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Old Jul 14, 2012 | 09:01 AM
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Unhappy 22re Finally bit the dust

Temp gauge gave me no warning and it started billowing steam and finally died as I was coming off the interstate.

Head gasket is for sure done, and there is a strong smell of fuel and a loud knocking when you turn the motor over.

Now I need to figure out what to do next.

New long block?

3.4 swap?

I need someone to do either unfortunately. Anyone want to put a 3.4 in for me?
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Old Jul 14, 2012 | 10:53 AM
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Old Jul 14, 2012 | 11:16 AM
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Old Jul 14, 2012 | 11:49 AM
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OM617 swap!
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Old Jul 14, 2012 | 12:04 PM
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When that happened to me I went with the long block with HP cam and head. Then you will need to upgrade the exhaust and intake. Couple of thousand $$ when all is done if you install the engine yourself. She is still no race car but she gets me onto the freeway fine and I get 17 to 21 mpg.
Why do you need someone else to do it for you?

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Old Jul 14, 2012 | 05:16 PM
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OM617 swap!
^or that. A 3.4 swap will be more involved considering you need to fab motor brackets & need a different transmission. The 7m & OM617 are kinda bolt on conversions.

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Why do you need someone else to do it for you?
^What he said
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Old Jul 14, 2012 | 05:36 PM
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how much money you got to have someone swap motors?
took me about 3 months to do mine.
stick, tig and mig welding. lots of fab work, reused the old motor mounts.
tons of time but i love my 3.4, glad i spent the money and time.
good luck gettin the yota back on the road.
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Old Jul 15, 2012 | 09:54 AM
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When that happened to me I went with the long block with HP cam and head. Then you will need to upgrade the exhaust and intake. Couple of thousand $$ when all is done if you install the engine yourself. She is still no race car but she gets me onto the freeway fine and I get 17 to 21 mpg.
Why do you need someone else to do it for you?
I need someone to do it because I don't have anywhere to do the work or to keep a donor vehicle, and I don't have the time, tools, or knowledge to do it myself.
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Old Jul 15, 2012 | 09:59 AM
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how much money you got to have someone swap motors?
took me about 3 months to do mine.
stick, tig and mig welding. lots of fab work, reused the old motor mounts.
tons of time but i love my 3.4, glad i spent the money and time.
good luck gettin the yota back on the road.
I don't really want to spend more than $5000 on the whole project.

What I would really like is to find someone who has a good place to work near me and would help me work on the project with them and I would pay them.
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Old Jul 16, 2012 | 06:36 PM
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Old Jul 16, 2012 | 06:45 PM
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Speaking fro experience the Om617 swap is not necessarily bolt in.It can be but no matter how bolt in something may seem there is always something that gets hay wire. The Tdswaps kit is fairly close though. I believe its about $1000 for their full kit and they have good stuff. If you are going to have someone do it, it may get spendy. If you were closer I'd be glad to help you with a swap.
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Old Jul 16, 2012 | 06:58 PM
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Originally Posted by PowerstrokeJoe
Speaking fro experience the Om617 swap is not necessarily bolt in.It can be but no matter how bolt in something may seem there is always something that gets hay wire. The Tdswaps kit is fairly close though. I believe its about $1000 for their full kit and they have good stuff.
Yep, that's what I was referring to. The adapters are all there to "bolt in." The same way you can use 5mge motor mounts to adapt the 7m to the 22r frame, a bolt on affair.
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Old Jul 17, 2012 | 08:15 PM
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So I've been reading and searching and weighing my options and I think there's 3 viable options.

One other thing... My transmission was about to go before the engine went, so in any scenario I would need to do something about the transmission as well.

1) New 22r short block from LCE, a head from ENGNBLDR and a W56 from Marlin.
I looked at LCE long blocks but it appears it will be easier to go the aforementioned route.

2) 7m of some variety swap and a W56 from marlin.
I like this idea because I will be able to bolt up the rebuilt tranny I get from marlin.

3) 3.4 swap. I think this is the more well known route with a more available motor and better aftermarket support. But it will also likely be the most expensive.
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Old Jul 17, 2012 | 11:14 PM
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Originally Posted by bob200587
So I've been reading and searching and weighing my options and I think there's 3 viable options.

One other thing... My transmission was about to go before the engine went, so in any scenario I would need to do something about the transmission as well.

1) New 22r short block from LCE, a head from ENGNBLDR and a W56 from Marlin.
I looked at LCE long blocks but it appears it will be easier to go the aforementioned route.

2) 7m of some variety swap and a W56 from marlin.
I like this idea because I will be able to bolt up the rebuilt tranny I get from marlin.

3) 3.4 swap. I think this is the more well known route with a more available motor and better aftermarket support. But it will also likely be the most expensive.

Do you mean 22re short block?
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Old Jul 18, 2012 | 08:37 AM
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Originally Posted by Buck87
Do you mean 22re short block?
Yeah.

My biggest beef with staying with the 22re is the lack of available power. I mean, you can spend a fortune and still only get 200 hp and relatively poor fuel economy.

Any way you slice it I'm going to have to wait a while to fix it. We can't afford to cut our emergency fund in half at this point.

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Old Jul 18, 2012 | 12:13 PM
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A 22re is not going to give you 200 horse power. Probably not gonna get 150 hp, but if you want to go wheeling it has plenty of power to rock crawl.
If you go with a 22re for climbing off road trails then don't waste a lot of money on horse power, spend $$ on traction and gearing. That is my philosophy.
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Old Jul 20, 2012 | 08:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Buck87
A 22re is not going to give you 200 horse power. Probably not gonna get 150 hp, but if you want to go wheeling it has plenty of power to rock crawl.
If you go with a 22re for climbing off road trails then don't waste a lot of money on horse power, spend $$ on traction and gearing. That is my philosophy.
So the claims on LCE's website are in error?

I saw the dyno results form their stage 5 motor.

A 22re has been part of my life since I was born and I know all about it and especially it's limitations.

I've got a dead motor and replacing it with the same one that gets terrible mpg for a 4cylinder and is a pig as far as power goes...

Why not have an equally reliable, more powerful, equally fuel efficient motor?
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Old Jul 20, 2012 | 10:09 PM
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So the claims on LCE's website are in error?
Probably, though I admit that I have not looked at them, 116 HP stock.
Try running two hamsters instead of one that should double your horse power.

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Old Jul 21, 2012 | 04:30 AM
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have you looked at a 3rz swap? 150 hp stock.
toy only swaps does 3rz and 5vz.
i dont know how bolt in they are. call TOS they were helpfull when i did my swap.
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Old Jul 21, 2012 | 04:41 AM
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Originally Posted by donomite49
have you looked at a 3rz swap? 150 hp stock.
toy only swaps does 3rz and 5vz.
i dont know how bolt in they are. call TOS they were helpfull when i did my swap.
I'm not really interested in swapping one 4cyl for a different 4cyl.
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