Tenkom

I was just curious if anyone has any info they would like to share regarding these two winches, i am going to mount one in my runner in a ARB Bull Bar and wondering what the major differences are between the two except the obvious weight factor.

Any thoughts about using a synthetic cable like the ones made by Master-Pull? I was going to update the winch with that as well.

Anyone with any winch knowledge out there???

thanks
ken

doink

i have the xd9000 winch. its been a life saver thus far and as performed flawlessly. also, the synthetic cable is a pretty good choice as well. i have yet to get it, but thats next on my list. it floats in water, doesnt fray, and is a lot safer in the even that the cable snaps. it would be a solid investment if you got this combo.

cheers

Tenkom

Do you know what the differences are going from the M series to the Xd like you have?
thanks

doink

as a matter of fact..i sure dont. haha, sorry man. hopefully someone else will though!

Flygtenstein

IIRC, those winches are practically identical save the pull rating.

You only get a difference when you cross over to the HS series winches which have a faster line speed. Hopefully I can tell you more after Christmas...

Mad Chemist

Just an FYI, I just picked up an M8000 from 4wheelparts, free shipping, for 500 bucks, including Hawse fairlead. I just mounted it in my TJM bumper, but have not had a chance to use the winch yet.

WileEToyote

If you can afford UHMWPE rope get it. It's infinitely safer than cable also lighter, floats and doesn't bind. About the only drawback is that it's subject to UV deterioration which cable isn't - not at any lightning fast rate, it's just a curse of plastics. With all the other pros going for it, it's worth every penny.

anthony1

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One thing I've heard about those synthetic rope is that the heat from the winch motor can melt the rope. Dunno if that's a real problem or not....

WileEToyote

Whoever you heard it from mustn't have been winching properly. The motor should never be allowed to get that hot. Once it starts to approach "hot to touch" it's time for a breather for the winch (and yourself).

transalper

I don't know much about the Warn winches (I like my superwinch), but I had to say Hi to a fellow St. Paul resident.

So when are you getting your ARB? Holler if you want any help with the install.

alanh

The Off Road Only X-Line is supposed to take the heat better than the others and retain its strength. (I don't know, thats just what they say.)

Somewhere I seem to recall reading that the heat buildup of the drum on Warn, and I assume other electrics, is supposed to happen only when powering out. Something about having to overcome the brake. I haven't looked that close at what literature I have to see if there is enough info there to see if that makes sense. It could be, if the brake is like a car drum brake which tends to grip more in one direction - right? Maybe someone can confirm this is what really happens. I guess if you avoid that, the heat business may not be an issue then.

Kind of off-topic, but Off Road Only has their DOT approved beadlock wheels ready for pre-order now. They've got some pretty neat features besides the highway approved beadlocks for future additions like auto inflation or monitoring systems. Trouble is, at $495 each, its a bit more than I want to spend.

Alan

jx94148

The XD series winches have the solenoids right above the cable. I may be wrong but I think this means they can't be fit into ARBs and TJM type enclosed box type bumpers. You need room above the cable drum to make these work.

M series winches have the solenoids in a box that you can mount almost anywhere.

Corey

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XD is the same config as the M series, with the seperate box like mine above the bumper.

It's the i series that will not fit an ARB or TJM, as the i series means the solenoid is built into the winch and non removable.

XD 9000


M8000


and the XD9000i


Here's some good reading on synthetic line.
http://www.outdoorwire.com/4x4/reviews/masterpull/

http://www.4wdandsportutility.com/te...94wd_stronger/

I have the Masterpull, it's good stuff.

Mad Chemist

Ditto what Corey said, the "i" stands for integrated selenoid.

4Crawler

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Its not the heat of the motor, rather the heat of the brake inside the winch drum that can cause the problem. Mainly an issue if you power out a lot.

Another difference between the 8000 and 9000 lb. winches is the current draw. For any given weight pull, the larger winch will pull less current than the smaller one:

Winch Current Draw

Also, if using the UHMW-PE winch rope, be sure its not exposed to sun light. It is UV sensitive. I made a hinged cover over the top of my XD9000 spool.

Corey

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Any pics Roger?
My rigs sits out all year, and the top of the rope is exposed some.
Is that enough to worry about?

4Crawler

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Corey

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Thanks.
I see yours is more exposed than mine with your solenoid off to to the right side.

FirstToy

Hey guys in the article links they say the ropes are UV-resistant so that should ease your minds.

How much do the winches weigh? Do they drop your front end and change the handling or is it not too bad? I read the rope takes away about 23 pounds, which is alot.

4Crawler

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My rope was starting to discolor a bit before I put on the cover, it had been exposed to sunlight pretty directly for several months. UHMW is a little UV sensitive. I use it on my body lift blocks and have had a sample piece out in the sun for about 1.5 years now, so far its not been affected.

I found my 125' steel cable (from my old XD9000i) was ~25 lbs. the 90' UHMW replacement (for the XD9000) was maybe 5 lbs. plus I have an extra 50' extension that's maybe 3 lbs. Check the winch mfg. pages for weights, usually 100 lbs. more or less.