Notices
86-95 Trucks & 4Runners 2nd/3rd gen pickups, and 1st/2nd gen 4Runners with IFS

Quiz of the day - Crazy idle after header and exhaust install

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old Feb 16, 2009 | 07:11 PM
  #21  
muddpigg's Avatar
Registered User
iTrader: (1)
 
Joined: Mar 2007
Posts: 4,374
Likes: 37
From: Enterprise, AL
When you did the exhuast install did you reset the ECU?
Are you sure that the light bulb in you dash for check engine is not burnt out?

I try to pull codes anyway, but you may want to reset the ECU and see what happens first. What size tubing did you use?
Reply
Old Feb 16, 2009 | 07:13 PM
  #22  
muddpigg's Avatar
Registered User
iTrader: (1)
 
Joined: Mar 2007
Posts: 4,374
Likes: 37
From: Enterprise, AL
Dang my posting is slow you and jay351 posted twice in the time it took me to post one. Bare with me just woke up from a nap.
Reply
Old Feb 16, 2009 | 07:17 PM
  #23  
Jay351's Avatar
Contributing Member
 
Joined: Feb 2007
Posts: 9,055
Likes: 10
From: maple ridge, British Columbia, Canada
haha!
Reply
Old Feb 16, 2009 | 07:17 PM
  #24  
iamsuperbleeder's Avatar
Thread Starter
Contributing Member
 
Joined: Feb 2008
Posts: 12,248
Likes: 33
From: Lake City, Fl
Originally Posted by muddpigg
When you did the exhuast install did you reset the ECU?
Are you sure that the light bulb in you dash for check engine is not burnt out?

I try to pull codes anyway, but you may want to reset the ECU and see what happens first. What size tubing did you use?
no, I never did reset the ECU

the CEL does come on when the key's turned before the truck starts, so I know the bulb's good

according to Summit (that's the kit I bought, and where I bought it from), it's 2" to the muffler, and 2.25" after the muffler. And the header, once again, according to Summit, 1.5" primaries leading to a 2.5" collector
Reply
Old Feb 16, 2009 | 07:18 PM
  #25  
desert-rat660's Avatar
Registered User
 
Joined: Oct 2008
Posts: 305
Likes: 0
From: fort mohave AZ
check for a vacuum leak between the egr valve and manifold
Reply
Old Feb 16, 2009 | 07:19 PM
  #26  
muddpigg's Avatar
Registered User
iTrader: (1)
 
Joined: Mar 2007
Posts: 4,374
Likes: 37
From: Enterprise, AL
Reset it and see what happens.
Reply
Old Feb 16, 2009 | 07:21 PM
  #27  
iamsuperbleeder's Avatar
Thread Starter
Contributing Member
 
Joined: Feb 2008
Posts: 12,248
Likes: 33
From: Lake City, Fl
Originally Posted by desert-rat660
check for a vacuum leak between the egr valve and manifold
there's a not-so-old gasket on there from when I removed the intake a while back, but I'll be sure to hit around there when I do the ol "spray the starter fluid" test

Originally Posted by muddpigg
Reset it and see what happens.
yall have got me curious... I'm going to go and unhook it and leave it overnight and see what happens in the morning, lol

Last edited by iamsuperbleeder; Feb 16, 2009 at 07:22 PM.
Reply
Old Feb 16, 2009 | 07:21 PM
  #28  
desert-rat660's Avatar
Registered User
 
Joined: Oct 2008
Posts: 305
Likes: 0
From: fort mohave AZ
or maybe the valve is sticking open
Reply
Old Feb 16, 2009 | 07:34 PM
  #29  
iamsuperbleeder's Avatar
Thread Starter
Contributing Member
 
Joined: Feb 2008
Posts: 12,248
Likes: 33
From: Lake City, Fl
ok, unhooking the battery(s) took all of a minute

I'll get out the door a few minutes earlier in the morning and hook er back up and see how that works

as for now, I'm go'n to bed

wish me luck guys
Reply
Old Feb 17, 2009 | 10:17 AM
  #30  
Jay351's Avatar
Contributing Member
 
Joined: Feb 2007
Posts: 9,055
Likes: 10
From: maple ridge, British Columbia, Canada
UPDATES?!? cmon foo!!
Reply
Old Feb 17, 2009 | 10:33 AM
  #31  
abecedarian's Avatar
Registered User
 
Joined: Mar 2008
Posts: 12,723
Likes: 6
From: Temecula Valley, CA
Just throwing things out there...
It's possible that with the reduced backpressure, you have too much valve overlap and it's killing your vacuum, causing you to run lean. Similar to how aggressive cams kill vacuum and either require adjusting the AFM and idle speed or switching out the stock EFI for something more capable. I'd put a vacuum gauge on the manifold and see what sort of vacuum it's pulling and whether it's a constant vacuum or if it surges. If you have the valves set to the tight end, you may try loosening them a thousandth or two and see how it goes.
I'm guessing you have the TPS set properly- but if it's not, the ECU could be looking at the O2 for feedback and since the exhaust is flowing better, the O2 won't be a hot as it should and this could cause the idle to act strange.
Reply
Old Feb 17, 2009 | 05:40 PM
  #32  
iamsuperbleeder's Avatar
Thread Starter
Contributing Member
 
Joined: Feb 2008
Posts: 12,248
Likes: 33
From: Lake City, Fl
weeeeell, the ECU reset didn't do didly squat... I had my hopes up for that too...

had a meeting after work today, so I didn't get the time I wanted to fool around with it, but I did stop by the part's store on the way home and tinker with it a bit.

