Total Chaos Long Travel Kit
09-03-2008, 04:42 PM
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Not sure of the setup of that kit, but on the IFS front ends, the lower shock mount is only part way out on the lower suspension arm, so the shock travel is only a certain percentage of the wheel travel. So if am 8" travel shock were mounted 2/3 of the way out on the lower arm then at the end of the arm, 12" of travel would still be possible. Might contact the mfg. and ask them what the shock travel to wheel travel ratio is.
Thanks for pointing out the obvious that went over my head.
10-09-2008, 02:04 PM
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Downey used to make up upgraded torsion sockets, but they don't anymore because everyone who is serious with race applications now uses Coilovers. Once and a whiel a set of these sockets will pop up somewhere.
If you romp hard enough, I have also heard of the torsion adjuster bolt snapping off and flying through the cab floor and smacking passengers/drivers in the bottom. It leaves quite a welt, I hear.
Please pass the coilovers, I say.
If you romp hard enough, I have also heard of the torsion adjuster bolt snapping off and flying through the cab floor and smacking passengers/drivers in the bottom. It leaves quite a welt, I hear.
Please pass the coilovers, I say.
The advantage of having the coilover is there is less to break. I have yet to have a single issue with my torsions, but I built up the weak links. I plated the adjusters for added strength and have the billet torsion sockets from www.sdtruckshop.com and have nothing to complain about so far.
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http://www.sdtruckshop.com/popups/to...arsockets.html
10-09-2008, 04:08 PM
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@sactoyota-
so a mild use truck, which arguably an IFS rock crawler would be since it's not encountering high-speed rock, would be fine with the Gen I kit and not require the mods for the Gen II Caddy?
so a mild use truck, which arguably an IFS rock crawler would be since it's not encountering high-speed rock, would be fine with the Gen I kit and not require the mods for the Gen II Caddy?
10-09-2008, 04:16 PM
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10-09-2008, 04:20 PM
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The Total Chaos Ball Joint Long Travel 2wd Kit (Toyota 84-95)
Parts Included:
Upper A-Arms W/ Bushings
Lower A-Arms W/ Bushings, Bump Stops & Shock Mounts
Strut Frame
Braided Stainless Brake Lines D.O.T. Approved
Chromoly Tie Rods w/ Jam Nuts
3/4 X 5/8 Chromoly Rod Ends
Urethane Bump Stops
Hardware
Weld-On Droop Stops
Parts NOT Included: (required for install)
Shocks
Torsions Bars
Upper Shock Mounts
Fiberglass Fenders
84-88 Model Trucks require a 2+" Body Lift to run 31X10.5 tires
Vehicle Specs:
Lift: 3+"
Wheel Travel: 11-12"
Sug. Tire Size: 31X10.5
10-09-2008, 04:29 PM
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how come you get lower a-arms with bump stops, but the upper a-arms don't come with bump stops?
Why does it say "84-88 Model Trucks require a 2+" Body Lift to run 31X10.5 tires" when I had 31x9 without any body lift (or suspension lift for that matter)?
and why, if there are parts required for installing the kit... why can't they supply them?
Why does it say "84-88 Model Trucks require a 2+" Body Lift to run 31X10.5 tires" when I had 31x9 without any body lift (or suspension lift for that matter)?
and why, if there are parts required for installing the kit... why can't they supply them?
10-09-2008, 04:35 PM
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Contact Info-
Mailing Address:
Total Chaos Fabrication
159 North Maple Street #J
Corona, CA 92880
ph: (951) 737-9682
fax: (951) 737-9006
email: info@chaosfab.com
Mailing Address:
Total Chaos Fabrication
159 North Maple Street #J
Corona, CA 92880
ph: (951) 737-9682
fax: (951) 737-9006
email: info@chaosfab.com
I agree though, they should sell an all inclusive kit and list prices.
10-09-2008, 04:42 PM
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The advantage of having the coilover is there is less to break. I have yet to have a single issue with my torsions, but I built up the weak links. I plated the adjusters for added strength and have the billet torsion sockets from www.sdtruckshop.com and have nothing to complain about so far.
See them here:
http://www.sdtruckshop.com/popups/to...arsockets.html
See them here:
http://www.sdtruckshop.com/popups/to...arsockets.html
Am I stupid or is that a wicked deal?
10-09-2008, 04:48 PM
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also, they may not supply the parts because
1. they dont produce those parts
2. if they did include the parts, the kit may be too expensive for the avg. buyer
3. maybe the parts that they dont include are not included for a reason... like personal preference... different shock hoops, different designs...
idk... just thinking...
10-09-2008, 05:12 PM
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I wanted to go long travel for a long time, but now I've decided to go with a SAS to make a tougher, all around vehicle.
The real deciding factor was that I think a good long travel setup is two to three times as expensive as an SAS.
The real deciding factor was that I think a good long travel setup is two to three times as expensive as an SAS.
10-09-2008, 05:17 PM
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well, IMO... a kit is a kit. It either comes with all the parts needed or doesn't.
If the parts have to be supplied from others (such as the BL kit they allude to), then it's not a kit, but only parts.
@space-junk: they state the long travel 'kit' supplies 3" of lift on their web site. If you have to buy parts from someone else to make their kit work, their kit supplies nothing more than parts.
If the parts have to be supplied from others (such as the BL kit they allude to), then it's not a kit, but only parts.
@space-junk: they state the long travel 'kit' supplies 3" of lift on their web site. If you have to buy parts from someone else to make their kit work, their kit supplies nothing more than parts.
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10-09-2008, 05:21 PM
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as for the kit being "too expensive for the average buyer", how is selling some parts one would need for the lift along with also requiring one to buy parts from someone else... how is that going to end up any less expensive "for the average buyer"?
