3.0 versus 22re
06-29-2010, 09:24 PM
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I have a 22re in my 4runner and i love it. I can be quick off a stop light you just have to rev it high. I've towed a bunch with my runner and i've had no problems.
Also climbed from 1000ft to 11,000 ft elevation in 2 hours about 8 times last winter, it loves reving (4k) up the hills.
I think if you're having problems with a 22re in a 4runner then you don't know how to drive.
Zero complaints, and i can rebuild or replace it really cheap when the time comes. Oh yeah, 20mpg in town. How are you going to defend the 3.0 against that?
Also climbed from 1000ft to 11,000 ft elevation in 2 hours about 8 times last winter, it loves reving (4k) up the hills.
I think if you're having problems with a 22re in a 4runner then you don't know how to drive.
Zero complaints, and i can rebuild or replace it really cheap when the time comes. Oh yeah, 20mpg in town. How are you going to defend the 3.0 against that?
06-29-2010, 09:45 PM
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I get great milage in my 89 3.0, 23 highway and 17-18 street.
Honestly I have owned many 22re's over the years, and this 89 with the 3.0
They both run fine. The 3.0 is a tuggin, torquey lil machine though.
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06-29-2010, 09:49 PM
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3rd, 60mph, 65 if i wanna push it. 85 up hills? Why don't you get a sports car? Last time i checked 4runners weren't built to do 85 consistently.
Oh and btw, I'll waive to you when you're pulled over :p. Happens alot haha
Oh and btw, I'll waive to you when you're pulled over :p. Happens alot haha
06-29-2010, 09:54 PM
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Not 85 up hill, the 3.0 ain't that bad a$$!
Point was that it has more power right off the show room floor. Gotta spend lots to get the 22re up to the stock 3,0 hp range.
Again- I like both engines for what they are.
06-29-2010, 10:18 PM
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iin my oppinion i would prefer the 22re, its just what i grew up with, and i know it inside and out, ive never had experience with the 3vze, so i really dont have anything to compare either too. in my case i would prefer the 22re, but thats only because ive never used a 3vse, so dnt get me wrong the 3vze could be 10x better then the 22re, i just wouldnt know it
06-29-2010, 10:22 PM
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The 3vze isn't a better engine, just different. The 22R/E series (14 or 15 years) has a track record with it's problems vs. the 3.0 with a 7 year history and it's issues.
Treat any engine right- it will treat you right.
Treat any engine right- it will treat you right.
06-30-2010, 03:57 AM
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LOL that comment seriously made me laugh my ass off. I guess I never got the memo telling me where that hidden "Extra 40hp button" is located on 22re equipped 4Runners. The thing is a dog man, it doesn't matter how you drive it. It's still a dog even with that extra 40hp/40lb/ft.
06-30-2010, 06:37 PM
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uhhh 22re has a 25 year history and I think the 3.0 has a 23 year history (it was first available in 87 I think, could've been 86 not sure exactly)
06-30-2010, 07:45 PM
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Uuuuuuh, I meant years produced.
In trucks and later in 4runners, the 22r series has been around since late 1980. Discontinued in 95 when the Taco's were introduced. 15 year run.
In Trucks (RN50/60's and T-100's) & Runners, the 3vze series were introduced in 1988 year models. Discontinued in 95 when the 3.4 was introduced in the Runners, T-100's and Taco's. 7 year run.
06-30-2010, 08:09 PM
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i love my 3.0. i love dropping the clutch and spinning my 31's!!! id never get a 4banger in another 4runner. my motor has never been rebuilt or touched, it just got the head gasket recal with 90k on the clock and now has 225k miles and runs so good. it easily gets up to highway speeds and have gotten up to 100 with ease too. i rev mine to 5k rpms many times a day and has taken a LOT of abuse. it has never once broken down on me. the only complaint i have is the mileage. i get about 16mpg but like i said i have a heavy foot
i take care of it and it takes care of me.
i take care of it and it takes care of me.