I started just by grabing some starter fluid and shooting around to find a vaccum leak... no go...

I did find one thing interesting though; I took the air filter off, and with the truck idling, I gave one quick shot into the intake of the AFM, the the idle smoothed out for a couple second! this leads me to believe it's a lack of fuel, since the introduction of fuel smooths it out.

so out of curiosity, I popped the cover off the AFM, marked the OEM spot (yeah, I've learned from that mistake in the past ), and loosened the tention up on the spring to open the flap a little. The RPM's came up a little, but it still idled irratically... I went a little further, then things got worse... I bounced back and forth, flicking the throttle a few times with each adjustment, and every try still left me with a crappy idle... so I said screw it, and I put it back to the OEM mark and put the cover back...

so then I played with the timing real quick just for kicks, and that did absolutely nothing...

I really don't know what's going on here... it's driving me absolutely insane...

if I get the time tomorrow, I'll change the plugs, regardless of how they look, just to see what happens... their all of $2 a peice... I might even do the cap and rotor...


but on a good note, I did come home to $1200 worth of computer parts I ordered last week for my new computer build that's my other hobby... I should have kept the $1200 though and maybe bought a new motor

Last edited by iamsuperbleeder; Feb 17, 2009 at 06:05 PM.
Reply
Old Feb 17, 2009 | 07:13 PM
  #33  
abecedarian's Avatar
Registered User
 
Joined: Mar 2008
Posts: 12,723
Likes: 6
From: Temecula Valley, CA
you on neowin?
Reply
Old Feb 17, 2009 | 07:43 PM
  #34  
Junkers88's Avatar
Registered User
 
Joined: Mar 2008
Posts: 4,371
Likes: 6
From: Texas
Originally Posted by iamsuperbleeder


but on a good note, I did come home to $1200 worth of computer parts I ordered last week for my new computer build that's my other hobby... I should have kept the $1200 though and maybe bought a new motor
1200$????? What on earth are you building? I just built a new system for half that from Newegg.

You're not one of those hacker people are you?

Back to the problem you seem to have with the yota. I noticed you said that it ran smoother after a shot of fluid, thus leading you to think it might be a fuel delivery issue. Have you checked the "O" rings on the injectors and the injectors themselves? I know if the little ring goes out or has a rip it will make the idle odd and I also know that a funky injector will cause off idle. This idle problem may not have anything to do with the new exhaust it may have just cropped up at an odd time. Just a thought.
Reply
Old Feb 17, 2009 | 08:08 PM
  #35  
1993toy's Avatar
Registered User
 
Joined: Dec 2006
Posts: 31
Likes: 0
I am going to keep my eye on this post. If you find the problem please post what the solution is. I am having a very similar problem, my truck seems to be doing the same exact thing. I have a lc header, engnbldr street rv head, 268 cam, jardine cat back. I have a very similar idle, (it sounds just like my truck). I have checked the vacuum hoses, new injectors, new tps, new o2 sensor, cleaned the intake, etc. I am also beating my head against the wall trying to figure out why it idles like that. I have searched through posts but every one seems to not find a solution, or they don't post it. I think I may take abecedrian advice and try a little looser valve clearance, I have mine on the tight side. I have heard the saying, a tappy engine is a happy engine.
Reply
Old Feb 17, 2009 | 08:30 PM
  #36  
904_runner's Avatar
Registered User
 
Joined: Mar 2008
Posts: 3,870
Likes: 4
From: Chico, California
Btw you can just pull the efi fuse for like 30 secs to reset the ECU.

Also with no cat you will smell more exhaust.
Reply
Old Feb 18, 2009 | 03:26 AM
  #37  
iamsuperbleeder's Avatar
Thread Starter
Contributing Member
 
Joined: Feb 2008
Posts: 12,248
Likes: 33
From: Lake City, Fl
Originally Posted by abecedarian
you on neowin?
on what?

Originally Posted by Junkers88
1200$????? What on earth are you building? I just built a new system for half that from Newegg.

You're not one of those hacker people are you?

Back to the problem you seem to have with the yota. I noticed you said that it ran smoother after a shot of fluid, thus leading you to think it might be a fuel delivery issue. Have you checked the "O" rings on the injectors and the injectors themselves? I know if the little ring goes out or has a rip it will make the idle odd and I also know that a funky injector will cause off idle. This idle problem may not have anything to do with the new exhaust it may have just cropped up at an odd time. Just a thought.
Ok, $1,000... my $200 case will show up today





about the injector o-rings, I sprayed all around there with the starting fluid though; I figured if that's what it was, it would have sucked some fluis through there...
Reply
Old Feb 18, 2009 | 03:47 AM
  #38  
carl2585's Avatar
Registered User
 
Joined: Feb 2009
Posts: 1
Likes: 0
1993 toyota pick up how do i change the heater control panel light bulb
Reply
Old Feb 18, 2009 | 02:28 PM
  #39  
iamsuperbleeder's Avatar
Thread Starter
Contributing Member
 
Joined: Feb 2008
Posts: 12,248
Likes: 33
From: Lake City, Fl
Originally Posted by carl2585
1993 toyota pick up how do i change the heater control panel light bulb
ummmmmm, random much???

and not even so much as a please...
Reply
Old Feb 18, 2009 | 02:43 PM
  #40  
TNRabbit's Avatar
Contributing Member
 
Joined: Apr 2006
Posts: 4,787
Likes: 36
From: TENN Native Languishing in Virginia
If it runs fine when cold and goes to hell hot, you have a VACUUM LEAK. Find it.
Reply



All times are GMT -8. The time now is 02:06 PM.