Rcv cv axles
12-20-2010, 07:04 PM
#21
Whether or not you buy something is up to the individual, of course.
HOWEVER, lets be clear on a few things. The 7.5" diff is weak in its stock form. Been proven time and time again. However, an upgraded 7.5, say, with an ARB, is very strong. I have yet to see someone with an ARB in their front, early IFS diff, with a catestrophic failure of the gears. I'm sure there is one out there, I just haven't seen it.
HOWEVER, lets be clear on a few things. The 7.5" diff is weak in its stock form. Been proven time and time again. However, an upgraded 7.5, say, with an ARB, is very strong. I have yet to see someone with an ARB in their front, early IFS diff, with a catestrophic failure of the gears. I'm sure there is one out there, I just haven't seen it.
As demand picks up, these axles could go from a one off, make-em-as-the-orders-come-in deal, to a more streamlined, buy in bulk, etc... type of operation, which will bring costs down. Probably not as low as long fields, due to the extra joint, but better than they are now.
IFS handles much better at speed, and, for most wheelers, the ability to blast down fire roads, rock crawl a little here and there, and maintain fantastic road manners, an LT IFS set up is far more attractive than a SAS. The cost is not there yet, but it could be, if people stop whining about the cost of innovative new products.
If the product is not for you, then fine, don't buy it. Don't put up threads bashing a product you know nothing about.
Lastly, if you want to rock crawl solely, and have the coin, then SAS, run 60's and put in chromo stuff. Do the same if you don't rock crawl, but drive like a butt head. If you just wheel regularly, and actually have some talent behind the wheel, both a SAS or IFS can be viable options. Companies pushing the envelope in an ignored market should not be bashed.
This thread should be deleted.
IFS handles much better at speed, and, for most wheelers, the ability to blast down fire roads, rock crawl a little here and there, and maintain fantastic road manners, an LT IFS set up is far more attractive than a SAS. The cost is not there yet, but it could be, if people stop whining about the cost of innovative new products.
If the product is not for you, then fine, don't buy it. Don't put up threads bashing a product you know nothing about.
Lastly, if you want to rock crawl solely, and have the coin, then SAS, run 60's and put in chromo stuff. Do the same if you don't rock crawl, but drive like a butt head. If you just wheel regularly, and actually have some talent behind the wheel, both a SAS or IFS can be viable options. Companies pushing the envelope in an ignored market should not be bashed.
This thread should be deleted.
12-20-2010, 07:43 PM
#22
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These things remind me of something.
How's 500HP to an independent axle sound to you? Like an LS3 !!! Yes it's a car, but even still:
Check this out: http://www.corner-carvers.com/forums...525#post866525
How's 500HP to an independent axle sound to you? Like an LS3 !!! Yes it's a car, but even still:
Check this out: http://www.corner-carvers.com/forums...525#post866525
12-20-2010, 07:51 PM
#23
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These things remind me of something.
How's 500HP to an independent axle sound to you? Like an LS3 !!! Yes it's a car, but even still:
Check this out: http://www.corner-carvers.com/forums...525#post866525
How's 500HP to an independent axle sound to you? Like an LS3 !!! Yes it's a car, but even still:
Check this out: http://www.corner-carvers.com/forums...525#post866525
awesome, but ridiculous
I'm not a Beemer fan, but I'd drive the wheels off that car
12-20-2010, 07:57 PM
#24
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catch the reruns if you can. not much on the net about it. And that is pretty much an OEM Z3 rear end in that, only slightly beefed up gears. Not sure if it's stock axles or not though. I can't remember.
But when I saw that episode and being I have a BMW, I thought, hmm, I need one of these diff's retrofitted to the front end of my truck. Hell, put one in the rear too.
But when I saw that episode and being I have a BMW, I thought, hmm, I need one of these diff's retrofitted to the front end of my truck. Hell, put one in the rear too.
Last edited by xxxtreme22r; 12-20-2010 at 08:00 PM.
12-20-2010, 08:00 PM
#25
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Your kidding right?, for that price you can do a solid axle swap and still have a lot of money left over. and for your information a properly installed solid front axle will handle just as well if not better than IFS set up.
12-20-2010, 08:03 PM
#26
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Considering a SAS is far from stock, then no. Stock to stock, the IFS is a better system than the pre 86 SA's.
A set up LT kit, which is the equivilent of a SAS (not price wise, but deviation of stock components) will handle FAR better than any leaf spring SAS.
Last edited by AxleIke; 12-20-2010 at 08:06 PM.
