limited slip up front?
09-17-2009, 05:19 PM
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I changed front bumpers, rear axles, suspension and crossmembers too! LOL
LOL. Eh, wouldn't do that just yet....I keep throwing the idea of bumping up to 35's around, but haven't convinced myself yet!
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09-17-2009, 05:20 PM
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If you drive only on roads or 'wheel easy stuff where you aren't likely to unload or lift a tire, a LSD works fine. Unfortunately, the rest of the time, you get all the drawbacks of a locker (lack of stability on slick offcamber, etc) without many of the benefits (traction when you really need it)
I have cursed at Molly's Trutrac more than any other thing on the trail ever!
I have cursed at Molly's Trutrac more than any other thing on the trail ever!
And x2 on TC's post. I cussed my trutrac a lot. However, from the OP's description, it sounds like he'll be just fine with one in the front.
I still want the duals though...
09-17-2009, 05:25 PM
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My rear axle is shaved an inch, so I essentially have the same clearance as a non shaved axle with 35's. It slides really nicely now, but it'd be nice to get some more clearance under the front and belly too.
09-17-2009, 06:31 PM
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Yeah, same here ... every time it comes around to buy tires, I think of the 35x10.50 SSR's (or at least 255/85-16's) ... and I get another screaming deal on 33x10.50's ... oh well
09-17-2009, 07:05 PM
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One thing that really gets you with traction on the ifs is raising a tire off of the ground. With a Limited Slip, once that tire is off of the ground, kiss any traction upfront good bye.
With a locker you won't have to worry about it.
I have an arb up front right now, but switching to aussie soon.
With a locker you won't have to worry about it.
I have an arb up front right now, but switching to aussie soon.
edit: wait wait.. "arb e-locker"?!? no such critter. arb lockers are air-tube.
09-17-2009, 08:00 PM
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09-17-2009, 09:40 PM
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I wish I never bought the Tru Trac. Love the Detoit Locker though.
CV joints are most at risk at maximum turning with a locker. Same with the Birfield in the solid axles.
CV joints are most at risk at maximum turning with a locker. Same with the Birfield in the solid axles.
09-18-2009, 05:19 AM
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Though it doesn't really matter if you have a locker or not. CV style joints (birfields, CV axles, etc... are all CV) have a maximum angle at which they retain strength. Most vehicles exceed this to be able to have a decent turning radius.
09-18-2009, 06:07 AM
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Add droop into the equation, then it gets really fun
09-18-2009, 12:09 PM
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i never said because you have ARB that you,ll never break a cv. all i was asking was the experience woth them. the arb can unlock and lock. it came across to me that they were saying because of the ARB, you would break more cv's. not true. the broken cv's i've seen have also been by driver error. if i mess one up chances aee it'll be my fault. but to say because of the arb i woll break a lot of cvs just doesnt make sense.
I didn't intend to s**t on anyones parade, just my opinion, try to take everything in stride, it's just a forum.
09-18-2009, 12:27 PM
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CV's are just weak it's tested and proven, I don't need to spend $1200 on locker to prove that. I'm scared for my CV's and I don't have a locker. It just doesn't make any sense to me for the money. Usually people who buy lockers are rock crawlers or extreme trail riders who need the suspension height and the strength of a soild axle, not a 1" - 3" IFS lift. The one positive thing about the ARB which you said, is that it changes back to an open diff when your off the trails.
I didn't intend to s**t on anyones parade, just my opinion, try to take everything in stride, it's just a forum.
I didn't intend to s**t on anyones parade, just my opinion, try to take everything in stride, it's just a forum.
In my experience, the locker has prevented CV damage, not increased its likelyhood.
My recomendation to people is usually: Ask yourself what you are going to do with your truck.
If their budget and preferred method of wheeling is to run moderate to slightly difficult trails, have a road worthy DD, run up to a max of a 33 or at most a 35" tire, then modifying their IFS is a good plan, including the addition of an ARB air locker. It just makes sense for someone like that.
If they see themselves graduating into difficult to extreme trails, I recommend they don't waste any money on the IFS, and save up for an axle swap, and some beefy axle guts.
On this site, you find both kinds. Lots of people just want to drive trails, have a camping rig that can go up some rough stuff, and drive well on the street.
And my parade hasn't been soiled. I'm well aware of the limits of my IFS. Its still fun to drive, which is the only reason I still have it.
09-18-2009, 01:25 PM
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CV's are just weak it's tested and proven, I don't need to spend $1200 on locker to prove that. I'm scared for my CV's and I don't have a locker. It just doesn't make any sense to me for the money. Usually people who buy lockers are rock crawlers or extreme trail riders who need the suspension height and the strength of a soild axle, not a 1" - 3" IFS lift. The one positive thing about the ARB which you said, is that it changes back to an open diff when your off the trails.
I didn't intend to s**t on anyones parade, just my opinion, try to take everything in stride, it's just a forum.
I didn't intend to s**t on anyones parade, just my opinion, try to take everything in stride, it's just a forum.
CV's are no weaker than stock Birfs - THAT has been proven.
A front locker PREVENTS damage to the front end in more scenarios than it CAUSES damage:
- an open diff spins up the side off the ground to 2X the ring gear speed. When the wheel comes back down, there is a tremendous shock load to the system from the violent deceleration. This has claimed MANY CV's and spider gears. Here's the thing though - this situation is largely unavoidable! If you want to keep moving in an open-open truck, you have to be on the throttle in these situations, and it's often hard to tell exactly when a wheel is going to unweight.
- a locker keeps the wheel spinning at the same speed whether it's on the ground or not, which eliminates this impact load.
- A locker minimizes the need to be on the throttle so heavy in the first place, which minimizes stress on all parts of the vehicle.
- A locker will increase the potential for damage in only ONE scenario - a wedged wheel. But here's the thing - if the wheel is wedged that hard, you ain't making that line anyways, and need to back off and try again! This scenario is TOTALLY preventable by line selection.
I can tell you that my desire to avoid body/glass damage is what keeps me off the absolute hardest trails in colorado - not the capability of the rig. In just about every case, the driver is more a liability than the front suspension/axle.
There seems to be a common e-thought that you need a SFA to 'wheel, and that is ABSOLUTELY not true.
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