New Engine Installed - Won't Start (22RE)
#143
Kyle, I really sounds like the VAF/AFM is telling the ECU that it needs to bump up the fuel flow. If you have not already, swap out Matthews VAF/AFM or take the sealed cover off yours and put additional tension on the vane shaft while bringing up the RPM's. This will force the ECU to call for less fuel at the given air flow.
#144
kirk- so I jumper that plug and turn the key on and if it spits out fuel I will know it is hung open? If so is there any way to get it to close?
Hickman- I think that if it isnt the fuel pressure regulator or the cold start injector then you are probably right. I will try to read up ok the process tonight or if matthew doesn't mind trade mine out for his tomorrow to diagnose.
Hickman- I think that if it isnt the fuel pressure regulator or the cold start injector then you are probably right. I will try to read up ok the process tonight or if matthew doesn't mind trade mine out for his tomorrow to diagnose.
Last edited by My99; May 23, 2008 at 06:48 PM.
#145
if it is stuck open, it would depend on what's got it stuck whether you could unstick it.
#146
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Thanks Matthew, I appreciate the help.
Not knowing where to start with the fuel pressure regulator, I started by checking the VSV (http://personal.utulsa.edu/~nathan-b...e/41fuelp.pdf).
It failed test 3 - Open Circuit Test - Ohm readings are supposed to be between 30 & 50 ohms. Mine pegged out at 120 ohms. Manual says to replace it if it's not within the specified range. Do you think this part could possibly be causing my issues?
So I pulled the vacuum line off the top of the FPR, I assume this was the actuator hose that you were referring to that runs from the blue/green switching unit that is bolted to the top of the valve cover. No fuel came out of there. I assume this is a good thing, as it doesn't look like the type of line that would carry fuel.
However, I'm not understanding the next steps. Pull the FPR off, put a vice grip clamp on the top hose, and then blow through the bottom hose to see if air comes up through the top hose? Don't see how air could pass through if I've cut it off with the vice grips....
OH - And Kirk - I did cap off the brake booster feed nipple on the intake mani and didn't notice any changes....
Thanks,
Kyle
Not knowing where to start with the fuel pressure regulator, I started by checking the VSV (http://personal.utulsa.edu/~nathan-b...e/41fuelp.pdf).
It failed test 3 - Open Circuit Test - Ohm readings are supposed to be between 30 & 50 ohms. Mine pegged out at 120 ohms. Manual says to replace it if it's not within the specified range. Do you think this part could possibly be causing my issues?
So I pulled the vacuum line off the top of the FPR, I assume this was the actuator hose that you were referring to that runs from the blue/green switching unit that is bolted to the top of the valve cover. No fuel came out of there. I assume this is a good thing, as it doesn't look like the type of line that would carry fuel.
However, I'm not understanding the next steps. Pull the FPR off, put a vice grip clamp on the top hose, and then blow through the bottom hose to see if air comes up through the top hose? Don't see how air could pass through if I've cut it off with the vice grips....
OH - And Kirk - I did cap off the brake booster feed nipple on the intake mani and didn't notice any changes....
Thanks,
Kyle
On the FPR...
The actuator hose is vacuum operated opening the diaphragm in the regulator. If you suck on it, it should open the diaphragm. Pinching it off with vice grips should keep it open so that when you blow through the threaded bottom portion or the fuel sending line, air should pass through. If that doesn't happen, that would mean the regulator is sticking shut. But, that would also mean you probably wouldn't get fuel....I guess. But, we know that isn't the case...is it? So, nevermind on that, eh......
Read my PM. I suggest swapping a few easy enough parts from my truck until you create the change needed on yours. Like I said, I will be there ALL day and do not need my truck during that time. There's a cozy spot behind the store out of the way of parking lot traffic and full sun in which to tinker. I've had to do it a number of times.
Start with the AFM. If that doesn't do it, then try the VSV.....and so on.
See you tomorrow.
#147
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Did you change the coolant temp sensor already? I can't remember if you did or not.
There are only a few things that'll cause it rich like this. coolant temp sensor, faulting cold start switch or injector, air flow meter, excessive fuel pressure and faulting O2. well, the ecu too but I'm not going there.
I'm not saying this is the problem, but the cold start switch next to the coolant temp sensor could be bad and triggering your cold start valve and holding it open so disconnecting the plug from it should prevent the CS injector from squirting. The CS injector could be stuck open as well. Also, the coolant temp sensor could be telling your ECU the engine is cold and over-enriching your fuel mixture.
If the truck overheated when the head gasket went, high temps could've damaged either of those sensors.
I don't know if you and Kyle went over these so I'm just throwing them out there.