12-20-2010, 08:07 PM
#27
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Yes Rock Racers use SAS, but they aren't doing 100+ in desert terrain. And IIRC they are usually on coils and not Leafs.
12-20-2010, 09:21 PM
#28
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Hence the reason this new RCV product is so cool.
Ultra 4/KOH races are pushing the envelope for new, hybrid suspension designs.
The ability to handle at speed, run big tires, and hold up to full throttle, 4wd, locked up power on big rocks is a new concept.
Tech Tim (Tim Lund) up at Wild West Fab is working on a tube chassis, Ultra 4 racer with similar restrictions to Formula Toy racers, as a thought/Fab experiement, to see the viability of a toyota, IFS drive train capable of handling a racing environment. Should we be pissed that this will cost money and won't be achievable with a stock truck and 100 dollars worth of time and parts?
No.
I'm not arguing this is a solution for most of us. We have budgets, family, and other expenses. These axles are out of my price range as well. Just life.
However, you don't see me bitching that CTM junk for domestic axles costs an arm and a leg, or the price of gears and a locker for said axle is expensive just because I don't run trails difficult enough to warrant that money.
The point is, quality costs money. If you want a POS, autozone built truck, fine. Don't bash stuff just because its expensive, and you can't build a $100k truck for 50 flipping bucks.
There is nothing wrong with being cheap, and being unable to afford a part. I know how that goes, and I'm there all the damn time. I constantly bemoan the fact that I haven't won the lottery yet. But, I can't stand "this is overpriced because I can't afford it and because its not available to everyday Jim Bob, I'm pissed, so I'll bash the vendor" types of comments.
Innovative projects and products should be encouraged. Its the way our sport grows. Accusing a vendor of price gouging with no facts, no idea of how these things work, or any general knowledge of the product is just plain assinine.
Again, Mods, shut this stupd thread down. There is plenty of useful info on the web about these axles. This thread serves as a colossal waste of server space.
And yes, this is the internet. My opinion is just as worthless as the next guy's. I'm comfortable with that.
Ultra 4/KOH races are pushing the envelope for new, hybrid suspension designs.
The ability to handle at speed, run big tires, and hold up to full throttle, 4wd, locked up power on big rocks is a new concept.
Tech Tim (Tim Lund) up at Wild West Fab is working on a tube chassis, Ultra 4 racer with similar restrictions to Formula Toy racers, as a thought/Fab experiement, to see the viability of a toyota, IFS drive train capable of handling a racing environment. Should we be pissed that this will cost money and won't be achievable with a stock truck and 100 dollars worth of time and parts?
No.
I'm not arguing this is a solution for most of us. We have budgets, family, and other expenses. These axles are out of my price range as well. Just life.
However, you don't see me bitching that CTM junk for domestic axles costs an arm and a leg, or the price of gears and a locker for said axle is expensive just because I don't run trails difficult enough to warrant that money.
The point is, quality costs money. If you want a POS, autozone built truck, fine. Don't bash stuff just because its expensive, and you can't build a $100k truck for 50 flipping bucks.
There is nothing wrong with being cheap, and being unable to afford a part. I know how that goes, and I'm there all the damn time. I constantly bemoan the fact that I haven't won the lottery yet. But, I can't stand "this is overpriced because I can't afford it and because its not available to everyday Jim Bob, I'm pissed, so I'll bash the vendor" types of comments.
Innovative projects and products should be encouraged. Its the way our sport grows. Accusing a vendor of price gouging with no facts, no idea of how these things work, or any general knowledge of the product is just plain assinine.
Again, Mods, shut this stupd thread down. There is plenty of useful info on the web about these axles. This thread serves as a colossal waste of server space.
And yes, this is the internet. My opinion is just as worthless as the next guy's. I'm comfortable with that.
12-20-2010, 09:46 PM
#29
Not shutting the thread down, as again there are useful comments and so far no one is fighting. This is a discussion board, so lets discuss. The people who call these axles out as "stupid" without really thinking it through will be seen for the sheeple they are.
Its only a waste of server space if the opposing party doesn't agree with your opinion
Its only a waste of server space if the opposing party doesn't agree with your opinion
12-21-2010, 07:20 AM
#32
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Perhaps I need to take a closer look at myself. LOLA very good argument. And perfectly valid.
12-21-2010, 08:02 AM
#33
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A good freind of mine had a set of these axles in his 06 2.7L reg cab 4x4 with 4" of lift 4.56 gears and an ABR locker, he ran 255/85-16's (33 -10.5). The axles where nothing short of awesome. He never broke a single part of his front diff or had any problems with the axles. He did NOT baby anything!