11-04-2011, 05:02 PM
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Speaking from experience I own both. A 95 pickup extra cab v6 and a 85 22r. Both 4x4s, Havent had the oppurtunity to wheel my 22r yet but have jeepd my friends but both v6 did just fine, yes lacked some low end power but in most cases 4-lo 1st gear would get me out of most sticky situations where others (fords & what not) 
When getting worked though the v6 is unpleasent in regards to mpgs, but I can say I've averaged 20mpg on a tank of gas driving in town. As far as which id rather work on? 22r ALL DAY. The thought of working on my v6 is well discouraging to say the least with the way its packed in there. Both are good motors. My v6 had its original until 265k (purchased @225k), which was due to lack of an oil change...oh well. It survived harsh beatings and still does till this day. It spent half of its life on the rev limiter, and loved every minute of it lol
When getting worked though the v6 is unpleasent in regards to mpgs, but I can say I've averaged 20mpg on a tank of gas driving in town. As far as which id rather work on? 22r ALL DAY. The thought of working on my v6 is well discouraging to say the least with the way its packed in there. Both are good motors. My v6 had its original until 265k (purchased @225k), which was due to lack of an oil change...oh well. It survived harsh beatings and still does till this day. It spent half of its life on the rev limiter, and loved every minute of it lol
10-22-2012, 05:24 PM
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I can tell this thread is dead (OMG A RHYME), and has been for a while, but I thought any future readers might like my 2 cents, so...
I have noticed personally that a 22-re requires less upkeep than the 3vz (A few friends have them), but obviously lacks the power supplied by a v6. Anyone who's driven a truck would know, more cylinders feels better. I'll admit, I like f150's, especially those old ones with the big 351 windsors! Oh, if only I could get one into my 4runner... However, I can say like above that my 22-re requires very little upkeep. Besides regular oil changes and spark plug changes and blah blah blah, it has only needed 2 starters, a head gasket, and unfortunately through my fault, not wear, a radiator. And that's in almost 20 years! Not bad huh?
That said, I've never owned a 3vz, but I'd like to! I LOVE working on Toyotas, and when other people get discouraged working on Toyotas, I get excited! I tow a 16 foot boat around from time to time too. And I don't need to tell any of you how hard that is for the 22-re. Put a trailer on them and they get moody, or... slow... I know it'd be somewhat easier with a 3vz, but I'd like to see how much. Being that its max torque is like 2400 instead of 2800 rpm, I'd think it'll pull smoother. Anyone wanna give me a 3vz 4runner? Or pickup, though that would throw my comparison off, still, I ain't picky when they're cheap/free. I'm in Georgia.
I have noticed personally that a 22-re requires less upkeep than the 3vz (A few friends have them), but obviously lacks the power supplied by a v6. Anyone who's driven a truck would know, more cylinders feels better. I'll admit, I like f150's, especially those old ones with the big 351 windsors! Oh, if only I could get one into my 4runner... However, I can say like above that my 22-re requires very little upkeep. Besides regular oil changes and spark plug changes and blah blah blah, it has only needed 2 starters, a head gasket, and unfortunately through my fault, not wear, a radiator. And that's in almost 20 years! Not bad huh?
That said, I've never owned a 3vz, but I'd like to! I LOVE working on Toyotas, and when other people get discouraged working on Toyotas, I get excited! I tow a 16 foot boat around from time to time too. And I don't need to tell any of you how hard that is for the 22-re. Put a trailer on them and they get moody, or... slow... I know it'd be somewhat easier with a 3vz, but I'd like to see how much. Being that its max torque is like 2400 instead of 2800 rpm, I'd think it'll pull smoother. Anyone wanna give me a 3vz 4runner? Or pickup, though that would throw my comparison off, still, I ain't picky when they're cheap/free. I'm in Georgia.
