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Old May 11, 2018 | 04:03 PM
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Stumped: Pinion Seal, Rear Diff

I am attempting to replace a leaking seal where the rear driveshaft enters the rear differential. I cannot figure out how to remove the pictured companion flange which houses the pinion seal. Is there a special tool required... or can I fabricate a tool to remove this flange??
Any sage advice much appreciated! It's driving me nuts.
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Old May 11, 2018 | 04:08 PM
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That is not a flange.The housing is one piece and the seal is just pressed in.
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Old May 11, 2018 | 04:09 PM
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How would I go about removing it to access the seal? Is it threaded?
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Old May 11, 2018 | 04:31 PM
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Your looking at the seal !!

just pry it out put another one in.

Making sure the pinon is not scored
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Old May 11, 2018 | 04:33 PM
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Excellent, how do I remove it? Seems to be frozen in place.

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Old May 11, 2018 | 04:41 PM
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They make a Tool to remove them .

Anything to just get behind it and pry it out

Being careful not to scratch or nick the pinon

Remember to put oil on the seal bearing surface before installing the flange
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Old May 11, 2018 | 04:43 PM
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Ok.... I'll start researching the special tool. Was hoping I could improvise.
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Old May 11, 2018 | 05:01 PM
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Originally Posted by High Alt Gold Miner
Ok.... I'll start researching the special tool. Was hoping I could improvise.
Ya can.

Put a big, long screwdriver in there any pry it out.
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Old May 11, 2018 | 05:07 PM
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Thanks millball, I'll do everything I can without going too caveman on it. I watched a youtube vid of someone who drilled two holes in it and worked it out with pliers.
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Old May 11, 2018 | 05:14 PM
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The old seal is junk, you can mutilate it to your hearts content.
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Old May 11, 2018 | 05:18 PM
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I was afraid that the part I pictured was a "housing" for the seal, didn't wan to damage it. If that is indeed the entire seal, I'll rip it out without worry of wrecking it then.
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Old May 12, 2018 | 12:13 AM
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I have been changing them so long I just use what ever is close at hand to pop them out

Then some people are the type that everything needs to only use the correct tool .
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Old May 12, 2018 | 06:12 AM
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From your comments I am gathering that you don't have the new seal yet, otherwise you wouldn't be asking. I prefer to have the new seal to match up before I destroy the old one, at least get the number off of it (might need a magnifying glass).
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Old May 12, 2018 | 06:39 AM
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I do have a new seal, just not sure if they gave me the correct seal (National brand, #1177). I'll know once I extract the old one. I have another vehicle and the parts store isn't too far away so it's not a huge issue either way.
I'll be back under it in about 1/2 hr.
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Old May 12, 2018 | 04:11 PM
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Originally Posted by millball
Ya can.

Put a big, long screwdriver in there any pry it out.
Do not use a harbor freight screwdriver. Unless you like holes in the chin after using screw driver as a prying device. . They actually make a generic seal puller that will work....but again do not use harbor freight.

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Old May 14, 2018 | 02:20 PM
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LOL... don't worry, I didn't use a HF screwdriver.
Just a quick follow-up to this thread since others may find it in the archives later.
I used a common seal-removal tool that was here in the shop and the seal came out in seconds without scoring the spline. I greased the new seal, installed it, refilled the diff, and have driven for a couple of hundred miles. Leak free and smooth as silk!
Thanks for the excellent advice here, very much appreciated. I have a tendency to overthink things sometimes.




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Old May 14, 2018 | 04:11 PM
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For some further info...

Spent 6 months with this problem at one time. Took it apart about 6 times. Figured out the science eventually. To start the breather system needs to be clean. It will clogg up in the baffle, and even though the breather seems free, oil will blow out the seal. Every 10 years or so the axle needs a full clean out. Then there is the flange. Grooves are no good. I got a new one from low range off road. Works good. And finally the seal itself. Toyota brand only for this. Aftermarket ones seem fine but for me, always started leaking after 2-3 weeks. Finally after cleaning out the axle, replacing the flange with new, and installing a new Toyota brand seal my leak problems stopped. Been great the past 2 yrs.
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Old May 14, 2018 | 04:15 PM
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Thank you, I will definitely keep an eye on it and report back if I have any problems. So far, so good.
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