I know it is against the grain, but I agree with Ike about IFS. It gets such a bad wrap from all of the "must have solid axle" folks, but hasn't let me down. I know if doesn't flex as much as an SA, but it is still dependable and tough. I wheel my 4runner, and want to keep it as low as possible.....I say kiss my IFS!
I know it is against the grain, but I agree with Ike about IFS. It gets such a bad wrap from all of the "must have solid axle" folks, but hasn't let me down. I know if doesn't flex as much as an SA, but it is still dependable and tough. I wheel my 4runner, and want to keep it as low as possible.....I say kiss my IFS!
12-21-2010, 10:22 AM
#34
A good freind of mine had a set of these axles in his 06 2.7L reg cab 4x4 with 4" of lift 4.56 gears and an ABR locker, he ran 255/85-16's (33 -10.5). The axles where nothing short of awesome. He never broke a single part of his front diff or had any problems with the axles. He did NOT baby anything!
But for $200 RCV will cryo and REM polish the ring and pinion for any diff.
https://www.rcvperformance.com/store...products_id=73
Which would be well worth the investment on an 86-95 IFS running the RCV CVs due to the 7.5" ring & pinion's inherent weakness(size wise and being regular cut/run backwards in the IFS diff). To not do so, would be pretty much asking for a busted R&P.
12-21-2010, 01:14 PM
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Autozone sells a reman half-shaft for $59. Of course, there's a $10 core charge, and you might not get that back if you break one. So figure $70. $1685 divided by $70 -- what do you know? 24 half-shafts! (a dozen sets)
(I assume that $1685 gets you both sides.)
So figuring the current rate that I break (or otherwise want to replace) half-shafts .....
(I assume that $1685 gets you both sides.)
So figuring the current rate that I break (or otherwise want to replace) half-shafts .....
AutoZone here charges $53 plus a $100 core. So $153 per broken axle. That puts the math down to 11 axles.
I am not arguing that these axles are a good buy, just that they aren't as bad you were making them seem.
12-21-2010, 01:20 PM
#36
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And if you don't know how to do it, how much of that money is for labor to replace them? Or how much is your own time worth replacing each set? Which brings you down to how many half shafts?
Think about it how many of you guys recommend the oem headgasket over other brands? because why? So you don't have to go back in there to replace it again. Maybe a bad analogy because of the slight difference in price but I think you can get my point.
Think about it how many of you guys recommend the oem headgasket over other brands? because why? So you don't have to go back in there to replace it again. Maybe a bad analogy because of the slight difference in price but I think you can get my point.
Last edited by xxxtreme22r; 12-21-2010 at 01:21 PM.
12-21-2010, 01:34 PM
#37
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Well, the IFS diff isn't the same on a 06. It's an 8" with mid-pinion reverse-cut gears and 30 spline axles. It's in a league of it's own strength wise, and can probably handle the upgraded CVs quite easily. So, it's not really fair to compare it to the pre-96 LP 7.5" IFS diff.
But for $200 RCV will cryo and REM polish the ring and pinion for any diff.
https://www.rcvperformance.com/store...products_id=73
Which would be well worth the investment on an 86-95 IFS running the RCV CVs due to the 7.5" ring & pinion's inherent weakness(size wise and being regular cut/run backwards in the IFS diff). To not do so, would be pretty much asking for a busted R&P.
But for $200 RCV will cryo and REM polish the ring and pinion for any diff.
https://www.rcvperformance.com/store...products_id=73
Which would be well worth the investment on an 86-95 IFS running the RCV CVs due to the 7.5" ring & pinion's inherent weakness(size wise and being regular cut/run backwards in the IFS diff). To not do so, would be pretty much asking for a busted R&P.
12-21-2010, 01:35 PM
#38
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And at the end of the day, they are still cheap chinese steel POS autozone axles. Not even worth the 50 bucks for the exchange.
12-21-2010, 02:24 PM
#39
Anyone who buys a new CV axle for a wheeling rig is nuts. Wrecking yards sell those axles for as cheap as $20/ea. For that price, you can buy 80 axles before you ever even out the cost. And I bet no one would ever EVER wheel hard enough to break 80 axles. Besides, once you have done the stub axle stud removal mod, changing an axle takes maybe 20 minutes.
12-21-2010, 02:29 PM
#40
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^^^ if you have access to them, around here, although it's common to see these rigs in the yards, the entire driveline is usually not there. Partially due to the fact the yards remove them before making the truck available to all, then they mark up the price on them and your almost in the price range of brand new aftermarket.