10-22-2012, 06:01 PM
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By stating that 3500 was "high" on a 22R/22R-E, I was simply stating my own personal opinion about what is "high". To me that is anything over 3500 on that particular engine. I NEVER directly said anything about the 3VZ-E and revving it at 3500 or any other rpm. You must note the words "regular basis" (i.e. almost all the time). I would never rev a V6 like that almost all the time, be it a 3.0, 3.4 or whatever else, Toyota or not. And by saying this I am not fixating on "3500" as a specific rpm not to rev it over all the time. The Nissan VQ35DE would be very different. I also *note this* never said anything about the 3VZ-E as being inferior to the 22R. I essentially stated exactly what you stated about the 22R having a more proven reliability record, as I specified that it was introduced in 1979, as opposed to 10 years later. I never said anything about weight or drivetrain specifications or number of components. The person with 1 million miles on a 3VZ-E is one example. There are many for the 22R in that area. Again, I never ever said that the 3VZ-E was inferior to the 22R. I completely agree with you about the 3VZ-E doing pretty damn good, because it does. And no, I never have owned one, but many friends and family members do/have. All of theirs are running great. I did say that it was inferior in terms of reliability and performance to the 5VZ-FE, because it is a true fact. It may very well be an unfair comparison, as technology always marches forward, but it is nevertheless a fact. I never talk trash about something serious, especially a Toyota. I own two of them and will soon own four. They are the most reliable vehicles on the planet, and I would never speak lightly or negatively about them as a whole. Sure, they're not perfect, but they are pretty damn close.
10-22-2012, 06:03 PM
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I can tell this thread is dead (OMG A RHYME), and has been for a while, but I thought any future readers might like my 2 cents, so...
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makes me post something up,---- Well i have a 1991 4runner with the 3.slo 2wd auto, all i can say this engine is great for hauling (I have never towed with the 22re though) i have pull a load of just over 8,500 lbs (an F250 crew cab) and the trailer @1,800 lbs the runner squated like hell but made a trip of roughly 50 miles (good thing no DOT saw me) well in overall what im trying to say is that the 3vze is more than capable to do some things that (Im throwing my two cents here so don't hate) the 22re Im guessing it can never do.
10-23-2012, 05:59 PM
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almost forgot to mention I had Spring helper air bags did not do much but better than sitting the body on the diff. The reason i pulled this much weight was cause my brother bought this truck and had no money left for a tow truck, so i said what the hey.
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Instead of creating an entirely new thread i figure this one should come back to life! I have owned 2 3vze 4runners lets just say the first one was better than the second one. Mine now i just straight up hate it no power good luck getting 120 hp out of this thing it shifts to first going up a dirt road hill and has to be in passing gear on everything else for the most part. And to include that 10 mpg gas mileage. I've already had troubles with this car and has been well maintained now hitting 210000 and have to replace cam seal and then the ***** jumps timing. Must be bad luck.
Now over my grunt on the 3vze I was wondering if a 22re truck with a manual would have any better power than the 3.slow going up the step mountain grades and high altitude. I'm not looking to win any races but to be able to pass a semi truck without causing any traffic jams would be great! Or... Do you guys think it would be better to save some pennies and buy a 3.4 I'm not wanting to win any races but I would like something with a little more power but better Mpg and reliability
Now over my grunt on the 3vze I was wondering if a 22re truck with a manual would have any better power than the 3.slow going up the step mountain grades and high altitude. I'm not looking to win any races but to be able to pass a semi truck without causing any traffic jams would be great! Or... Do you guys think it would be better to save some pennies and buy a 3.4 I'm not wanting to win any races but I would like something with a little more power but better Mpg and reliability
11-27-2013, 08:10 PM
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Did you try to adjust the ignition timing? If a few degrees off, it changes a lot on these motors. On mine, I tried to change it so it would run with regular gas without knocking (as it should) but it didn't work well. I just run it with more advance and I use premium gas.
