full length axles?
12-27-2009, 11:08 AM
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What are you wanting to know about full widths?
12-27-2009, 11:47 AM
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12-27-2009, 11:56 AM
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jeez 89silverpu.....generalizing a bit toooo much there..
most people don't go with full widths because of the wheeling they do, the stock toyota axle (with upgraded shafts and such) is plenty strong enough.
most people that SAS their trucks still drive them on the highway occasionally, so full widths would be too wide...there tires would be stickin past their fenders like 1ft on each side LOL
most people don't go with full widths because of the wheeling they do, the stock toyota axle (with upgraded shafts and such) is plenty strong enough.
most people that SAS their trucks still drive them on the highway occasionally, so full widths would be too wide...there tires would be stickin past their fenders like 1ft on each side LOL
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12-27-2009, 11:57 AM
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jeez 89silverpu.....generalizing a bit toooo much there..
most people don't go with full widths because of the wheeling they do, the stock toyota axle (with upgraded shafts and such) is plenty strong enough.
most people that SAS their trucks still drive them on the highway occasionally, so full widths would be too wide...there tires would be stickin past their fenders like 1ft on each side LOL
most people don't go with full widths because of the wheeling they do, the stock toyota axle (with upgraded shafts and such) is plenty strong enough.
most people that SAS their trucks still drive them on the highway occasionally, so full widths would be too wide...there tires would be stickin past their fenders like 1ft on each side LOL
12-27-2009, 12:07 PM
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Just a few pros and cons
Pro's:
-Far superior in strength than a Yota axle
-Can handle bigger tires (Yota axles can only realistically stand up to a 40" tire)
-Give a wider stance which is more stable in off camber situations
Cons:
-The extra width can make skinnier trails more difficult to squeeze through
-Way less ground clearance than Toy axles unless the axle is shaved or is on a 42"+ tire, I think the equivalence is like a 37" Toy axle is the same as a D60 on 42's (not 100% on that but you get the idea)
-Toy axles have removable thirds which make trail repairs easier.
It depends on what you want to do. Unless you want a rig with above 40" tires I'd stick with the yota axle, it wouldn't be worth it otherwise with a properly built Yota axle.
Pro's:
-Far superior in strength than a Yota axle
-Can handle bigger tires (Yota axles can only realistically stand up to a 40" tire)
-Give a wider stance which is more stable in off camber situations
Cons:
-The extra width can make skinnier trails more difficult to squeeze through
-Way less ground clearance than Toy axles unless the axle is shaved or is on a 42"+ tire, I think the equivalence is like a 37" Toy axle is the same as a D60 on 42's (not 100% on that but you get the idea)
-Toy axles have removable thirds which make trail repairs easier.
It depends on what you want to do. Unless you want a rig with above 40" tires I'd stick with the yota axle, it wouldn't be worth it otherwise with a properly built Yota axle.
12-27-2009, 12:36 PM
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Just a few pros and cons
Pro's:
-Far superior in strength than a Yota axle
Not if you add Longfields and upgrade properly
-Can handle bigger tires (Yota axles can only realistically stand up to a 40" tire)
No need for tires bigger than 37" for most Toyotas (Ftoys do great with these)
-Give a wider stance which is more stable in off camber situations
Wider is not always better depending on trail environment
Cons:
-The extra width can make skinnier trails more difficult to squeeze through
Wider it not always better depending on trail environment
-Way less ground clearance than Toy axles unless the axle is shaved or is on a 42"+ tire, I think the equivalence is like a 37" Toy axle is the same as a D60 on 42's (not 100% on that but you get the idea)
D60 strength to weight/ground clearance ratio is not worth it unless you do have huge tires, then just build a buggy
-Toy axles have removable thirds which make trail repairs easier.
Much easier to work on by yourself without needing an engine hoist to just move the damn axle
It depends on what you want to do. Unless you want a rig with above 40" tires I'd stick with the yota axle, it wouldn't be worth it otherwise with a properly built Yota axle.
Pro's:
-Far superior in strength than a Yota axle
Not if you add Longfields and upgrade properly
-Can handle bigger tires (Yota axles can only realistically stand up to a 40" tire)
No need for tires bigger than 37" for most Toyotas (Ftoys do great with these)
-Give a wider stance which is more stable in off camber situations
Wider is not always better depending on trail environment
Cons:
-The extra width can make skinnier trails more difficult to squeeze through
Wider it not always better depending on trail environment
-Way less ground clearance than Toy axles unless the axle is shaved or is on a 42"+ tire, I think the equivalence is like a 37" Toy axle is the same as a D60 on 42's (not 100% on that but you get the idea)
D60 strength to weight/ground clearance ratio is not worth it unless you do have huge tires, then just build a buggy
-Toy axles have removable thirds which make trail repairs easier.