There are only a few things that'll cause it rich like this. coolant temp sensor, faulting cold start switch or injector, air flow meter, excessive fuel pressure and faulting O2. well, the ecu too but I'm not going there.
I'm not saying this is the problem, but the cold start switch next to the coolant temp sensor could be bad and triggering your cold start valve and holding it open so disconnecting the plug from it should prevent the CS injector from squirting. The CS injector could be stuck open as well. Also, the coolant temp sensor could be telling your ECU the engine is cold and over-enriching your fuel mixture.
If the truck overheated when the head gasket went, high temps could've damaged either of those sensors.
I don't know if you and Kyle went over these so I'm just throwing them out there.
Hopefully, it will save some headache and time going at it with multimeters and crap....hopefully. If nothing, maybe it will give some brownie points towards ever using HIS tools, if the occasion should ever arise....lol!
#148
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Oh, and Kyle....this is just on option....if you want to, you're welcome to take my vehicle back to your abode to tinker in your own comforts. I warn you, though, my truck needs a good cleaning. It might smell like dogs and critter food and several months worth of dirt. I've not cleaned it out since before my rebuild.....in January! Hehehe....
#153
Good call Kirk!
But I couldn't do that to him.
Matthew - I appreciate your offer and thanks for the input. As you could tell I had to turn in early yesterday. Due to the current weather conditions, I may use another vehicle to come rob some parts off your truck so I can keep them dry and have access to the tools. You know you're welcome to my tools anytime you want dude.
I just got up so I'll check the weather and see how much longer it's supposed to stay icky out there and come up with a plan. I'll PM you shortly.
But I couldn't do that to him.
Matthew - I appreciate your offer and thanks for the input. As you could tell I had to turn in early yesterday. Due to the current weather conditions, I may use another vehicle to come rob some parts off your truck so I can keep them dry and have access to the tools. You know you're welcome to my tools anytime you want dude.
I just got up so I'll check the weather and see how much longer it's supposed to stay icky out there and come up with a plan. I'll PM you shortly.
#155
So testing the VAFM:
1: E2-Vs - Range: 200-400 ohms; Mine: Infinite, even on the million ohm settings (BAD)
2: E2-Vc - Range 100-300 ohms; Mine: 196 Ohms (GOOD)
3: E2-Vb - Range 200-400 ohms; Mine: 317 Ohms (GOOD)
4: E2-THA - Range (@68 degrees) 2k-3k ohms; Mine: 2.6k ohms (Good). I'll go ahead and stash this dude in the freezer for a few minutes to see if that makes the resistance increase, as per it should.
5: E1-Fc - Range Infinite; Mine; Infinite (GOOD)
So one out of the 5 tests I ran failed. Anyone suspect this could be the culprit?
Also, I did the "sweep" test with the unit and it passed the E1-Fc test, but just as we found in test one, it failed the E2-Vs test miserably, registering infinite from idle all the way to WOT.
1: E2-Vs - Range: 200-400 ohms; Mine: Infinite, even on the million ohm settings (BAD)
2: E2-Vc - Range 100-300 ohms; Mine: 196 Ohms (GOOD)
3: E2-Vb - Range 200-400 ohms; Mine: 317 Ohms (GOOD)
4: E2-THA - Range (@68 degrees) 2k-3k ohms; Mine: 2.6k ohms (Good). I'll go ahead and stash this dude in the freezer for a few minutes to see if that makes the resistance increase, as per it should.
5: E1-Fc - Range Infinite; Mine; Infinite (GOOD)
So one out of the 5 tests I ran failed. Anyone suspect this could be the culprit?
Also, I did the "sweep" test with the unit and it passed the E1-Fc test, but just as we found in test one, it failed the E2-Vs test miserably, registering infinite from idle all the way to WOT.
#158
So 4Runners can run smoothly just like regular cars without fumes putting you to sleep if you're within 100 feet of the tailpipe? I'd forgotten what that was like. As Matthew mentioned, it was the AFM as so many had been onto recently. Thanks again Matthew, Kirk & Hickman for the advice and support. It's running like a champ now. I'm going to take a 30 mile drive to visit some family here in a few minutes and I'll let you know how that goes. Hopefully I'll get more around 20mpg than the estimated 10 or less I got on my last journey. OUCH!
Cheers & thanks again!
Cheers & thanks again!
#159
Well I'm not sure why but the gremlins are back although not as severe. At very partial throttle- think going down a slight hill at 60mph in 5th gear-the truck bucks although not near as violently as before. Again it is like the ecu cannot tell if I'm at partial throttle or idle. Any ideas?


