DupermanDave

I'm going to do my clutch in about a week or two and have been contemplating hoisting the engine out rather than remove the transmission. We have an engine hoist, but not a transmission jack.

This post is sort of unrelated to that. My question is: where do I attach the hoist to the engine? On our subaru ej25 engine I just removed, we had 2 clips. On this 22re, I don't see any clips. Do I just need to loop some chains around the intake manifold and attach some chains to the power steering?

xxxtreme22r

I don't know about the re(s) but mine had a hook on the front and a loop on the back. Might be the other way around but you get the idea.

xxxtreme22r

Sorry it's two hooks:

from 92TOys thread:

Front hook (on the front of the head forward of the thermostat housing):




Rear hook (upper right corner):

DupermanDave

Eeek. Mine doesn't have those :-( Would be nice to have. Might check out a junk yard near here, but they don't have much for yotas. There's a yotayard in denver, but that's way too far to go for some hooks.

Would I be able to go to home depot and buy some brackets to replace these? I was able to find some very strong steel brackets for my ammo box. I could get 2 brackets about 6 inches long and drill two holes in each end, one for the bolt and one for the hoist to attach to. It would only be temporary, of course.

DupermanDave

Even better, I know Ace hardware sells those hook shackles. I'll see if those have a flat side that can be put up against the valve cover.

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http://www.amazon.com/Keeper-05611-H...503799&sr=8-13

http://www.amazon.com/Curt-Manufactu...=pd_sbs_auto_1

Could someone take a look at those types of tow hooks and let me know if there's enough space in the stock position for them?

xxxtreme22r

a bolt and a few washers attached to a chain in the same bolt holes for the hooks would work just as well.

xxxtreme22r

a fully assembled engine only weights about 300 or so lbs without the trans attached.

DupermanDave

Or that would work. Lol. I thought about that, but the brackets would give more room for movement and mobility. Do you know what size those bolts are?

thook

Not sure how you figure that. I've done the bolt and chain trick before and it worked just fine.

shawns88

i would think it would be little easyer to just take the tranny out besides the motor. i just replaced my clutch couple days ago and it wasnt all that hard, but I did do it under a lift.

thook

Oi! If only everyone had a lift.....

angrydogtattoo

I have a 22R and not the RE, I did replace my clutch and pulled just the tranny, I would thin that would be easier than a whole engine pull!? Now I wish I had a transmission jack but I do not, I used a 3 ton floor jack and a small 2x6, I'd like to say it was a piece of cake but it wasn't but looking at a whole engine pull with all the vacuum lines and wires, the tranny pull was much easier.

From the top tranny bolts I lowered the tranny down after removing the x-member and put together all the extensions I could find, I got into the cab and used the shifter hole and was able to get on the two top bolts and get them out.

Good luckl

thook

Either way, replacing a clutch is never really easy unless you have a tranny jack. If one doesn't have a tranny jack, there's a lot less grunt work pulling the motor.

angrydogtattoo

I would agree on the grunt work, I wished several times that I had the tranny insert for my jack, just to bolt the thing down and line everything up better. I really didn't have trouble removing it, getting it back in was another story!

xxxtreme22r

FYI after pulling my motor 3 times in one month (please don't ask why lol), I can now have the engine out and back in in less than an hour. No joking. I could probably do it even faster now maybe 45 minutes since none of my emission stuff is hooked up because of weber carb.

To me looking at the crossmember, engine-tranny bolts etc etc, not having a trans jack, the fact I have never pulled the manual trans on this, pulling the motor looks easier.

thook

Lining the motor and tranny back up to the splined shaft is always a bit tricky. But, atleast with pulling the tranny down you don't have to drain coolant or mess with wiring and hoses. With the motor and everthing considered, it's still easier than wrestling a tranny to get it at the right angle while mating it up. Much easier! Of course, my last clutch experience was in 34* weather, ground was frozen, used a floor jack with a make shift tranny adapter, and my gloves kept sticking to anything steel........shivering my ass off the whole time. Yeah. Fun.

xxxtreme22r

haha I feel ya thook, had to do a tranny swap on a previously owned 82 Cutlass with 4 inches of snow on the ground. Did it with the car on jack stands in the middle of a field.

Got lucky with a TH400 in the junk yard. It was sitting on the ground already pulled sitting next to a car that it didn't even belong to Counted the number of pan bolts to be sure and away it went !!!!

thook

Ahhhh......snow! Been there before. My wife has a picture of me working on her 4rnr in the middle of a snow storm. It was our only working vehicle at the time, so I strung up a tarp, ran a heater out to the vehicle, and kept hot coffee at my disposal. Atleast I wasn't on the ground in the middle of a freakin' field, though! That would suck snot, literally....hahaha..

DupermanDave

My first clutch experience was also in the freezing weather on the cold garage floor. At least I'm in the peak summer heat and will enjoy every moment of it.

I went to the junkyard and got those hooks from another 22re engine.

I think I'll go ahead and buy the transmission jack and do it the transmission way.

toyotabull

i have found it easier to pull the motor and wrap a strap under the tranny and over the frame on each side. Then again all i have are radiator lines, fuel lines, exhaust pipe and the hood to pull. motor out in 35 minutes taking it easy.