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Old Oct 25, 2009 | 01:28 PM
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Wait, that ISNT suppose to bend that way?

This is my Trail Gear rear bumper...


and no no my friends, those bolts are very tight...

Was climbing a sand hill at reiters on saturday, lost traction (rear locker is next...) and slid backwards (abs chattering the whole way) into a tree. busted my rear tail light (which in conjuction also made my turn signals blow a fuse lol)

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cut into the frame!



that shouldnt be twisting, right?





cant really judge the depth in the pictures, but here is a bit of the twisted bracket





This will be fun to fix... I kind of want to email trailgear with pics and be like... 'uh... sup yo?'

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Old Oct 25, 2009 | 01:29 PM
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On a bonus note,

my front bumper

did freakn great when i nose dived into a ditch and had to get winched out LOL

Badland bumpers, I HIGHLY recommend!
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Old Oct 25, 2009 | 01:37 PM
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aren't you supposed to weld the bumper on, too?
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Old Oct 25, 2009 | 01:38 PM
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Wow, talk about faulty engineering. Sucks man. But at least you get to build it better.
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Old Oct 25, 2009 | 01:39 PM
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Originally Posted by peow130
aren't you supposed to weld the bumper on, too?

I have never read that. nor would i have if i did... i mean... how the hell would i have gotten it off to assess damage if i had welded it on?
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Old Oct 25, 2009 | 01:39 PM
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Originally Posted by peow130
aren't you supposed to weld the bumper on, too?
What would be the point of the bolts? Hold it in place? Gah, should bolt on and stay on!!!
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Old Oct 25, 2009 | 01:41 PM
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so the brackets failed? or did the bolts move?
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Old Oct 25, 2009 | 01:43 PM
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so the brackets failed? or did the bolts move?
the brackets failed

The twisted and moved when the bumper hit the tree,

and they cut into my frame!

The bolts held fine, infact they where a pain in the arse to take off since i had them on there so good.
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Old Oct 25, 2009 | 01:56 PM
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well, if it was welded on, then the brackets wouldn't have twisted if ya ask me..

to remove it just take a 4.5" grinder with a cutoff wheel to chop the welds up lol...
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Old Oct 25, 2009 | 02:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Birdbrain
On a bonus note,

my front bumper

did freakn great when i nose dived into a ditch and had to get winched out LOL

Badland bumpers, I HIGHLY recommend!
I have a bumper from Badland and I love it!
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Old Oct 25, 2009 | 02:21 PM
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Plate steel sucks for a bumper. It is only strong one way and you found the wrong way. If I were the maker of that bumper, I would have used c-channel and that probably would have not happened. Also who welds a bumper on? I would not weld it on. Welded or not it still would have bent.

James
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Old Oct 25, 2009 | 02:23 PM
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well, if it was welded on, then the brackets wouldn't have twisted if ya ask me..

to remove it just take a 4.5" grinder with a cutoff wheel to chop the welds up lol...
This is incorrect in my opinion. I was there, and I know the welds youre talking about. You mean the small vertical welds along the end of the frame rail where the bumper meets it, correct? The ones Marlin recommends for theirs?

If so, I believe those welds in no way would help this scenario. The brackets bent SIDEWAYS first and then down at the end of the frame, in the same spot that weld would be. I suppose if it was welded, it may not have dropped and cut into the frame, but I assure you, it would still have twisted away and down. Its hard to assess the damage in the pictures, but when I saw it, I too thought about those welds.

I have hit the same spot the same way with my rear bumper (Marlin, which comes standard with 3/8" thick brackets and side supports), and had NO problems. In fact, its taken some MUCH harder impacts into rocks with no problems, he hit a rotting stump and a sand wall. Im not 100% sure, but from what I saw, I think the TG bumper may only be 1/4" thick brackets - He will have to confirm or deny. Quality of steel, such as the grade, plays into withstanding an impact a large amount too. They advertise 1035 DOM for the tube, but who knows what they use for the plate.

Also, my bumper isnt welded, and its even missing a bolt on one side. The amount of impact on that bumper was next to nothing in the grand scheme of things, he rolled/slid back about 2 feet into it from what I saw. The first words out of my mouth when it happened were "did that bumper just BEND!? What the hell..."

Sucks it happened man, but we will get it going again in no time.

~T.J.

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Old Oct 25, 2009 | 02:31 PM
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wow...that sucks...definitely know that im not getting trail-gear anything..lmfao..i've heard way too many bad things about numerous parts hahaha


on a side note..that badlands bumper is looking niiiiccccceee..thats the same one that im getting...if i buy one..if not..im gonna make one like it
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Old Oct 25, 2009 | 03:11 PM
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Originally Posted by 84Toyota4x4
This is incorrect in my opinion. I was there, and I know the welds youre talking about. You mean the small vertical welds along the end of the frame rail where the bumper meets it, correct? The ones Marlin recommends for theirs?

If so, I believe those welds in no way would help this scenario. The brackets bent SIDEWAYS first and then down at the end of the frame, in the same spot that weld would be. I suppose if it was welded, it may not have dropped and cut into the frame, but I assure you, it would still have twisted away and down. Its hard to assess the damage in the pictures, but when I saw it, I too thought about those welds.

I have hit the same spot the same way with my rear bumper (Marlin, which comes standard with 3/8" thick brackets and side supports), and had NO problems. In fact, its taken some MUCH harder impacts into rocks with no problems, he hit a rotting stump and a sand wall. Im not 100% sure, but from what I saw, I think the TG bumper may only be 1/4" thick brackets - He will have to confirm or deny. Quality of steel, such as the grade, plays into withstanding an impact a large amount too. They advertise 1035 DOM for the tube, but who knows what they use for the plate.

Also, my bumper isnt welded, and its even missing a bolt on one side. The amount of impact on that bumper was next to nothing in the grand scheme of things, he rolled/slid back about 2 feet into it from what I saw. The first words out of my mouth when it happened were "did that bumper just BEND!? What the hell..."

Sucks it happened man, but we will get it going again in no time.

~T.J.
see, from what i understood the truck slid on top of the log, caught the bumper and ripped it down..
not twisted it first..

in my opinion, a bumper thats welded on is like an extension of the frame
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Old Oct 25, 2009 | 03:21 PM
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Bummer dude.
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Old Oct 25, 2009 | 03:25 PM
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Originally Posted by 84Toyota4x4
Im not 100% sure, but from what I saw, I think the TG bumper may only be 1/4" thick brackets - He will have to confirm or deny.
~T.J.
Just went out and measured, it is 3/8'' thick.
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Old Oct 25, 2009 | 04:08 PM
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Looks like there is only one bolt on each side or am I seeing these pics wrong.
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Old Oct 25, 2009 | 04:10 PM
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Originally Posted by RMA
Looks like there is only one bolt on each side or am I seeing these pics wrong.

There are two bolts on each side. the furthest forward (towards the engine) bolt is out of the pictures.
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Old Oct 25, 2009 | 04:19 PM
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The point is two plates such as those used don't work.
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Old Oct 25, 2009 | 04:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Mic09dcsm
The point is two plates such as those used don't work.
agreed, now i have to go through that stuff, bend it back to shape, reinforce it, and stick it back on.
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