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Old Jan 8, 2007 | 08:46 AM
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Originally Posted by AH64ID
Have it flushed with AmsOil ATF. Its good for 50K to 100K, depending on driving. If you do any towing or slow wheeling put a trans temp gauge in, it could save your tranny.....
Temp gauge, eh? Is that something easily installed?
Boy howdy! That will be one expensive flush. I know it's never been done on this tranny. But, I'll have to wait 'til spring for that.


Originally Posted by mt_goat
Yeah, I've been using Mobil 1 ATF in every auto tranny I own. The syn ATF should be good for longer, especially with an extra tranny cooler.

My BMW "claims" to have lifetime ATF that never needs changing, and BMW does have a better than average stock ATF cooler. Of course BMW's idea of a lifetime may only be 100,000 miles too. I pulled the pan on it at about 80,000 miles and cleaned the magnets and changed the filter and to my suprize the ATF that drained out was crystal clear and like new. (BMW has no dip stick to check the ATF).

A flush with syn ATF will cost about $80-$100 just for the fluid.

I have done a home flush with my Taurus auto tranny. I made a 5 gal pressure bucket out of a 5 gal bucket with a screw on lid. Drilled a hole it the top for a air valve and drilled a hole in the bottom for a hose barb. The bucket was good for about 15 psi (without getting a scary bulge in it) and with a MV-50 I could keep the air pressure up enough to push the ATF into the tranny through the return line (it helps if the bucket is higher than the tranny too). Another bucket was used to catch the old ATF. I had my wife start the Taurus up every now and then while I watched the level of the catch bucket. When the catch bucket got a quart or 2 ahead of my fill bucket, I'd tell her to shut off the engine. It would take my fill system longer to push in the new ATF than the vehicle could pump out the old so it took a while (she was bitching:cry
Thanks for the flush plan. Sounds pretty simple. What is an MV-50? A pressure tank? When I get around to making the flush bucket and doing the flush, I may hit you up for any pointers....if you don't mind. Would you maybe have a pic of your contraption?

I mentioned a Franzt filter (the kind with a toilet paper roll) install. I put it in the cooler line...and I think on the return. Have any of you done this? or thought of it? My tranny fluid seems to stay cleaner a lot longer. Something to consider...it's real inexpensive and traps a lot of the fine particles that would tend to accumulate on components. Also, I did some reading about dropping a magnet in the pan for extra protection. I believe I'm going to do that. So what if it seems like overkill With all I already do....trannys are expensive!

CJM,Thanks for posting the article on the flush. Real interesting. Pointed out some things I hadn't considered.

One question about syth fluid...
Does using the synth kinda bypass the whole Dex-II/Dex-III issue? Seems like that was one of the reasons I started using it. But, that was a while back when I read about it. ???

One OT question...
How important is the little stock oil cooler on the 3.0? The one on the bottom end of the block? The fellow that installed our rebuild didn't mess with putting it on...said it wasn't that important. (I think he's just really lazy ) Is this going to make a big difference?

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Old Jan 8, 2007 | 08:49 AM
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Originally Posted by thook
So, the full flush...it's something that can only be done at a shop professionally?

BTW, on my '92 I run full synth Amsoil with a cooler and Frantz remote filter. About half the time I haul weight in the back and/or a trailer. Do you think the interval suggested here still applies? The only conclusive way I can think of to know for sure the little test they do at BITOG site. I just hate to spend the money for it if I had a good general idea from someone who's in the know.

may I ask how you ran the cooler/where you ran it from? I've got what looks like a transfer case cooler underneath, but I'm thinking of doing both an oil cooler and a trans cooler.
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Old Jan 8, 2007 | 08:58 AM
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Hmmm....I'd have to go back and look exactly how I ran it. But, it was real simple. I'll post up later today about it. I'd get you a pic, but that may take a couple of days to pull that off. The photo soft's are all on my wife's computer.

Yeah, I know the TC cooler you're talking about. I don't think anything beyond that would be real necessary, though. I could be wrong, but it doesn't seem like it would see as much heat as the tranny. Anyone else got an idea about it?

And when you say oil cooler...do you mean for the crankcase?
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Old Jan 8, 2007 | 09:16 AM
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Originally Posted by thook
What is an MV-50?
Same as a MF-1050:
http://www.gearinstalls.com/pepboys.htm

Sorry no pics of the top secret home flush machine have been released to the public yet. (its in the attic and wrapped up in plastic bags) I've never used it on a car I really cared about, yet anyway. There is also the risk of splitting the plastic pressure vessel in half and spilling $80-$100 worth of ATF all over your work area.
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Old Jan 8, 2007 | 07:11 PM
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Originally Posted by thook
Temp gauge, eh? Is that something easily installed?
Boy howdy! That will be one expensive flush. I know it's never been done on this tranny. But, I'll have to wait 'til spring for that.
They get installed in the cooler line... not too hard.. and can be found from cheap to expensive... check out summitracing.com for some ideas....

The A/T's have a temp light, but if that comes on your WAAAYY to hott...
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Old Jan 8, 2007 | 07:16 PM
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Musta been some old bottles I saw of Dexron II, it is an older small parts store I recall seeing them in too. Honestly like I said if you flush every 15k for severe driving schedule or even 30k you wil be fine.

