Smoking 22re, Good compression test results any thoughts?
Dec 17, 2010 | 08:11 PM
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Would having the older style head, and dished pistons have anything to do with lower compression? Like I said I'm not 100 percent sure, but my instincts tell me that the head with the larger cylinder cutouts is what is on my truck. I wonder if this whole mess is a compound of a bunch of issues.
Dec 17, 2010 | 08:17 PM
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It seems that maybe another owner down the line could have done an engine swap for an older 22re, and when the guy I bought it off of had it rebuilt they could have put in the pistons for the newer 22re? The ones in mine are without a doubt the ones in the top pic, and those being paired with an older head could create issues I would imagine.
Dec 17, 2010 | 08:17 PM
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the above photo is of the pre and post 85 pistons.
here is a difference between the pre and post style head:
old style head
new style head
Dec 17, 2010 | 08:19 PM
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It seems that maybe another owner down the line could have done an engine swap for an older 22re, and when the guy I bought it off of had it rebuilt they could have put in the pistons for the newer 22re? The ones in mine are without a doubt the ones in the top pic, and those being paired with an older head could create issues I would imagine.
But I am not 100% sure if the old style head would bolt onto the new style or not. My gut says yes though.
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Dec 17, 2010 | 08:23 PM
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Do you there any distinguishable marks on the exterior of the head and block that would tell me what I have?
Dec 17, 2010 | 08:24 PM
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the shape of the exhaust ports. and looks to be some extra bolt hols as well. And to me it kinda looks like the head around the spark plug holes are rounded on the 85-95 and squared off on the 81-84. see below photo.
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Dec 17, 2010 | 08:41 PM
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Dec 17, 2010 | 08:55 PM
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Dec 17, 2010 | 09:04 PM
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http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/81-95...Q5fAccessories
I don't see anywhere in this add that differentiates between years. Don't see how as several other components are different.
I don't see anywhere in this add that differentiates between years. Don't see how as several other components are different.
Dec 17, 2010 | 09:33 PM
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If you did not have the throttle open all the way( you said it was closed) the test wont be accurate. It will be lower cold also. If your battery is low (engine turning over slow) that will give lower results too.
You can have good compression and still be burning oil from your oil rings not seating and, or worn valve guide seals.
If it puffs blue smoke on start up and at high vacuum( decelerating) its your valve guide seals, if its smoking all the time its your rings or a combo. Thats a rough rule of thumb( its usually preety accurate).
You said the cylinders looked smooth.
You can burn alot of oil through worn valve guide seals alone.
You can have good compression and still be burning oil from your oil rings not seating and, or worn valve guide seals.
If it puffs blue smoke on start up and at high vacuum( decelerating) its your valve guide seals, if its smoking all the time its your rings or a combo. Thats a rough rule of thumb( its usually preety accurate).
You said the cylinders looked smooth.
You can burn alot of oil through worn valve guide seals alone.
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Dec 18, 2010 | 05:03 AM
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http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/81-95...Q5fAccessories
I don't see anywhere in this add that differentiates between years. Don't see how as several other components are different.
I don't see anywhere in this add that differentiates between years. Don't see how as several other components are different.
here is the link to the actual "kit" he is selling. it is in fact different ones. Just look like the ebay guy doesn't know what the hell he is doing.
http://www.enginetechcatalog.com/Eng...20Bore%2081-95
Forged vs cast won't affect the compression ratio. You can put forged pistons into a 22r/22re engine.
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Dec 18, 2010 | 06:35 AM
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I may be confused, which isn't uncommon. http://www.toysport.com/Technical%20...tech_notes.htm the way this article states dish out for the 22tre had me thinking that there is a difference. Yep, i was assuming.
Dec 18, 2010 | 09:00 AM
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Wow what an interesting thread this has become, I have to go do some Xmas shopping today, but tomorrow, I'm going to redo the compression test, and inspect that head, hopefully that will make some sense of all of this, or just confuse things further for me. Thanks for all of the feedback here, this is turning out to be quite informant for me. I plan on following up on this thread, so when I end up repairing this 22re, Ill do a write up and get some pics unless I end up just throwing in a new 22re.
Dec 20, 2010 | 08:24 AM
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http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/81-95...Q5fAccessories
I don't see anywhere in this add that differentiates between years. Don't see how as several other components are different.
I don't see anywhere in this add that differentiates between years. Don't see how as several other components are different.
In the description it says
“Please state your engine year and which sizes you need for your Pistons, Rings, Rod and Main Bearings in the Paypal note box when making payment. Engine kits can not be shipped without this information.”
Once we have the information we supply you with the correct kit.
If you have any other questions, please feel free to call toll free Monday-Friday 8am-5pm EST @ 1-800-422-6022 or local @ 1-973-684-1500. You can also email me brianb@promarengine.com
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Brian Baskerville
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-----Original Message-----
From: xxxxxxx [mailto:xxxxxxx]
Sent: Saturday, December 18, 2010 9:04 AM
To: brianb@promarengine.com
Subject: your toyota 81-95 22r/22re Master Rebuild Kit Premium kit
I was wondering if this ad is a misprint or if you ask for the year of
our truck when ordering. thanks.
“Please state your engine year and which sizes you need for your Pistons, Rings, Rod and Main Bearings in the Paypal note box when making payment. Engine kits can not be shipped without this information.”
Once we have the information we supply you with the correct kit.
If you have any other questions, please feel free to call toll free Monday-Friday 8am-5pm EST @ 1-800-422-6022 or local @ 1-973-684-1500. You can also email me brianb@promarengine.com
Thanks
Brian Baskerville
Promar Engine
-----Original Message-----
From: xxxxxxx [mailto:xxxxxxx]
Sent: Saturday, December 18, 2010 9:04 AM
To: brianb@promarengine.com
Subject: your toyota 81-95 22r/22re Master Rebuild Kit Premium kit
I was wondering if this ad is a misprint or if you ask for the year of
our truck when ordering. thanks.
Promar Engine is not an auto parts store we are a complete engine remanufacturing company. We only use high quality components in our engines and sell the same high quality components at a great price. Also shipping is FREE in the United States by UPS Ground with the exception of Alaska and Hawaii. We have close to 20 warehouses across the United States which means customers usually receive their engine kit the next business day no matter where they are located. Please state your engine year and which sizes you need for your Pistons, Rings, Rod and Main Bearings in the Paypal note box when making payment. Engine kits can not be shipped without this information. Same day shipping is available for order place before 12pm EST. Monday thru Friday. Weekend orders will ship out on Monday. If you do not see what you are looking for please contact us more than likely we have it. .
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