Is it necessary to lower diff gears with a Crawler?
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Originally posted by Joe
Ya, you're probably right Steve. When the time comes this winter to install the box, I'll probably hesitate and stumble around and go the 4.7 route. I stopped at Marlin’s last Monday and found him to be up to his eyeballs in work. He still recalls you very fondly with your camera and questions. He told me the 2.8 with my setup and the V8 would be very sufficient but I could go the 4.7 if I wanted. If I do opt for the big dog setup I think I’ll put bolts through my motor mounts or sure as hell I’ll twist them off.
Ya, you're probably right Steve. When the time comes this winter to install the box, I'll probably hesitate and stumble around and go the 4.7 route. I stopped at Marlin’s last Monday and found him to be up to his eyeballs in work. He still recalls you very fondly with your camera and questions. He told me the 2.8 with my setup and the V8 would be very sufficient but I could go the 4.7 if I wanted. If I do opt for the big dog setup I think I’ll put bolts through my motor mounts or sure as hell I’ll twist them off.
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Originally posted by 44Runner
I would definately not shell out the bucks for 4.7s unless you actually do need them.
I would definately not shell out the bucks for 4.7s unless you actually do need them.
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Originally posted by sschaefer3
Joe does, he's been to Arizona and wheeled with us. Imagine a 65 year old guy with no fear and a huge truck.
Joe does, he's been to Arizona and wheeled with us. Imagine a 65 year old guy with no fear and a huge truck.
I was just saying that an actual gearing of something like 100:1 with an auto is MORE than enough...
EDIT: Let me see if I can get some numbers we can crunch for the Tundra and see what we are working with.
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Alright, got some actual specs for the V8 tundra.
First gear = 2.804
t-case = 2.566
diffs = 3.909
That makes stock crawl ratio given 2 for the torque converter:
2.804 x 2.566 x 3.909 x 2 = 56.251010352
Now add in a crawler with stock 2.28 gears and you get:
2.804 x 2.28 x 2.566 x 3.909 x 2 = 128.25230360256
That is a very respectable crawl ratio, no doubt.
Now lets take a look at it with 4.7s:
2.804 x 4.7 x 2.566 x 3.909 x 2 = 264.3797486544
That is just to let you know what you are working with Joe. It is up to you to figure out what suits your wheeling needs best. I suggest you try to see if you can ride along with some people that actually have crawl ratios in this range with automatic trannies and see what you dig. Maybe I am over thinking the whole thing but 500 bucks is a big sum of money to this poor college student
First gear = 2.804
t-case = 2.566
diffs = 3.909
That makes stock crawl ratio given 2 for the torque converter:
2.804 x 2.566 x 3.909 x 2 = 56.251010352
Now add in a crawler with stock 2.28 gears and you get:
2.804 x 2.28 x 2.566 x 3.909 x 2 = 128.25230360256
That is a very respectable crawl ratio, no doubt.
Now lets take a look at it with 4.7s:
2.804 x 4.7 x 2.566 x 3.909 x 2 = 264.3797486544
That is just to let you know what you are working with Joe. It is up to you to figure out what suits your wheeling needs best. I suggest you try to see if you can ride along with some people that actually have crawl ratios in this range with automatic trannies and see what you dig. Maybe I am over thinking the whole thing but 500 bucks is a big sum of money to this poor college student
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Originally posted by data
Steve if you don't mind me asking, how much was the install for your crawler box?
Steve if you don't mind me asking, how much was the install for your crawler box?
That's quite a bit of stuff for the price.
Marlin did buy me dinner one night though.
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Originally posted by Flygtenstein
There are two 2nd Gen guys with ulimates and auto's, it gets near the limits of using the brakes to stop.
Joe with a V-8 and ultimate would be awesome.
There are two 2nd Gen guys with ulimates and auto's, it gets near the limits of using the brakes to stop.
Joe with a V-8 and ultimate would be awesome.
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I know all of you guys know how to calculate this but I thought I would share a cool little find. Ratio Chart
Scroll to the bottom of the page.
Scroll to the bottom of the page.
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Originally posted by Albuquerque Jim
I know all of you guys know how to calculate this but I thought I would share a cool little find. Ratio Chart
Scroll to the bottom of the page.
I know all of you guys know how to calculate this but I thought I would share a cool little find. Ratio Chart
Scroll to the bottom of the page.
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His son is in the process of re-doing Marlins site and this stuff is really deeply burried in the "old" site. Impossible to find on the new site.
http://www.marlincrawler.com/java/ratiotable.html
http://www.marlincrawler.com/java/transratio.html
http://www.marlincrawler.com/java/getratio.html
http://www.marlincrawler.com/java/getratio_calc.html
http://www.marlincrawler.com/java/getspd_calc.html
http://www.marlincrawler.com/java/ultimate.html
http://www.marlincrawler.com/java/ratiotable.html
http://www.marlincrawler.com/java/transratio.html
http://www.marlincrawler.com/java/getratio.html
http://www.marlincrawler.com/java/getratio_calc.html
http://www.marlincrawler.com/java/getspd_calc.html
http://www.marlincrawler.com/java/ultimate.html
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Originally posted by sschaefer3
Joe does, he's been to Arizona and wheeled with us. Imagine a 65 year old guy with no fear and a huge truck.
Joe does, he's been to Arizona and wheeled with us. Imagine a 65 year old guy with no fear and a huge truck.
I'll be in Moab the last week in September - hopefully the truck will be done then - and I'll run the Rubicon the first week in October. Anyone interested in joining this "old fart" on either of these trails?
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