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10-09-2008, 05:25 PM
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that is like procomp, fabtech, OME or rancho saying they'll sell you a complete 5" lift kit for a truck... but you'll also have to buy 1" ball joint spacers and 4" lift springs and 2" spacers from someone else in order to make that 5" lift.
It's not a complete kit without those parts, so don't sell it as a complete kit without the parts.
It's not a complete kit without those parts, so don't sell it as a complete kit without the parts.
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10-09-2008, 06:07 PM
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that is like procomp, fabtech, OME or rancho saying they'll sell you a complete 5" lift kit for a truck... but you'll also have to buy 1" ball joint spacers and 4" lift springs and 2" spacers from someone else in order to make that 5" lift.
It's not a complete kit without those parts, so don't sell it as a complete kit without the parts.
It's not a complete kit without those parts, so don't sell it as a complete kit without the parts.
These kits are not sold as "please everyone" kits because they're meant to be tuned to varying applications. It isn't just some body lift for show to clear bigger tires.
10-09-2008, 06:19 PM
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In the case of the TC kits I think it's more to do with customization. The shock hoops are available from them but they would give you limited travel compared to what a race truck may opt to use. Same goes for the add-ons of lower uniballs etc. As for the fibreglass fenders, perhaps the truck already has them or is choosing from the various manufacturers out there.
These kits are not sold as "please everyone" kits because they're meant to be tuned to varying applications. It isn't just some body lift for show to clear bigger tires.
These kits are not sold as "please everyone" kits because they're meant to be tuned to varying applications. It isn't just some body lift for show to clear bigger tires.
10-12-2008, 01:06 AM
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Prices:
http://www.socalsupertrucks.com/cate...1994&drive=4WD
Not everyone wants to buy the same thing, people have their biases towards companies, so pick the shocks you want and the style of fiberglass.
If you don't like a body lift on your 84-88 2WD truck then cut out the wheel wells.
http://www.socalsupertrucks.com/cate...1994&drive=4WD
Not everyone wants to buy the same thing, people have their biases towards companies, so pick the shocks you want and the style of fiberglass.
If you don't like a body lift on your 84-88 2WD truck then cut out the wheel wells.
10-17-2008, 03:51 PM
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Lift: 4"+
Wheel Travel: 12" w/ 4WD - 13" w/o
Sug. Tire Size: 33X10.5 - Just beat the pinch weld over to make sure you clear the tires.
A description of the kit and all the information you need is at http://www.chaosfab.com/95000BJ.html or you can give them a call and they can talk to you about it: (951) 737-9682
how come you get lower a-arms with bump stops, but the upper a-arms don't come with bump stops?
Why does it say "84-88 Model Trucks require a 2+" Body Lift to run 31X10.5 tires" when I had 31x9 without any body lift (or suspension lift for that matter)?
and why, if there are parts required for installing the kit... why can't they supply them?
Why does it say "84-88 Model Trucks require a 2+" Body Lift to run 31X10.5 tires" when I had 31x9 without any body lift (or suspension lift for that matter)?
and why, if there are parts required for installing the kit... why can't they supply them?
The parts required that aren't supplied
Shocks - HIGH variance in preferences and already mass produced
Torsion Bars - Already mass produced
Upper Shock Mounts - Build your own or buy the ones Chaos supplies practically "at cost".....
4WD T-100 axles to retain 4WD - Built by Toyota
Fiberglass Fenders - Already mass produced
well, IMO... a kit is a kit. It either comes with all the parts needed or doesn't.
If the parts have to be supplied from others (such as the BL kit they allude to), then it's not a kit, but only parts.
@space-junk: they state the long travel 'kit' supplies 3" of lift on their web site. If you have to buy parts from someone else to make their kit work, their kit supplies nothing more than parts.
If the parts have to be supplied from others (such as the BL kit they allude to), then it's not a kit, but only parts.
@space-junk: they state the long travel 'kit' supplies 3" of lift on their web site. If you have to buy parts from someone else to make their kit work, their kit supplies nothing more than parts.
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10-17-2008, 05:06 PM
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well, point taken and I guess I've been spanked... albeit not properly. 
still really doesn't address the point of why if they call it a kit, it requires you to buy something from someone else to make it work.
how pissed off would people be if they bought an onboard air kit and the compressor was sold by someone else?
yeah, I'm the devil's advocate.
still really doesn't address the point of why if they call it a kit, it requires you to buy something from someone else to make it work.
how pissed off would people be if they bought an onboard air kit and the compressor was sold by someone else?
yeah, I'm the devil's advocate.
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10-17-2008, 05:56 PM
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You're wrong. I don't know about anyone else, but what I was posting was the info so abe here can buy a LT "kit" so his wife's 2wd p/u can fly.
When you call something a kit, it damn well better be a kit. Otherwise, label it as it is: Total Chaos - Bad Ass Truck Jumping Dune Flying Drop Your Jaw Spindles and Long Control Arms.
You don't call a foundation company a home builder because they built the house, even though their work was what you used to built your house on.
If they want to call it a kit, they should include everything else like other companies do. When I bought my SAS kit from Trail-Gear, I didn't have to buy the "kit" where they only provided the springs, then I had to buy the steering arms and the shocks and then shackles and the perches and the spring mounts and steering box mount and everything else. It contained everything I needed to do the SAS in the kit, with options to upgrade this or that.
You don't call a foundation company a home builder because they built the house, even though their work was what you used to built your house on.
If they want to call it a kit, they should include everything else like other companies do. When I bought my SAS kit from Trail-Gear, I didn't have to buy the "kit" where they only provided the springs, then I had to buy the steering arms and the shocks and then shackles and the perches and the spring mounts and steering box mount and everything else. It contained everything I needed to do the SAS in the kit, with options to upgrade this or that.
