-95 Toyota Pickup ext cab. I cant decide if the 22RE is powerful enough for the mountains and a little wheelin...

Now I know that the 3.0L is plently powerful but, as far as reliability I have ben told the 22RE is a bulletproof motor. where as the 3.0L I been told has problems with the head gaskets which can be expensive to repair.

Is it worth buying a 22RE and putting a little money into the motor for some extra power...?

I just need a nudge in the right direction, thanks for any help guys. Love YotaTech!!!

 

imo i would go with the 22re hands down!

it got the nickname 3.slow for a reason

 

Not this thread again!

And yes 22R-E for sure!

 

3.0 / 22RE

 

The 3.0 is a gutless dog... then again, i had an auto... as of last night a 5speed is in it. as off hopefully this night, it should be running.

but goes back to... 3.0 is a gutless dog....

 

i agree with Birdbrain.

although i ALSO want to say that the 22RE is even MORE of a gutless dog....just sayin.


well, i have a 22R in my '86..and it's not THAT bad...but it's pretty dang slow....i've heard people say that the 3.0 in the '88 pickups would blow the doors off of their old rigs with 22re's...lol

 

22RE was what 100 HP from the factory?

3VZE was 150 ... 50% is pretty damn significant.

The 22RE has it's share of headgasket issues too, somehow they get glossed over on the internet.

All that said, I wouldn't make the engine a deal breaker - you NEED a manual tranny. The auto transmissions are very poorly matched to these motors, and will make the engine work MUCH harder at altitude.

Personally, I would be looking for a turbo truck with a manual ...

 

i know my 3.0 auto has alot more power than my buddies 22r and 22re's. im actually surprised with my 3.0 it has plenty of power to pass people on the highway and pull up the small hills we have here in virginia. im also running heavy heavy swampers.lol but im only 17 and this is my 1st vehicle so i can only really compare it to all my friends trucks. the only complaint i have is gas milage but i wasnt expecting good gas mileage anyway

 

My 3.0 has been a very bulletproof engine. I have had the truck since mid 2002 and haven't had any major problems. I had a leaking water pump once and rebuilt my PS pump recently. Other than that just regular maintenance. Not bad for about 183K miles, 120K of which I put on it.

With the same truck, same tranny, the HP difference is significant between the two as tc said in a previous post. I pass many 22re powered trucks on the highway on ramps (I assume by the sound and lack of V6 badge).

Take a look around in the 86-95 tech section, there are plenty of 22re problem posts, including the head gasket. The 3.0 was known to have issues with the HG. You can call Toyota with the VIN and they can tell you if the 3vze you are looking at has had it replaced and when.

Also, the 3vze is a noninterference motor, which doesn't make it any better, but it gives a little peace of mind.

3VZE!

 

Wow that is excatly what I was needed a little insider input, hope to post my rig soon enough... thanks to everyone. be back soon!!

 

22re without thinking twice. 3.0Ls aren't super bad but if there are two identical trucks, one has a 22re and the other has a 3.0L i would grab the 22re truck in a heart beat. 3vze's are harder to work on, overheat easyer, bad on gas and have no power to show for it. 22re's have decent power for only a 2.4L, super reliable, never get hot, easy to work on. i put a header and glasspack, along with bigger size pipe after the muffler and it has the perfect amount of power to get around. i was pulling around about 1200lbs in my box the other day and i could still hit hwy speeds (100 km/h) and hills i just shift down and rev her and she holds pretty good

you could also buy a 3.0L v6 truck and swap in the much better 3.4L 5vz v6 that came after 1995 which is a common swap. 190hp stock and it is a much better engine.

but in the end i would still go 22re. if its running good and you take care of it i know you will like it

 

i think we're all missing the point here.

it doesn't matter what motor you have in your toyota...it all depends on how well it has been taken care of.

each motor has it's pros and cons.

get a 3vz, you get more power, but less mpg's
get a 22re, get less power, more mpg's

each motor has HeadGasket problems though..

 

112, ya newb

I think why the HG issue for the 22re is pretty much a non-denominator is because of how easy and cheaply you can replace the HG with these engines. I did mine for around $250 and have nearly 4.5K miles with no issues (yet). In fact AFAIK, the HG on the 22re is a regular maintenance part, as in when you replace the timing chain (etc) you replace the HG.

And to everyone else, the 22re really doesnt get THAT much better mpg. It depends on how you drive. I get anywhere between 10-25 mpg city and hwy depending on how I drive, how much a load I have, etc. The 3vze can take more load before it starts to affect mpg and power a lot, but put a few people and camping/hiking gear in my 22re 2nd gen 4runner, I pretty much have to drive at 3500+ rpm and get 15 mpg hwy....

 

31", 4.11 gears, 22re 2nd gen 4runner, get about 22 mpg on the freeway. but yes it depends ALOT on how you drive.

 

Exactly. I think the 3.0 has an unnecessary bad reputation, I sometimes wonder if the people talking bad about it have ever owned one. There are plenty of examples of a 3.0 giving long reliable service. Mine for example.

It is a good engine. You have to take care of any engine.

If it went only by everything I read on the internet and what I have seen happen to the 22re in friends vehicles I'd probably own neither.

 

I made this a while back:

 

I say 22re all the way. If you have the rite gears for the tiers you're running its all you need.

 

Never driven a 22re so i can't really judge it, but i do own the 3vze and its not SLOW, but it does its job fairly well i dont think its fair to place the 22re on a high pedastal and leave the 3vze at the bottom both engines have their pros and cons. 22re has gas milage, reliability and more aftermarket components. 3vze has more power, torque and the reliability of a 22re if properly maintained.

 

sweet guys much needed... jason191918 thanks for that chart.

 

i know you weren't only directing this at me but i have had two 3vze 4runners close to me and they where both crap. parents owned a 1990 3vze 5spd 4runner since new till a few years ago. guess why we dont have it anymore??? you guessed it because the engine started giving up at only 312 Km. about 100k before that it started overheating on my mom then it worped the heads and intake. crap. Now my buddy owns a 91 2door 4runner 3vze 5spd, at 350K km. still runs but overheats all the time. he stopped driving because of it. he would be just cruising down the road to work, truck under no major strain and it would get hot. he would always make sure the rad was full and do proper oil changes but it couldnt handle it.

now my 22re never gets hot and doesnt give up that easy. iv been on a 6 hour trip all up hill on the frazer canyon in the middle of the summer and it never got hot, kept pulling even though it was cooking outside. my buddy in his 4runner was going slower than me and he had to keep pulling over to let it cool down......... nuff said

oyah my truck is at 414k km's and counting