Much easier to work on by yourself without needing an engine hoist to just move the damn axle
It depends on what you want to do. Unless you want a rig with above 40" tires I'd stick with the yota axle, it wouldn't be worth it otherwise with a properly built Yota axle.
With full widths you also must upgrade other things to handle the weight, like the engine, then the rest of the drivetrain, then everything else to accomodate the HP. It is a snowball effect.
If you want to upgrade your toyota axles look into a HD Toyota housing like a Rock Assault or a Diamond or FJ80 axles.
12-27-2009, 01:29 PM
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Dana 44 is weaker than yota axles, unless they are built.
Ground clearance was mentioned, especially with 14 bolt in rear. and D60 infront. It is the perferred setup I'm seeing now. (Don't have a table to prove this at the moment, don't have time to search right now)
With the Longfields the Toy front is as strong as a D60 with 35 splines and stronger than the D60 with 30splines. http://www.longfieldsuperaxles.com/p...etestgraph.jpg
So really unless you get a steal of a deal, its not worth it in my opinion.
Landcruiser axles have become popular too.
Ground clearance was mentioned, especially with 14 bolt in rear. and D60 infront. It is the perferred setup I'm seeing now. (Don't have a table to prove this at the moment, don't have time to search right now)
With the Longfields the Toy front is as strong as a D60 with 35 splines and stronger than the D60 with 30splines. http://www.longfieldsuperaxles.com/p...etestgraph.jpg
So really unless you get a steal of a deal, its not worth it in my opinion.
Landcruiser axles have become popular too.
12-27-2009, 02:16 PM
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Lots of little gotchas with the full width axles as well, none are insurmountable but must all be dealt with. Things like 5 or 8 bolt patterns on the wheels, then brakes (metric to SAE adapters needed), then drive shaft to differential connection, need for custom steering bits (average SAS kit won't work), spring perch spacing/centering (may need to recenter the axle or shorten a side, or relocate spring perches, etc.), gear ratio matching (if mixing Toyota and Dana axles), etc. Note, you can get custom built, wider than stock Toyota axles made from a number of suppliers.
12-27-2009, 03:19 PM
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u guys are forgetting 1 major factor, ring and pinyon on a d60 is way stronger than an 8" yota axle. ive got a set of built yota axles on my 85excab, and i kill 2 sets a yr.
im betting i dont kill any ring/pinyons on the d60/eaton 10.5 on my 86 turbo truck on 42"s
im betting i dont kill any ring/pinyons on the d60/eaton 10.5 on my 86 turbo truck on 42"s
12-27-2009, 03:23 PM
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Depends again on wheeling environment. Ftoys at WEROCK go all day long on Yota axles and 37s just fine. If you gotta have bigger tires, then you should go bigger axles, but I prefer Toyotas.
12-27-2009, 03:41 PM
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thats not true, my friend has a 4 seater f-toy and at reno rocks this yr, he blew up a brand new yukon 5.29 3rd, trail gear let him borrow thier spare, and gernaded that one too, 37" bfg crawler stickies are hard on 3rds.
12-28-2009, 04:42 PM
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A lot depends on set up. example: most say 5.70 is not for wheeling but ZUK has had success setting them up for offroading.
But if you put enough HP and torque and wheel by throttle you are going to break any axle. This is why some guys have no choose but to run Rockwells. Somehow I think a comp Ftoy is going to see a little more abuse than I'll ever do to my rig.
But if you put enough HP and torque and wheel by throttle you are going to break any axle. This is why some guys have no choose but to run Rockwells. Somehow I think a comp Ftoy is going to see a little more abuse than I'll ever do to my rig.
12-28-2009, 08:47 PM
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Agreed. Optimal tire size for Yotas is a 37" IMO.
With full widths you also must upgrade other things to handle the weight, like the engine, then the rest of the drivetrain, then everything else to accomodate the HP. It is a snowball effect.
If you want to upgrade your toyota axles look into a HD Toyota housing like a Rock Assault or a Diamond or FJ80 axles.
With full widths you also must upgrade other things to handle the weight, like the engine, then the rest of the drivetrain, then everything else to accomodate the HP. It is a snowball effect.
If you want to upgrade your toyota axles look into a HD Toyota housing like a Rock Assault or a Diamond or FJ80 axles.