People say syn is better, there is some truth in that it doesnt break down like plain old ATF does, but if your flushing often b/c of severe driving its pointless imho. Same goes for oil, I use whatever is above the walmart brand in price, yet to have any problems with my vehicles b.c I alwaysh change at 3k and its always fine.

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Old Jan 8, 2007 | 11:54 PM
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Yeah, I suppose it does depend all upon what kind of conditions the vehicle sees. In my case, I've noticed I can go much further between changes...which is nice because I'd rather not be under the vehicle that often. Funny how at the moment I seem to be doing a lot of that, but oh well!
And I actually do save some money in the end.

The thing about synthetics, and maybe you already know this, is that the molecules are uniform unlike regular petrol products. This is supposed to be the reason it dissipates (not sure if that's the right word) heat better and giving it a higher flash point. Since heat is one of the main destroyers of metal (fatigue and all) I opted for synthetic. I don't go offroading, unless my driveway (1mi of dirt) counts. And the fact I do haul a lot I've taken every measure I can to minimize heat and particulates.....the other major destroyer. There again, I ran into a woman at the farmer's feed store years ago with an '84 pickup and she had over 600k miles! F@#k! And that's on regular dino with religious oil changes...all around. Hmmm....so there ya' go! LOL!
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Old Jan 9, 2007 | 12:05 AM
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Originally Posted by mt_goat
Same as a MF-1050:
http://www.gearinstalls.com/pepboys.htm

Sorry no pics of the top secret home flush machine have been released to the public yet. (its in the attic and wrapped up in plastic bags) I've never used it on a car I really cared about, yet anyway. There is also the risk of splitting the plastic pressure vessel in half and spilling $80-$100 worth of ATF all over your work area.
Nice little unit, there! Makes me wish I had lots of expendable cash.

Holding out, eh? Fine...be that way! Hehe! Seriously, though, is your contraption not that safe? I mean, sounds like it made you nervous to use it. The wife's car is always a good expiramentation grounds, I suppose. Just don't let on about your sentiments. Female counterparts tend to be less cooperative if they realize your Toy means more than theirs.

At any rate, I gave your description a lot of pondering today. I bet I can come up with a solid container and go from the there. With what you've told me, the rest seems to be self-explanitory after some logical thought. So, once again, thanks!
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Old Jan 9, 2007 | 12:09 AM
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Originally Posted by chimmike
may I ask how you ran the cooler/where you ran it from? I've got what looks like a transfer case cooler underneath, but I'm thinking of doing both an oil cooler and a trans cooler.
Sorry guy, I worked late today. So, I'll have a description in the morn. when I get the chance to look at it. But, I think I just spliced into the feed line to the radiator and the return line from the radiator. I mounted it behind the plastic grill under the front bumper with a piece of coated hardware cloth to protect it from rocks and debris. Anyway, if you haven't completely lost interest, I'll say more tomorrow. Sorry!
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Old Jan 9, 2007 | 10:48 AM
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That's what I did. I got the cooler from O'Reilly and had instructions how to hook it in. I just had to find the place to put it. Then, I hooked a remote trans. fluid filter into the feed line and mounted that under the body near the driver's running board.
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Old Jan 11, 2007 | 07:09 AM
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Originally Posted by thook
Thanks for the flush plan. Sounds pretty simple. When I get around to making the flush bucket and doing the flush, I may hit you up for any pointers....if you don't mind. Would you maybe have a pic of your contraption?
Just so you know, for our Toyota trucks, we don't need a fancy contraption to do a full flush at home... you just top up the fluid through the dipstick tube. After having drained the pan, removed the pan to clean the filter, re-installed and re-filled the pan, I just disconnect the tranny cooler return line from the radiator, start the truck and allow the tranny fluid pump to pump out approx 1 quart of fluid, shut off the truck, top the fluid up through the dipstick tube, and repeat approx 10 times to get all the old fluid out.

See info here.

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Old Jan 11, 2007 | 07:42 AM
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Originally Posted by GSGALLANT
Just so you know, for our Toyota trucks, we don't need a fancy contraption to do a full flush at home... you just top up the fluid through the dipstick tube. After having drained the pan, removed the pan to clean the filter, re-installed and re-filled the pan, I just disconnect the tranny cooler return line from the radiator, start the truck and allow the tranny fluid pump to pump out approx 1 quart of fluid, shut off the truck, top the fluid up through the dipstick tube, and repeat approx 10 times to get all the old fluid out.

See info here.
Yeah that would be easier, just have to be careful to not fill too fast when filling through the dip stick. Especially if the little o-ring on the dip stick tube isn't sealing good (you can get a bit of a mess)
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Old Jan 11, 2007 | 09:26 AM
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Originally Posted by GSGALLANT
Just so you know, for our Toyota trucks, we don't need a fancy contraption to do a full flush at home... you just top up the fluid through the dipstick tube. After having drained the pan, removed the pan to clean the filter, re-installed and re-filled the pan, I just disconnect the tranny cooler return line from the radiator, start the truck and allow the tranny fluid pump to pump out approx 1 quart of fluid, shut off the truck, top the fluid up through the dipstick tube, and repeat approx 10 times to get all the old fluid out.

See info here.
Cool...thanks! Does sound a lot easier. Ya know, I think I had read something like this eons ago when I first started looking into synthetic fluids, but obviously I forgot about it.
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