AH64ID

I know I need to replace the chain since I have 160K, and for all I know its still stock. For no other reason than I will probally get a bit of performance back from an unstreached chain.

I have been trying to talk myself out of it since if I pay to have it done its 1600 or so, and if I do it myself there goes my weekend, and I already have a clutch, and exhaust to install in may before I go on my annual Manashtash wheeling trip.

Here is my question, what is the reccommended replacment interval by Toyota, anyone know?

Also what chain to use? I used the LC single chain last time I did one, on my 95. But this engine is closer to dead than new and dont really think I need to spend that much $$ on it, but I could be wrong. I have 160K and blow oil on startup, about half the time, which I know could mean nothing but.... I also have a chatter/rattle at idle that developed last summer. I thinks its the throwout bearing, but it very well could be the timing chain talking thru the crankshaft.

What is reccommended?

bustah49

http://www.engnbldr.com/ToyotaHotLicks.htm

would highly recommend em. just bought an entire rebuild kit off of them.

AH64ID

Do you know who makes that kit?

There has to be a reason, other than discount, that its 1/3 the cost of a LC kit.

I dont think I need the best, but at least OEM quality is a must.

PirateFins

don't ask just do. You will thank us later.

PS look on ebay for one of his specials, I got mine for $20 less than the web price from ebay.

Elton

ya cant go with engnbldr im getting there timeing chain kit..but im going with doa for the guides

AH64ID

Is that so you get two steel guides?

Glenn

Yeah, that is right. Engnbldr doesn't think you need steel guides for both sides. He says he has never seen one of the sides fail, can't recall which one.

AH64ID

I just got an email from him. He says there isnt one needed on the pass side since there is no water jacket to protect there.

Its amaizing the price spread of kits.

OEM full kit is a bit over 100
engnblder is 64
DOA is 275
LC is 170

Hard to decide what to do, I guess in any of them you can get a bad chain..

I doubt I am looking at going another 160K on a chain, so I wouldnt think I need a $$ one, but even OEM ones have failed at 80K. I'll most likly do the LC again...I know its a good kit.

Elton

hmm maybe i wont get the steel rails i thought it would be better than the plastic ones cuz you have to do all that work just to change the timeing chain and if one of the guides broke later on you would have to take it all apart agian

AH64ID

The steel guides are far better from what I have heard. Its such an ordeal to do a timing chain that I dont think I am going to mess around, i will probally get the LC kit, it as steel guides also.


Luckily I was planning to change coolant in May also.

Elton

umm wouldint be cheaper to order a engnbldr timeing chain kit with out guides and just order the steel guides from lce or doa ??

JML

I'd like to know that too. I have 199K on the same setup with much more stock setup. The previous owner said there was a bunch of stuff done at 160K including head gasket and such. But he didn't know about the chain (the truck was given to him when owner went to war).

As far as I can tell, it doesn't rattle or anything. Am I on borrowed time? Is it normal to have lasted this long if it's original or would it have been replaced?

AH64ID

I called toyota and they said there is no scheduled replacment, just as needed. I just dont was as needed to be on the trail. He said usually it starts slapping before something breaks.

AH64ID

Yes, but I beleive that LCE and DOA use a higer quality chain and sprocket. Just what you want to buy.

Elton

it is very bad to have timeing chain break if it dont slap or rattle when its cold then its fine

JML

so it wouldn't be surprising that mine has lasted 200,000 miles?

I'm entertaining the idea of trying to replace it myself. I've never done anything that fun yet, though. What should I expect to pay if I chicken out?

I know there's a lot of wrenchers around me in CO and I'm not opposed to paying a buddy to do it if I can watch/help. any takers?

AH64ID

$1600 if you pay a dealership...

My first real engine work was a timing chain on my 95.....wasnt that bad...

Elton

wow $1600 ahh gotta love the dealership im putting in a new timeing chain kit in it should be pretty easy as i have my motor out of the truck

AH64ID

yeah thats one way to do it. There isnt anything difficult about it, just a lot of work. 1400 of the 1600 is labor, since the head has to come off.

I am going to wait to buy any parts until I get my new clutch in since the block/head shop mechanic said my noise was my throw-out bearing. And since he drives a 22RE as well, I am going to assume he knows what a bad timing chain sounds like. I also have an e-mail into my father-in-law to see if they ever had it done, they owned it from 80-150K, my fingers are crossed.

I know they put about 3 clutches in it during that time, cheap clutch and 4hi wheeling = no clutch life. Never figured out why my bro-in-law never would use 4lo...personally i only use 4hi on snow coverd hardball, other wise its all about gearing.

kyle_22r

these things will break the guides and rattle against the cover for a LONG time before you'll run into major trouble.

most of the time the chain busts the driver's side guide, the passenger one is usually left intact. i don't have any worries about EB's kit, i think it's gonna outlive the rest of my engine since it's already got nearly 200k on it.